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Every weapon in production today has not had its operating system fundamentally changed, the systems have only had it updated for modern times, even systems such as the TDI Kriss super V uses the same firing mechanism as every other weapon, just with an ingenious recoil mitagation system. No-one can truly say that any weapon has an advantage over any other weapon as they are all variations of the same design.
The new Steyr from Steyr (The A3) Is possibly the best looking and most multirole weapon I have seen in a long time have a look at these pics.
No-one can truly say that any weapon has an advantage over any other weapon as they are all variations of the same design.
I don't agree with that. The L85A1 was a noticeably inferior weapon to the AR-18 despite using the same action. The FN-FAL is better than the G3. There are LOTS of examples of some weapons having advantages over others.
Just about every method of operating a firearm has been tried. The reason that virtually every weapon today has a gas piston system is that this system has proven to be superior to the others.
Well just redesign it to withstand the stress of the rifle round.
Regarding weapon actions, Maybe manufacture somthing well tried & reliable like the Bren/M1918 BAR/FM-24 Chatellerault/FG42 but scaled down as a 5.56 assault rifle.
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Well just redesign it to withstand the stress of the rifle round.
In other words, start again almost from scratch and end up with a weapon based on an operating system that nobody wants to use any more.
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Regarding weapon actions, Maybe manufacture somthing well tried & reliable like the Bren/M1918 BAR/FM-24 Chatellerault/FG42 but scaled down as a 5.56 assault rifle.
Don't be absurd. Apart from the FG42 (used in only one limited production and obsolete weapon) these are all very old MACHINE GUN actions; why would you want to use them for a rifle? They all fire from an open bolt. In case you weren't aware, rifles are supposed to be ACCURATE.
Some well-tried and reliable rifle actions:
FN-FAL, AR-18, G36, AK, FNC, M14.
Put these together with promising new designs like the HK416/417 and FN SCAR, and there is clearly no shortage of decent rifle designs. Why create a pointless fuckup like a 5.65mm Calico - which would just be an inferior rip-off of the HK33 - or something designed around a completely unsuitable MG action?
Thats why i said the IMBEL 97 last time on the other site as its a 5.56 FAL.
Great. A full-size rifle firing 5.56mm. What a waste of time.
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Suppose one of those rifles mentioned but in a modern round.
That would apply to the AR-18, G36 and FNC. The others already fire a satisfactory round.
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Or somthing different like the FARA 83, LAPA FA-03.
A mediocre Argentinian design and a failed Brazilian one, neither of which was ever adopted in large numbers and both of which are now out of production? No thanks.
The British .19 calibre(4.85mm) that was used in the XL64 rifle was rumoured to have better ballistics and range than the 5.56 NATO
The current issue a lot of troops have is that the 5.56mm fires too light a bullet and lacks stopping power. Why on Earth would you want to fire an EVEN SMALLER bullet out of exactly the same cartridge case? This would just worsen the problem.
Batches of the FARA 83 are still used by the Argentine forces, Alongside the FA-03 is in use by the BOPE but still scarce.
The SIG 540/542/550 are supposed to be reliable, and very much like the FNC but i believe alot cheaper and simpler. SuperSLime, have you ever used any of these rifles?, If so what are they like?
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Batches of the FARA 83 are still used by the Argentine forces, Alongside the FA-03 is in use by the BOPE but still scarce.
The SIG 540/542/550 are supposed to be reliable, and very much like the FNC but i believe alot cheaper and simpler. SuperSLime, have you ever used any of these rifles?, If so what are they like?
Only 1200 FARA 83s were made. The FA-03 is MUCH scarcer. Neither of them is a particularly special design, and certainly nowhere near modern European rifles.
The newer SIG rifles are generally similar to the FNC, but only in the sense that most modern assault rifles are (gas operated, rotary bolt). I've never fired one, but I have used SIG pistols and found them very reliable. However, being Swiss, one thing they have NEVER been accused of is being cheap.
But i did hear about SIG wanting to manufacture cheaper rifles after the reliable but heavy SIG 510 "standard issue light machine gun" of a battle rifle.
And about me mentioning the M1918 BAR/FM24 action for a 5.56 rifle, I meant if it used the same gas operation but instead fired from a closed bolt. It may be a machine gun action but may still work.
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But i did hear about SIG wanting to manufacture cheaper rifles after the reliable but heavy SIG 510 "standard issue light machine gun" of a battle rifle.
Cheaper than the SIG 510 does not mean "cheap." My BMW was cheaper than a Ferrari would have been, but it still cost a whole pile of money.
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And about me mentioning the M1918 BAR/FM24 action for a 5.56 rifle, I meant if it used the same gas operation but instead fired from a closed bolt. It may be a machine gun action but may still work.
If it fired from a closed bolt it wouldn't be the same action. LOTS of weapons use the same gas mechanism as the BAR, in the sense that they have a tube with a piston in it.
You really need to stop digging up obscure weapons and suggesting them as possible modern service rifles. You'll just get laughed at. For example, there IS a reason why nobody has adopted the Interdynamics MKS, and it's not because the world's procurement agencies are less knowledgeable than you; it's because it was a useless piece of shit.
we should get that dragonskin body armour the americans are testing atm. as seen on future weapons! look it up on youtube! pretty impressive stuff but looks like it may restrict movement a little?? however saves your ass from a 7.62 whereas standard body armour these days wont protect you very well
I was thinking that Turkey might have got this then they got the MKE Mehmetcik 1( HK 416) instead. Turkish special forces used them so they might have already known how they work like in the field.
They also had there own Bullpup rifle design made by Kalipkale which got stopped I think was a very stupid decision.
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