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The ARES has two special categories: the high readiness reserve (HRR) and the reserve response force (RRF). Each ARES brigade (x 6) maintains a combat team (reinforced infantry company with engineer section, artillery observer team and medical party) of HRR soldiers. Each unit within the brigade is tasked to provide a certain element of the HRR CT, like an infantry battalion has to man an infantry platoon and so on. They are required to be trained to an ARA level, do additional annual training and commit to being available for mobilisation to conduct a deployment. They get a cash bonus for completing a tour of HRR service. The RRF is a training course in the terrorist attack security and stuff and simply qualifies soldiers for use in a crisis.
The ARES has two special categories: the high readiness reserve (HRR) and the reserve response force (RRF). Each ARES brigade (x 6) maintains a combat team (reinforced infantry company with engineer section, artillery observer team and medical party) of HRR soldiers. Each unit within the brigade is tasked to provide a certain element of the HRR CT, like an infantry battalion has to man an infantry platoon and so on. They are required to be trained to an ARA level, do additional annual training and commit to being available for mobilisation to conduct a deployment. They get a cash bonus for completing a tour of HRR service. The RRF is a training course in the terrorist attack security and stuff and simply qualifies soldiers for use in a crisis.
Ahhh so they are separate entities. I feel the Army has really got this right. A small defence force needs to embrace the chockos like this. Maybe some Bushmasters could be the icing on the cake
Just for kicks, Ill add that 3RAR still operated short wheelbase land rovers with a Vickers .303 on a rear swivel mount and an M60 in the passenger seat up untill 1987. I fired the Vickers when I was in DFSW pl (Heavy wpns(bellys!)) The cleaning kit came with a ball pean hammer to assist with (rare) stoppages, and to move the beaten zone one click to the left or right, whack! It never failed when I used it. Had to watch out for the cocking handle taking shin off your knuckles, as it flew fwd and back with every round fired.
I was around at that stage as well. Perhaps we know each other.
Just for kicks, Ill add that 3RAR still operated short wheelbase land rovers with a Vickers .303 on a rear swivel mount and an M60 in the passenger seat up untill 1987. I fired the Vickers when I was in DFSW pl (Heavy wpns(bellys!)) The cleaning kit came with a ball pean hammer to assist with (rare) stoppages, and to move the beaten zone one click to the left or right, whack! It never failed when I used it. Had to watch out for the cocking handle taking shin off your knuckles, as it flew fwd and back with every round fired.
Wonder why they didn't convert the Vickers to 7.62mm like most Commonwealth countries did with the LMG's (former Bren's).
Where did Aus by military grade .303 ammo in the 80's - India?
Wonder why they didn't convert the Vickers to 7.62mm like most Commonwealth countries did with the LMG's (former Bren's).
No one converted Vickers SFMGs to 7.62mm NATO because it was really hard and reduced capability. Unlike converting the BREN for which all you did was get a Canadian made 7.92mm bolt (which could work with 7.62mm NATO) and a new barrel, a few tweaks and presto. Converting a Vickers would require a new belt feed and extractor to work with disintegrating link. It would also require an entire new 7.62mm round with a heavy bullet to match the long range performance of .303 Mk 8 boat tailed round.
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Originally Posted by riksavage
Where did Aus by military grade .303 ammo in the 80's - India?
As I recall it was all old stuff made in Australia. Why use of the .303s eventually stopped because they ran out of ammo and the Salisbury factory that made it had been closed and bulldozed ages ago.
Didn't they also manufacture it at the old maribyrnong factory in Melbourne as well ?
From memory the stocks of Lee Enfields weren't actually made surplus to requirements until the late 80's and there were quite a few RAAF personel in the 80s who had never actually qualified on anything other than the old .303.
Just wanted to ask, with Land 400 gearing up for this decade how will this affect 7th Brigade? I was looking at Land 400 online (Defence sites, DMO, Gov sites) and have seen that they will be replacing multiple vehicle types with single platforms. (At this stage Land 400 will have a wheeled and tracked component from what I can gather)
So what does this mean for 7th Brigade? Will it be given the same vehicles as first? (infantry and armour wise)
Does the army have any future plans for the infantry in the future? Such as the infantry force structure it wants? (light, mech, motor.. will there be a shift to either one?)
Just wanted to ask, with Land 400 gearing up for this decade how will this affect 7th Brigade? I was looking at Land 400 online (Defence sites, DMO, Gov sites) and have seen that they will be replacing multiple vehicle types with single platforms. (At this stage Land 400 will have a wheeled and tracked component from what I can gather)
So what does this mean for 7th Brigade? Will it be given the same vehicles as first? (infantry and armour wise)
Does the army have any future plans for the infantry in the future? Such as the infantry force structure it wants? (light, mech, motor.. will there be a shift to either one?)
Just quickly, Army has a plan called Beersheba that will completely change the orbat of all three manoeuvre brigades. Essentially each brigade will be identical, with an armoured regiment and two infantry battalions. The armoured regiment will consist of a tank squadron, two 'cavalry' squadrons and an 'APC' squadron. All infantry battalions will be identical and all be 'light' with no integral armoured vehicles at all. When they need lift, they will be lifted by the 'APC' squadron of the armoured regiment. As such, the armoured regiment will likely have three classes of AFVs - a tank (obviously) a cavalry fighting vehicle (think Puma) and a vanilla protected mobility vehicle (think Boxer). Of course, the exact vehicles, the mix and the whole tracked vs wheeled thing is yet to be determined.
Just quickly, Army has a plan called Beersheba that will completely change the orbat of all three manoeuvre brigades. Essentially each brigade will be identical, with an armoured regiment and two infantry battalions. The armoured regiment will consist of a tank squadron, two 'cavalry' squadrons and an 'APC' squadron. All infantry battalions will be identical and all be 'light' with no integral armoured vehicles at all. When they need lift, they will be lifted by the 'APC' squadron of the armoured regiment. As such, the armoured regiment will likely have three classes of AFVs - a tank (obviously) a cavalry fighting vehicle (think Puma) and a vanilla protected mobility vehicle (think Boxer). Of course, the exact vehicles, the mix and the whole tracked vs wheeled thing is yet to be determined.
We would have a battalion left over with that plan though, as that only requires 6 battalions (for 3 brigades), or will we be raising another battalion?
So from what I can gather, Plan Beersheeba is not based on your "original" formations that larger armies may have, like Armoured/Mech/Motirised/Para/Light.. etc.. units. But based around how our forces would actually deploy while also providing a much more relaxed way of rotation for the soldiers.
So from what I can gather, Plan Beersheeba is not based on your "original" formations that larger armies may have, like Armoured/Mech/Motirised/Para/Light.. etc.. units. But based around how our forces would actually deploy while also providing a much more relaxed way of rotation for the soldiers.
Its actually based on how the Army was organised in the 60s and 70s until some bored post VietNam War infantry soldiers started playing with their battalions (creating the para and mech inf roles) in the 80s and the Defence of Australia craziness in the 90s that lead to A21. A Plan Beersheeba brigade looks basically the same as the 1ATF deployed to VietNam except for the jungle recce capability (SASR vs armd cav) and all the modern kit.
We had a lot of detailed discussion about this in this very thread a few months ago if you scan back.
