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Anyone know of any exercises around SEQ at the moment involving the Tiger's ? Saw one today buzzing Byron Bay, was pretty low too
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That was probably the same Tiger that did 4-5 low circles (<500 feet) over the top of Burleigh Heads today at 1130. I enjoyed it, I'm sure the aircrew enjoyed it. I don't know if it served any training purpose but.
That was probably the same Tiger that did 4-5 low circles (<500 feet) over the top of Burleigh Heads today at 1130. I enjoyed it, I'm sure the aircrew enjoyed it. I don't know if it served any training purpose but.
Yep, was good to see, probably did not serve a purpose, but he had several thousand people stopped in their tracks in Byron when he came through
It was nice to see something other than the SH's down at Evans Head, or the C-17's around Ballina Airport
Apologies for the off-topic question. Back in the early or mid-1990's a small convoy of lorries carrying members of the Butterworth Rifle Company were involved in a collision with a civllian vehicle, in Malaysia, and at least a couple of Australians were killed.
Does anyone recall the exact year this accident took place, thank you.
Apologies for the off-topic question. Back in the early or mid-1990's a small convoy of lorries carrying members of the Butterworth Rifle Company were involved in a collision with a civllian vehicle, in Malaysia, and at least a couple of Australians were killed.
Does anyone recall the exact year this accident took place, thank you.
Sadly i think that involved one of the NCO's I worked with at 6RAR - Cpl Mal Rutherford. Top bloke and an excellent JNCO. We left our Butterworth rotation when I was at 6 in Jan '90 iirc. We had 2 of the Hino 4x4 trucks used as troop carriers go into ditches evading the dodgy malay drivers thankfully with no injuries or significant damage in the 3 months we were there. It would have occurred the next time 6RAR did the Butterworth rotation I'd guess 91-92? Can't find dates - anyone got better google-fu?
We (3RAR) relieved 6RAR in 92, there was no talk at all of that incident, don't think it was that year.
Saw a couple of bad road accidents though, one near Ipoh that I remember in great detail, very sad.
I hate those Hino trucks.
We (3RAR) relieved 6RAR in 92, there was no talk at all of that incident, don't think it was that year.
Saw a couple of bad road accidents though, one near Ipoh that I remember in great detail, very sad.
I hate those Hino trucks.
I was in Malaysia 1985.
I hated driving the road to Johore. The tuk-tuk drivers used to try and overtake logging trucks going up the hills
They were mad.....
you'd see an accident every trip and usually all within 3km of each other
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Saw a couple of bad road accidents though, one near Ipoh that I remember in great detail, very sad.
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Originally Posted by gf0012-aust
They were mad.....
you'd see an accident every trip and usually all within 3km of each other
Unfortunately, Malaysian driving skills - in general - over the years have not improved and in fact have gotten worse. Many drivers lack even basic driving skills and seem totally oblivous to the fact that there are others on the road. The only other place I've seen with equally bad and mad drivers was Greece but then at least the ones I saw actually knew how to drive ....
Another question, and sorry to interrupt the current chat.
On defencejobs I've been looking into the 'Fire Fighter/Emergency Responder', I also see the RAAF have a similar position. In regards to the Army, is anyone able to provide more insight or know anybody who is/or has been in this role?
Another question, and sorry to interrupt the current chat.
On defencejobs I've been looking into the 'Fire Fighter/Emergency Responder', I also see the RAAF have a similar position. In regards to the Army, is anyone able to provide more insight or know anybody who is/or has been in this role?
Army Aviation elements use soldiers from the Incident Response Regiment (although their location may have changed as of Dec 12) when scrub. All RAE badged.
On barracks it's usually 000 or RAAF support depending where the unit is (do RAAF support 7 RAR if needed?).
Most large Army bases have Army firefighters. Don't know what unit they belong to but they're all RAE. From what I understand its the most boring job in the Army. Nothing ever happens.
Historically the need for Army fire-fighters came from the establishment of a stand-alone Army aviation capability. So air force things needed to be replicated like airfield crash response and police with dog patrols. But of course air traffic control being an officer billet the RAAF kept that! In order to make the capability sustainable it was expanded to squadron sized and given the job of nuclear, chemical and biological cleanup. Which apparently happens less often than Army aircraft crashing at Oakey. They could deploy to training areas in support of live fires and put out secondary bushfires and be useful but nooooo…. Since the IRR has focused on the war role of providing CIED capability to SOF apparently they’ve been kicked out of this regiment as it became the SOER. Who knows where they are now?
Not really sure on what section to put this, Army or Airforce.
I was reading elsewhere that AAAvn is have a hard time with pilot numbers with experience members are separating in numbers which is having an impact on platform availability (no direct source on this)
It was brought up (elsewhere) that Army Aviation should revert back to the RAAF control where in times gone buy that they would have dual qualified personnel able to make up numbers, which they can cover in times of a shortfall till more suitable qualified members up to speed., the logic sounded fine to me but having no experience in this area was not sure of the case.
It was also stated by freeing Army from its obligations from Aviation it can concentrate on more pressing issues like SPG, but the way I see it no matter who controls the assets the funding will follow. We are seeing a more Joint force (purple force) with the LHD with personnel from all three services on board is it time to hand back the helicopters from Army and if that’s the case should the RAN follow suit?
Some are suggesting because of our size and limitations, that the ADF cannot and should not have 3 separate Airforce, should the RAAF do what it does best and control aviation assets, after all the primary job of the Airforce is to support the Army/Navy winning the land/sea battle weather it’s by helicopter or fast jet. But on the other hand helicopters are a fundamental part of Army Orbat for Air Assault and land maneuver, should it be Army supporting Army or Airforce supporting Army/Navy?
Not really sure on what section to put this, Army or Airforce.
I was reading elsewhere that AAAvn is have a hard time with pilot numbers with experience members are separating in numbers which is having an impact on platform availability (no direct source on this)
It was brought up (elsewhere) that Army Aviation should revert back to the RAAF control where in times gone buy that they would have dual qualified personnel able to make up numbers, which they can cover in times of a shortfall till more suitable qualified members up to speed., the logic sounded fine to me but having no experience in this area was not sure of the case.
It was also stated by freeing Army from its obligations from Aviation it can concentrate on more pressing issues like SPG, but the way I see it no matter who controls the assets the funding will follow. We are seeing a more Joint force (purple force) with the LHD with personnel from all three services on board is it time to hand back the helicopters from Army and if that’s the case should the RAN follow suit?
Some are suggesting because of our size and limitations, that the ADF cannot and should not have 3 separate Airforce, should the RAAF do what it does best and control aviation assets, after all the primary job of the Airforce is to support the Army/Navy winning the land/sea battle weather it’s by helicopter or fast jet. But on the other hand helicopters are a fundamental part of Army Orbat for Air Assault and land maneuver, should it be Army supporting Army or Airforce supporting Army/Navy?
At the moment Army has no real problem with pilot numbers - there are currently more pilots than airframes to fly. Which is really more of an indictment on platform choice than any real success in generating pilots. Recruitment for pilots has actually been slown down.
