Pakistan to test new missile - Shaheen II

[The Watcher]

:smokingc: :pak

Right time for this type of test. Takes care of the idea that Pakistan is going to role back on its nukes. Never! :mad

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Defence and Strategic News
Pakistan to test new missile: Musharraf

URL of this article: http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/printer_1292.shtml
Feb 6, 2004, 09:14

ISLAMABAD: President Pervez Musharraf said Thursday Pakistan would test fire a 2,000-kilometer (1,250-mile) range missile in a month.

"We have built the Shaheen II missile with a range of 2,000 kilometers and we will test fire it in one month," Musharraf said at a news conference during which he said he had pardoned the disgraced architect of Pakistan's nuclear bomb, Abdul Qadeer Khan, for leaking technology abroad.

Musharraf vowed Pakistan's nuclear and missile programmes would never be rolled back and the country was achieving steady progress in strengthening its assets.

"This country will never roll back its nuclear assets and its missile programme. This can never be done, this is my promise," he said.

Pakistan carried out its last missile test in October when it fired a 700-kilometer range surface-to-surface Shaheen I ballistic missile, capable of carrying a nuclear warhead.

Pakistan's arsenal includes the Ghauri missile which can hit targets up to 1,500 kilometers.

India and Pakistan geared up their missile programmes after both carried out nuclear tests in May 1998. India has tested more missiles than Pakistan, including the Agni II which has a range of 2,500 kilometers.

[Faisal_Masud]

Well you are still sitting at Shaheen-II and Pakistan is going to complete Shaheen-III with range more than 36,00 KM. :eek
It is under construction by National Defence Complex.It is one of its own kind in the world.go to and then go to Missile Section. See there will be mentioned that it has a range more than 36,00 kilometers. :P

[Red aRRow]

Any source of that news Faisal_Masud???

[Revival_786]

What's 36,oo?

[Red aRRow]

I think he meant 3,600 Kilometres.

[Faisal_Masud]

Well the range 2,000 is announced by Pakistani government but this is less range than its original one.Actually it has a range of 25,00 km. :eek

[saraab]

thats 2,500 km :)

[The Watcher]

So, we can expect the fireworks in next coming days... ;) :pak

Defence and Strategic News
Pakistan to test fire missiles
By DefenceTalk.com

URL of this article: http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/printer_1361.shtml
Feb 23, 2004, 10:03

PAKISTAN has decided to test fire a long range missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead, a government minister said today.

Foreign Minister Khursheed Kasuri declined to specify when the missile would be tested, or what was its exact range.

The missile belongs to the Shaheen series, Kasuri told reporters in the Pakistani capital, Islamabad. Last year, Pakistan test fired the Shaheen 1, which has a range of about 700 kms, far enough to hit India's capital, New Delhi, and other major targets.

Shaheen 2, another missile from the same family, has also been developed. It has a range of more than 1,900 kms but has never been tested.

"We have our own plan. We have our own timetable for missile tests," Kasuri said.

He reiterated Pakistan's missile development program was for defensive purposes.

Pakistan and India have begun a historic peace process, and Kasuri's comment appeared aimed at allaying any Indian fears about the motive for the test.

[ullu]

:idea2 I have a feeling that pak will test this missile or series of missile test will begin around 9th moharam (1st) march.. :D

[general]

where are the tests?I am still waiting

[amankotca]

where are the tests?I am still waiting

I agree with you----probably they forgot---- :P

[amankotca]

So, we can expect the fireworks in next coming days... ;) :pak

Defence and Strategic News
Pakistan to test fire missiles
By DefenceTalk.com

URL of this article: http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/printer_1361.shtml
Feb 23, 2004, 10:03

PAKISTAN has decided to test fire a long range missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead, a government minister said today.

Foreign Minister Khursheed Kasuri declined to specify when the missile would be tested, or what was its exact range.

The missile belongs to the Shaheen series, Kasuri told reporters in the Pakistani capital, Islamabad. Last year, Pakistan test fired the Shaheen 1, which has a range of about 700 kms, far enough to hit India's capital, New Delhi, and other major targets.

Shaheen 2, another missile from the same family, has also been developed. It has a range of more than 1,900 kms but has never been tested.

"We have our own plan. We have our own timetable for missile tests," Kasuri said.

He reiterated Pakistan's missile development program was for defensive purposes.

Pakistan and India have begun a historic peace process, and Kasuri's comment appeared aimed at allaying any Indian fears about the motive for the test.

I don't think they will do the test firing....as they said where is/are the test(s)

[The Watcher]

have some patients friends.

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Defence and Strategic News
Pakistan ready to test fire long-range missile shortly: official

URL of this article: http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/printer_1410.shtml
Mar 8, 2004, 08:53

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Monday said it was on the brink of test firing a 2,000-kilometer (1,250-mile) range missile but had already forewarned key countries including its nuclear rival India.

"You should expect this flight test any time shortly," foreign ministry spokesman Masood Khan told a weekly press briefing, stressing New Delhi had had been informed about the impending test of Shaheen-II missile.

http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/printer_1410.shtml

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pakistan needs to test something with more range, perhaps 3000km or 3,600km ones just to show israel hey you are compromising our national security by selling india hi tech stuff, we've got you in range as well so watch it. :D

[The Watcher]

An update:

Pakistan about to test missile that extends range

ISLAMABAD, March 8 (Reuters) - Pakistan will soon test for the first time a new nuclear-capable missile, the Shaheen II, which could reach all of India's cities.

"You should expect this flight test anytime, shortly," Foreign Ministry spokesman Masood Khan told reporters on Monday.

Pakistan has said the missile has a range of over 2,000 km (1,200 miles), although one Pakistani newspaper has reported its range could be as high as 3,000 km (1,900 miles).

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/ISL38983.htm :smokingc:
:pak

[P.A.F]

i think that it is a good move by pakistan to test fire it's nuke because it remindes isreal and india of what pakistan is capable of doing.

[general]

An update:

Pakistan about to test missile that extends range

ISLAMABAD, March 8 (Reuters) - Pakistan will soon test for the first time a new nuclear-capable missile, the Shaheen II, which could reach all of India's cities.

"You should expect this flight test anytime, shortly," Foreign Ministry spokesman Masood Khan told reporters on Monday.

Pakistan has said the missile has a range of over 2,000 km (1,200 miles), although one Pakistani newspaper has reported its range could be as high as 3,000 km (1,900 miles).

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/ISL38983.htm :smokingc:
:pak

exactly what I was thinking

[general]

i think that it is a good move by pakistan to test fire it's nuke because it remindes isreal and india of what pakistan is capable of doing.

I mean this is what I was thinking

[Indus]

pakistan needs to test something with more range, perhaps 3000km or 3,600km ones just to show israel hey you are compromising our national security by selling india hi tech stuff, we've got you in range as well so watch it. :D


My friend, do you not know that Israel has Arrow missile defence which already proven its effectiveness in test trials.. Not to mention they have very sophisticated satellites (i.e. Ofek) which would detect any hostile ballistic missiles.. They would have plenty of time to intercept and Retaliate with their 200 some odd nuclear arsenal..

Why should Israel be afraid of selling military hardware to India.. They have more than enough military deterrence, they have no reason to be scared of pakistan - which is far behind Israel..


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[The Watcher]

Then Israel shouldn't have any problem Pakistan selling advanced missile tech and other weapons to middle eastern states. If need be and in very rare and extreme situation pak could use saudis as a launching site. and these "trials" that you mention are stage managed, they are arranged in such way that there are 99% chances of missile hitting the target... launch the missile from certain location, place the arrow missile battery at a certain location.... with pakistans mobile launchers God knows where the missile will be launched and where it will hit.

[Indus]

Then Israel shouldn't have any problem Pakistan selling advanced missile tech and other weapons to middle eastern states. If need be and in very rare and extreme situation pak could use saudis as a launching site. and these "trials" that you mention are stage managed, they are arranged in such way that there are 99% chances of missile hitting the target... launch the missile from certain location, place the arrow missile battery at a certain location.... with pakistans mobile launchers God knows where the missile will be launched and where it will hit.

First of all, Pakistan has already blown any chances being able to sell any missile technology to middle east - with the recent scandal and all.. Since Pak was caught red-handed in Iran,, there will be more of that. therell be far more scrutiny and surveillance preventing Pakistan from doing this again w/ ME.. - If not anyone else - U.S. and IAEA will make sure of it... U.S. wont let Pak do anymore proliferating..
Even if Pak were to launch missiles from ME, Israel would still be able to deter it with Arrow MD, and Satellites, Phalcon, Submarine-launched nuke Retaliation.. etc, etc, etc.. ISrael is always one step ahead.. thats for sure, they have to be - in such a hostile neighborhood.

Secondly, your claim that Arrow Missile defence trials are staged to look 99% accurate is totally absurd.. FIrstly, you do not have any proof or documentation of this.. you are just BSing, because you are probably frustrated with Israel's Potent/Advanced capabilities..

Israel has no reason to "stage" successful trials... It is developing the most advanced/successful ANTI-Ballistic Missile SHield in the world.. In order to do this, they have to do realistic tests.. and there have been plenty of unbiased articles showing its success..

Israel's Nucear Arsenal:
http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/jid/jid040304_1_n.shtml

Arrow 2 test exceeds Israeli expectations
http://www.janes.com/defence/news/jdw/jdw031229_1_n.shtml

[The Watcher]

We are talking about missile tech not nuclear technology that pakistan can sell to other countries. Some countries will carry on with their IFs and BUTs but its pakistan's security thats on stake and it needs to reply back appropriately.

wheather arrow really stops an enemy missile is yet to be seen, again trial tests of this nature are always stage managed much like US AMD tests...

[Ninja]

Dear Watcher control your emotions you are saying that Missile tech can be exported. If thats the case then Americans and British will not be enjoying their time at Hawaii beaches. First thing if such blatant proliferation occurs all the nuclear assets of Pakistan and all missile tech will defenitely be under the control of Americans, Remember Pak can do this kind of absurd and ridiculous blackmailing only in south asia, out of south asia the "ISRAEL" factor plays a major role in American/British Foreign policy. So Pak can't just say that it haa the liberty to sell missile tech to any country.

The kind of support which Pakistan got from America and its closest "ally" china during Kargil War. [ Americans sensed even the slightest movement of missiles using their electronic gadgets, so it is unlikely that u can sell weopons tech as you wish]

During 1971 Indo-Pak war the american and Chinese support!!!!!!!
No country will come [middle east countries in your case] to rescue a third country

Stop giving such bizzare comments: if pakistan security is at stakes it should strengthen not by selling Missiles but by improving its defence.

[Roger Smith]

Then Israel shouldn't have any problem Pakistan selling advanced missile tech and other weapons to middle eastern states. If need be and in very rare and extreme situation pak could use saudis as a launching site. and these "trials" that you mention are stage managed, they are arranged in such way that there are 99% chances of missile hitting the target... launch the missile from certain location, place the arrow missile battery at a certain location.... with pakistans mobile launchers God knows where the missile will be launched and where it will hit.

I do not think Pakistan could or be able to sell advanced missile technology to any Middle Eastern countries or to any other country after the nuclear proliferation espisode with N. Korea, Libya and Iran and as recent with Nigeria. Secondly no country will take the risk of annoying the USA by obtaining Pakistan's missile technology.

The USA are keeping a good check on Pakistan's nuclear deterrence and missiles technology and once Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar aspect is over, the American will demand Pakistan to curtail further test and roll back on this aspect instead invest to infrastructure of its economy and country.

The aforementioned are my views.

[The Watcher]

well ninja why are you bringing in 3 different topics in one?

pakistan will sell missile tech to ME countries, why does that bother you? if russia and india can "cooperate" on missiles like brahmos, US and UK can cooperate on missiles like trident, why not pakistan and middle eastern countries? why does that give you an itch? whether middle eastern countries give importance to india vs pakistan issue or not that isn't the point the point is what can pakistan do to create problems for israel as israel is creating problems for pakistan by giving india(pakistans enemy) advanced radars in order to undermine pakistani security. pakistan has to do what it needs to and what it should - i'm sure israelis will reconsider their alliance with india that if pakistan can sell missiles it can certainly sell nukes again, maybe not today or tomorrow but day after? :D

Oh really roger? how do you say, US is keeping good check on Paks nukes? did you see it happening? this check was always there but never enforced and US has its hands full already, it does not want to put checks on pakistan and have it undermine war on terror and eventually taking away muslim support. pakistan is an important country and front line state in war against terror, anything goes. :D

This recent visit to KSA by musharaff and gang, what do you think that was about? :lol To eat dates and drink camel milk? Yeah right!

[The Watcher]

News about the recent visit:

PAKISTAN, SAUDIS FOCUS ON DEFENSE COOPERATION

ABU DHABI [MENL] -- Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have launched an effort to complete a defense cooperation agreement that would pave the way for weapons sales by Islamabad to Riyad.

The effort took place over the weekend during a visit by Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf to Saudi Arabia. Officials said Musharraf's meetings with Saudi officials focused on defense and security cooperation as well as prospective weapons sales.

Musharraf, who ended his visit on late Sunday, was accompanied by four ministers including Minister of State for Defense Production Habibullah Warraich. The Pakistani delegation met Crown Prince Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz, Defense Minister Prince Sultan Bin Abdul Aziz and Saudi intelligence chief Prince Abdul Aziz Bin Bandar, and a Saudi statement said the meetings were meant to bolster bilateral relations.

Western diplomatic sources said that over the last year Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have been discussing cooperation in counterinsurgency, missiles, nuclear weapons and military aircraft. They said Pakistan has sought to win Saudi approval for the signing of contracts in some of these fields.

Source (http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2004/march/03_09_1.html)

And ME countries and their government won't be the same in say about 10-20 years?

[Roger Smith]

well ninja why are you bringing in 3 different topics in one?

pakistan will sell missile tech to ME countries, why does that bother you? if russia and india can "cooperate" on missiles like brahmos, US and UK can cooperate on missiles like trident, why not pakistan and middle eastern countries? why does that give you an itch? whether middle eastern countries give importance to india vs pakistan issue or not that isn't the point the point is what can pakistan do to create problems for israel as israel is creating problems for pakistan by giving india(pakistans enemy) advanced radars in order to undermine pakistani security. pakistan has to do what it needs to and what it should - i'm sure israelis will reconsider their alliance with india that if pakistan can sell missiles it can certainly sell nukes again, maybe not today or tomorrow but day after? :D

Oh really roger? how do you say, US is keeping good check on Paks nukes? did you see it happening? this check was always there but never enforced and US has its hands full already, it does not want to put checks on pakistan and have it undermine war on terror and eventually taking away muslim support. pakistan is an important country and front line state in war against terror, anything goes. :D

This recent visit to KSA by musharaff and gang, what do you think that was about? :lol To eat dates and drink camel milk? Yeah right!


Just name me a candidate country in ME, who will or RWA (ready willing able)to buy Pakistan missile technology :? It is not icecream, which could be available at 7/11 outlets and is a WMD.

The USA, EU and rest of the world are monitoring Pakistan nuclear device, let us not kid on this aspect.

Do you think Musharraf & Gang are in KSA selling missile technology and implicate himself? You are joking......... :D

[The Watcher]

well i posted news link about increasing defence cooperation... it doesn't have to be today or tomorrow as i said. the the thought is there. you don't want to accept it because it puts india's future supplier of weapons under check or maybe it may not sell such important stuff if pakistan even says, that if israel does not stop mingling in our neighborhood we may also have to do the same in israels neighborhood. ;) the implications of that will be great and israel understands. it doesnt want 6 neighbors being armed to teeth ready to take it down.

again dont misunderstand me when i say this... its not happening nor did anyone say that but idea is there who has seen tomorrow? :D

i think u can get over the idea of pakistan selling its missile tech to other countries for the sake of making some money and putting its enemies in check. :lolol

[Roger Smith]

Let us face it, you or myself can not stop any country for buying or selling WMD., we are just having a discussion. :lolol

Few countries like USA, Russia, China, France, Israel have the credibility of selling arms (combat ships, planes etc) and for a newcomer it is not easy to join the club. Pakistan is currently exporting mainly ammo worth $100 million a year according to records. :smokingc:

[The Watcher]

Yeah. Thats why pakistan is a new comer. As new stuff like tanks, subs, JF-17 and APCs enter service (some of this we'll see in the up coming IDEAS 04) the exports will certainly grow. ME happens to be the market where these are and will be marketted. :smokingc:

[Roger Smith]

Yeah. Thats why pakistan is a new comer. As new stuff like tanks, subs, JF-17 and APCs enter service (some of this we'll see in the up coming IDEAS 04) the exports will certainly grow. ME happens to be the market where these are and will be marketted. :smokingc:

I can see future possibility for Pakistan exporting MBT, APC and small arms ammo. Even MBT Al-Khalid the engine are imported from Ukraine and that can be a snag.

In regard to Agosto submarine and JF-17, Pakistan has a very long path to cover or achieve prior reaching its goal.

[Faisal_Masud]

Shaheen Missile:
Maximum Range (with warhead)=2,500 KM
'' '' (without warhead)=3,000 KM
Payload=1,000 Kg
Tested for 19,00 Km
Told by Dr. Samar Mubarik Mund talking in a TV program on the day of testing.