This is a discussion on Future MBT "How would it look like" within the Army & Security Forces forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by Waylander
Ah, ok.
Sometimes the non-antive speaker in me keeps me from getting it.
I always wondered ...
Ah, ok.
Sometimes the non-antive speaker in me keeps me from getting it.
I always wondered how and if the Russian/Sovjet Army actually trained to use the tube launched ATGMs.
As you said they are rather expensive and infantry and missile carriers in most armies don't get to shoot alot of ATGMs either.
With the lower amount of normal 120mm live rounds fired by the russians I wonder if there are many gunners in the russian army who have ever shot one.
Maybe back in the old Cold War days some of the premier Russian tank battalion crews got to fire maybe one a year, now I would think they are hard pressed even to shoot one. More than likely practice is conducted by gunnery simulators and a live one gets tossed for demonstration purposes.
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I doubt that all current active tanks carry them, they are rather expensive. But this may change with the newer force structure.
The newer force structure is already in place. In fact given the overall reduction in armored units, there should easily be enough inventory to get around. I was wondering if you knew more specifically what the plans for the matter were?
I think they will be happy to be able to distribute the normal 5 missiles to every tank and that's it.
Even if they now have "too many" missiles I doubt that they add additional missiles to their basic loads.
As said before there are not that many situations where a tube launched missile is more usefull than a normal KE, HEAT or HE.
I think they will be happy to be able to distribute the normal 5 missiles to every tank and that's it.
Even if they now have "too many" missiles I doubt that they add additional missiles to their basic loads.
As said before there are not that many situations where a tube launched missile is more usefull than a normal KE, HEAT or HE.
There are certainly some uses, but as always things are in flux. Launching the missile through the tubes seems to be the most sensible idea to deploy guided ammunition from tanks.
Besides other aspects I'm pretty sure that AFV will increasingly outfitted with multiple, interwoven defensive layers. Besides the layers of the passive armour active protection systems with different properties could become key elements of the survivability part of the equation. Even two different types of hard kill systems might be combined like something on the lines of an AMAP-ADS and a Trophy.
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I think they will be happy to be able to distribute the normal 5 missiles to every tank and that's it.
Even if they now have "too many" missiles I doubt that they add additional missiles to their basic loads.
As said before there are not that many situations where a tube launched missile is more usefull than a normal KE, HEAT or HE.
What I mean is that now that there are enough missiles to equip all tank units with them, will this be done? I haven't heard anything on the subject. I agree that the load will not be significantly increased.
The newer force structure is already in place. In fact given the overall reduction in armored units, there should easily be enough inventory to get around. I was wondering if you knew more specifically what the plans for the matter were?
Are they completely done with the force structure, right now I hear it is still under debate.
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I think they will be happy to be able to distribute the normal 5 missiles to every tank and that's it.
Even if they now have "too many" missiles I doubt that they add additional missiles to their basic loads.
As said before there are not that many situations where a tube launched missile is more usefull than a normal KE, HEAT or HE.
Agreed, direct fire projectiles are also alot quicker getting to a designated target, no need to track them on target.
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Ah ok, I missunderstood you.
I expect that the remaining tank line units get the missile stocks if some bureaucracy blunder doesn't interfere with it.
It's not as one could use them for anything else.
Granted we're talking about Russia I see those blunders as more then likely, hence I was wondering if you had heard anything specific. I mean, hell, for ~6-7 years the 42nd MRD (a 100% contract soldiers unit, no conscripts) rode on T-62s, while shiny new T-72Bs and T-80UMs and BVs sat in warehouses to be activated with reserve units if WWIII broke out. It took a war in Georgia to see the new MRBs formed from the 42nd MRD to scrap their T-62s.
