Indian MIG-21 crashes(2nd jet in a week!!!!)

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MiG-21 jet crashes in Ambala
14.11 IST 07th Apr 2003

By IndiaExpress Bureau

An Indian Air Force MiG-21 fighter jet crashed into a milk processing plant in Ambala in the northern state of Haryana on Monday.

[/url]http://indiaexpress.com/news/regional/chandigarh/20030407-0.html

THIS IS 2 IN ONE WEEK!!!!!!

[kilo_4que]

My condolances to the dead!

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[WebMaster]

Yeah, India should dump mig 21s! I feel sorry for the pilots and their families! :(

[orange_hawk]

man it is sick

one after another, I don't have a clue what kind of BS Red tape keeps from updating or getting rid of the damn plane

[Red aRRow]

India needs to upgrade its MIG 21 fleet ASAP.

[Destroyer]

Wow even for India who has one of the highlest loss records in the world, this is strange. First a Mig-23 then a Mig-21 within a few days of each other. Shamayel even if they upgrade the plane , I don't think that'll solve the entire problem. The problem is with the Russian Avionics on Board and other outdated equipment. It will be alot safer if they just phased out the Mig-21s and Mig-23. My Deepest Condolences to the pilots' families :( .

[Red aRRow]

The pilot ejected safely and thankfully people on the ground were only injured NOT killed. So there is no need to offer condolences. :D :D

[WebMaster]

The pilot ejected safely and thankfully people on the ground were only injured NOT killed. So there is no need to offer condolences. :D :D

For the poor plane? And the milk factory? So sad!

[PakiPatriot]

Wow even for India who has one of the highlest loss records in the world, this is strange. First a Mig-23 then a Mig-21 within a few days of each other. Shamayel even if they upgrade the plane , I don't think that'll solve the entire problem. The problem is with the Russian Avionics on Board and other outdated equipment. It will be alot safer if they just phased out the Mig-21s and Mig-23. My Deepest Condolences to the pilots' families :( .

yehhhh!
Patriot, u shud know better than that. Insults in such a manner shall not be tolerated - edited by kilo_4que

[Destroyer]

The pilot ejected safely and thankfully people on the ground were only injured NOT killed. So there is no need to offer condolences.
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I meant for the crash of the Mig-23, a number of people died for that.

[AK_PAK]

Why in the world do the fly planes over populated areas with these crappy planes?

[WebMaster]

Why in the world do the fly planes over populated areas with these crappy planes?

Stupid bid to reduce population? :D :D :D jk!

[Bharat_R]

Hey guys, we can't be biased, why don't we check out Pakistan's attrition rate...

http://babriet.tripod.com/airforce/attrition/pattrition05.htm

Oh my, Pakistan's attrition rate is worse then India's. See the Mig-21, 23,25, and 27 are old that's why they crash. It's gonna be replaced by the LCA and/or Mirage.

Think about it how many Mirage, Su's or Jaguars crash? Hardly any, so its nothing to do with Indian pilots.

[WebMaster]

It all comes down to india is better pakistan is bad forget the truth. :D

"gonna be replaced by the LCA and/or Mirage."

LCA has been in the cookbooks for over 30 years, its not going to happen!

[Bharat_R]

Sure we can all say that, we can say the M1A2 didn't get inducted, and yes it took long to induct. What about the Eurofighter? They took long, plus the Europeans had the infastructure and yes Europeans... its a joint venture while India did this mainly on their own (got support in design of the LCA, FBW, and some components from US) plus India never had the proper infastructure to make a plane like this. We could always make an FC-1, which would just be a Mig 21 upgraded. Remember that India license produced the Mig 21 so a J-9 wouldn't be difficult to develop but we went for the best.

BTW there is no facts coming from you, I can make all these claims, I can say Pakistan won't have BVR and say face the facts you guys won't get the Derby (which Pakistan won't be getting), and would have to get Chinese BVR. T :D

But then again it wouldn't matter Pakistan is getting the F-22. :D

[kilo_4que]

Aham, my friend I dont think u quite understand. First of all my friend, the reason why ure advance fighter have a low if not null crash rate is due to the flight time. Indian pilots hardly ever get a chance to fly the likes of Su-27s, Su-30s and mig-29s. Likewise, less chance of crashing.

Regards to BVRs, why is it that u make such a mockery of ure self. Everyone knows pakistan will aquire BVRs, just to make ure self happy, y is it that u dont believe it.

Just wait and see, they shall invest in a lot of advance arms in the near future.

Also could u shine more light on where u keep on posting about Pakistan and the F-22s, either it is sarcasm or u really have read it somewhere

[boylde]

Maybe they should do like the Chinese turn them into cruise missile

[kashifshahzad]

I think India must upgrade its fleet because mig 21 are too old to fly Pakistan is also upgrading its fleet to replace its A-5's and also its transport PIA folker planes with swedish planes

[SABRE]

IAF should just ground them. They have good line up & minusing MiG-21 wont make it worse. They r just there waisting IAF's time, money & Pilots.

[aaaditya]

india has 400+mig21's and 200+mig23's(mig23's are being retired now),so if mig21's are also retired then it will reduce iaf strength by more than 50%.india will be left wth 40 su-30's,60 mirage2000's,160 mig27's,70 mig29's.:coffee

[P.A.F]

thats more then enough. plus you getting 125+ f-16, mirage 2000-5 or some other air craft.

[A Khan]

india has 400+mig21's and 200+mig23's(mig23's are being retired now),so if mig21's are also retired then it will reduce iaf strength by more than 50%.india will be left wth 40 su-30's,60 mirage2000's,160 mig27's,70 mig29's.:coffee

the 125+ PAF mentioned and add to those a 100 or so LCA's... and in time isnt india supposed to have 140 SU-30's? that sounds to me a like a very decent air force...

[aaaditya]

you all seem to think that india is shopping for groceries at a nearby market,these are high tech fighter aircrafts we are talking about,the iaf air chief has stated that it will take several years before these aircrafts can be inducted in substantial numbers(atleast 5 to 6 years),the lca's are expected by around 2008(initial batch of 40 aircrafts),requests for proposals have only now been sent,the aircrafts will need to be evaluated,the costs and freebies are to be discussed .there is still a long way to go and till then india has to soldier on with these mig jets.

[instantexcess]

Even an upgrade will not be much of help, around 3 years back we were hearing so much of the Mig-21BIS upgrade that india had gotten from Russia and Israel, and with in a week of that machine being in operation, there was a crash and I doubt if the overall record of these upgraded machines is much different from their older counterparts ...

[aaaditya]

there are no reports of a mig21-93 having crashed(these were the ones upgraded)the mig-21 reported to have crashed was an older variant.:coffee

[P.A.F]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1067072.cms

MiG-21s will fly till 2016: IAF


A MiG-21 Bison (CU2777) after its refit.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/photo.cms?msid=1067076


One of world’s most-built jet, MiG-21 was born in mid-50s out of Russia’s post-World war II ambitions in a divided world. The small, agile, stylish fighter soon crowded skies of Europe, Africa, Asia and Central America. In 1963 the first batch of MiG-21s entered Indian Air Force, as part of a strategy to take on Pakistan’s Starfighters from the United States and to meet the challenges from China. Till date some 13,000 of them have built in Russia and in many countries like India under licence, and in countries like China without it.

Over the past few years, the MiG-21 has been in the news for crashes rather than its combat ability. Even though India has been looking for a replacement, the IAF reiterated that the aircraft will continue to fly with the force till at least 2016.

In 1965 war with Pakistan, the MiG-21 played no significant role. After the war the IAF began inducting a larger number of MiG-21s making it its backbone. And by 1967, India began assembling and later manufacturing them, giving rise to a larger number of military industrial units across India. Hundreds of pilots who flew the fighter wrote their own legends. In 1971 war, taking direction from a tourist map, MiG-21 fighters were able to bomb...



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I feel sorry for the pilots who are gonna have to fly these.:confused:

[kashifshahzad]

I say dump all Mig 21's at once or you want to decrease your population caz you have a lot already:D

[P.A.F]

I say dump all Mig 21's at once or you want to decrease your population caz you have a lot already:D


LOL.....

i agree. unless the IAF want to kill their pilots i say they should be retired within the next 1-2 years. instead of upgrading them to Bison standard i think they should spend that money on something more useful.

[Red aRRow]

Ok people stop talking out of your behinds. This was old news...no point in debating it any more. Locking!