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sgtgunn February 9th, 2012 03:33 PM

Australian Defense Forces Recruiting Foreign Military Personnel
 
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I stumbled across this today, and I thought it was pretty interesting! Does anyone know of any other countries that are actively recruiting foreign experienced military personnel?

The US military will accept people with prior foreign military service, but they have to all ready be US Citizens or Permanent Legal Residents and they get no speccial consideration for (or recognition of) of thier service. I work with a gentleman who retired from the Irish Army Rangers as a senior NCO, and when he joined the US Army National Guard he had to come in a Private and go through US Army BCT (he's a Staff Sergeant now).

Does anyone know how the ADF system is going to work? They say they are specifically looking for experienced NCOs and Officers - will they keep their prior service's Rank, etc?

I was suprised at how well ADF personnel are paid - they must be near the high end of the military pay scale. An ADF Private makes 41,658 AUD a year, which comes out to 44,311 USD. That's equivilent to the pay of a US Army SFC/E-7 with 10+ years in service OR a 1st LT! A US Army Private (E-2) has a base salary of 20,052 USD per year in comparison!!!

Adrian

Raven22 February 9th, 2012 04:56 PM

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Does anyone know how the ADF system is going to work? They say they are specifically looking for experienced NCOs and Officers - will they keep their prior service's Rank, etc?
There's nothing new with the ADF recruiting lateral transfers - its been going on as long as Australia's had a military. Originally all Commonwealth militaries where all essentially the same anyway, the only difference lately is that laterals from non-Commonwealth countries (ie, the US) might get accepted. They actually stopped lateral transfers for a year or two because recruiting and retention was so high (and some of the laterals were useless), so this is just announcing a recommencement.

Every recruit is different, but prior service is recognised, but usually a transfer will involve a reduction in rank - ie, a WO2 from the British Army might be recruited and given a job as a SGT. The deal involves a minimum period of service (4-6 years usually) and the accepting of Australian citizenship.

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I was suprised at how well ADF personnel are paid - they must be near the high end of the military pay scale. An ADF Private makes 41,658 AUD a year, which comes out to 44,311 USD. That's equivilent to the pay of a US Army SFC/E-7 with 10+ years in service OR a 1st LT! A US Army Private (E-2) has a base salary of 20,052 USD per year in comparison!!!
You've got to include service allowance ($12 128 pa) before you get the real base pay rate. The minimum a brand new private will receive is $56 065 pa. It is a pretty good wage, yet diggers still always whinge about how little they get paid.

Marc 1 February 9th, 2012 11:53 PM

Then again Adrian, many things cost a stack more here in Australia - Real estate (and not just because your prices have nose dived post GFC), vehicles etc. A Honda CRV EX (4wd) in the US for example costs $23,545. An equivalent vehicle here costs $30,390. Google the Big Mac Index and you'll get an idea of the difference.

Abraham Gubler February 10th, 2012 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc 1 (Post 238863)
Then again Adrian, many things cost a stack more here in Australia - Real estate (and not just because your prices have nose dived post GFC), vehicles etc. A Honda CRV EX (4wd) in the US for example costs $23,545. An equivalent vehicle here costs $30,390. Google the Big Mac Index and you'll get an idea of the difference.

But other things are a lot cheaper, like Health Care and university education. These are big ticket items in the USA but much cheaper here because they are Govt. funded.

lopez February 10th, 2012 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Raven22 (Post 238828)


You've got to include service allowance ($12 128 pa) before you get the real base pay rate. The minimum a brand new private will receive is $56 065 pa. It is a pretty good wage, yet diggers still always whinge about how little they get paid.

There are also all kinds of different allowance packed on the top of that too... Field pay and the like. Your pay shoots off through the roof while deployed

check out the pay scales http://content.defencejobs.gov.au/pd...t_PayRates.pdf.

lopez February 10th, 2012 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Abraham Gubler (Post 238864)
But other things are a lot cheaper, like Health Care and university education. These are big ticket items in the USA but much cheaper here because they are Govt. funded.

If you are in the ADF they wont cost you much at all... They are fully paid for aren't they?

eranova May 16th, 2012 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven22 (Post 238828)
There's nothing new with the ADF recruiting lateral transfers - its been going on as long as Australia's had a military. Originally all Commonwealth militaries where all essentially the same anyway, the only difference lately is that laterals from non-Commonwealth countries (ie, the US) might get accepted. They actually stopped lateral transfers for a year or two because recruiting and retention was so high (and some of the laterals were useless), so this is just announcing a recommencement.

Every recruit is different, but prior service is recognised, but usually a transfer will involve a reduction in rank - ie, a WO2 from the British Army might be recruited and given a job as a SGT. The deal involves a minimum period of service (4-6 years usually) and the accepting of Australian citizenship.




You've got to include service allowance ($12 128 pa) before you get the real base pay rate. The minimum a brand new private will receive is $56 065 pa. It is a pretty good wage, yet diggers still always whinge about how little they get paid.


If i come to Australia on a tourist visa. Would I still be able to join the Australian military?

robsta83 May 16th, 2012 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by eranova (Post 245308)
If i come to Australia on a tourist visa. Would I still be able to join the Australian military?

No.

To apply you need the right to reside in Australia.

eranova May 16th, 2012 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by robsta83 (Post 245311)
No.

To apply you need the right to reside in Australia.


But lets say I am from a foreign country and my only intent to go to Australia is to join their military. That being said I am not a permanent resident of Australia yet because I will not get a permanent residency unless I have a job or something like that. I wont be able to join their military in that case?

Vanguard May 17th, 2012 02:42 AM

If you are a serving member of a Commonwealth or probably even NATO military who meets the basic requirements for this program and has a genuine interest you could probably call up recruitment and organise some sort of visit whilst on holiday, say if you were going to bring your family out to see if they like the country. If you are of a desired skill and gave them reasonable advanced warning they would probably arrange someone to show you around and so forth to try and get your pen on the paper.

In terms of actual enlistment though that would be near impossible, I am also fairly confident that you cannot upgrade your Holiday Visa to Permanent residency without leaving the country people have had to hop over to Bali and come straight back just for that reason.

baknedicem May 21st, 2012 01:16 PM

I am working for Turkish Air Force. (which is an active Nato member) I am holding a masters degree in computer engineering. Studied in the states. I have a work experience of 7 years in the air force. I am holding a Turkish passport. What procedures should i follow to apply for ADF as a software engineer. Should i have to be a citizen or hold a living permit? Might be explained above but i didn't get it thoroughly. I guess i cannot apply online. Works if i drop by the Australian Embassy?

I also have some 60 hours of flying with the military training planes. Worth anything if i present them?

Thanks.

Abraham Gubler May 21st, 2012 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by baknedicem (Post 245643)
I guess i cannot apply online. Works if i drop by the Australian Embassy.

No you can express interest online. Only later would you be required to apply in person and also undergo security vetting.

The Air Force at the moment is only interested in overseas recruitment of fighter pilots and test pilots. The Navy is also interested in a limited sub set of experiences, mostly submarines, amphibious and AEGIS system personnel.

But the Army is looking for software engineers.

Check out:

Recruitment Centre | Defence Jobs

mum May 21st, 2012 09:39 PM

joining the air force
 
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Originally Posted by Marc 1 (Post 238863)
Then again Adrian, many things cost a stack more here in Australia - Real estate (and not just because your prices have nose dived post GFC), vehicles etc. A Honda CRV EX (4wd) in the US for example costs $23,545. An equivalent vehicle here costs $30,390. Google the Big Mac Index and you'll get an idea of the difference.

Hi there,
I am 18 and wanting to become an Air Combat officer in the RAAF. It would be direct entry from High School. How likely is it that they accept an 18yo as an officer?

Equinox May 21st, 2012 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mum (Post 245670)
Hi there,
I am 18 and wanting to become an Air Combat officer in the RAAF. It would be direct entry from High School. How likely is it that they accept an 18yo as an officer?

They'd most likely recommend you go/apply to ADFA. They get iffy about younger people going direct-entry officer straight out of high school, due to a lack of life experience. Well, at least that is for the Army, might be different for the Air Force.

Either way, go through the application process and they'll help you out and let you know if your age for direct-entry is going to be a sticking point. But going through ADFA would probably be best anyway, because you are going to need to get a degree at some stage anyway for career advancement.

Marc 1 May 22nd, 2012 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mum (Post 245670)
Hi there,
I am 18 and wanting to become an Air Combat officer in the RAAF. It would be direct entry from High School. How likely is it that they accept an 18yo as an officer?

Have a bit of a sqiz here tiger: Entry | Air Combat Officer | Defence Jobs


I wasn't a powder blue so don't quote me on this but Direct entry officers were normally related to positions that required significant outside training such as medical officers, nurses, psyches, dentists and some pilot streams.

I went through Duntroon as an 18 year old when I arrived, then graduated a month after my 20th Birthday 18 months later as an officer. That's the conventional way in without a degree (you can pick up the degree later) or, and probably smarter - do the ADFA thing, be paid to be a student, gain a little extra maturity (not having a shot at you but I was nearly a teenager leading a platoon) and graduate with your degree too.


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