Tackling Alien Attack

[stealth stalker]

How well are our air forces prepared and equipped to counter Alien Space and air attacks..(In case they attack..)
I think it is perfectly ok to discuss it for educative purposes...
The the probability of an alien encounter is real and as good as the probability of nuclear exchange between the two superpowers...
Please dont think this as a crazy thread...we have to prepare for everything if we want to survive as a species in the long term...

[jaffo4011]

well,this thread certainly makes a change from continuous typhoon vrs f22 threads!!

i suppose it would depend on many factors including,perhaps the most important one,the fabled'deflector shield'utilised by every alien ship i've ever seen in films...........

discuss!

[Waylander]

Ah, finally a serious discussion about a topic which gets much less attention than it deserves! :onfloorl:

I expect aliens which are able to travel within our galaxy to have capabilities against which nothing can be done...maybe except suicide with our NBC-weapons...

[Blitzo]

Well in movies everyone uses nukes. So I suppose countries with ICBM's will be the ones that will be the front line of defense.
It really depends if the aliens want to blow us up from orbit, send in fighter planes, or engage us in a ground war lolz.
But nukes would be the best thing to do if we wanted to blow them up.

[kato]

Someone name a movie or scifi book in which aliens on earth are actually defeated by conventional, pre-existing military means. Including nukes. Cuz i can't think of any. At all. And that's quite an achievement.

Edit: mmm - John Carpenter's "They Live", 1988? Although that wasn't military...

[old faithful]

defeating an alien attack is easy, first disable their electronics with continuous broadcast on every known freaquency of "Marty Robbins" country music, then just infiltrate them with a couple of people who have bad colds....:nutkick

[Jissy]

How well are our air forces prepared and equipped to counter Alien Space and air attacks..(In case they attack..)
I think it is perfectly ok to discuss it for educative purposes...
The the probability of an alien encounter is real and as good as the probability of nuclear exchange between the two superpowers...
Please dont think this as a crazy thread...we have to prepare for everything if we want to survive as a species in the long term...

Putting the usual 'hilarity response' aside, this is a serious question for all of mankind.
Firstly, to imagine that we are the only 'intelligent' beings in the universe is far more laughable than to consider that there are many alien races technologically far superior to our own.

The history of science is littered with blinkered, insular and short sighted bigoted views which, after proper scientific study have been proved wrong, like the "flat Earth" theory, for one.

I posit the following arguments;

We are not alone.
We are not the most technologically advanced.
We are in contact with Alien races.
The general public is subjected to disinformation policies.

Evidence: I have seen two UFOs at very close range, with witnesses.

At least two astronauts have publically declared they know Alien UFOs exist.
I have seen NASA film of UFO interaction with a space shuttle in orbit and film of a NASA mission in orbit where the astronaut shows what is out the porthole, and it isn't one of ours!

Add to this;
the Brazil and French governments have opened there once closed files on UFOs, and now there is an international effort currently at work, involving ex-NASA, ex-military, scientists and other government officials who are publically demanding governments tell the public what they already now, that being, we ARE ALREADY IN CONTACT.

Finally,
think of this;
if you were a technologically far superior race, visiting a far inferior one still developing, wouldn't you carefully and slowly exammine the new race, while trying to keep a low profile? And, if the Alien presence was war minded, what better way to conquer, (if that was the intention), than to quietly assimilate, by co-evolution and cross breeding, rather than opening up a constant global conflict, all the while appeasing the governments in the most powerful positions globally by handing out some technology?

Finally, the greatest danger is to believe the disinformation, and treat it all as a joke.

My prediction; we will all know, for sure, in the coming few years, as nations break ranks with the USA, and reveal the truth.

When it happens, don't be afraid, remember, they have not just arrived, they have been here a very long time!

[stealth stalker]

I am happy about the response we have got here...i thought the moderators will delete or lock this thread....
i read that the SETI people are doing a big mistake by broadcasting our existence to different parts of the Galactic habitable zones...Extra-solar species may not share our ethics...they may view humans as a threat and may try to eliminate us...
Also they may have evolved prior to humans or they may have higher degree of intelligence because of oxygen rich atmosphere in their planet...
So if they are technologically superior we would have no scope against them...
Imagine the US of 1900s fighting against the US of present...The century old US may have the best technology of thier time but they are no match for ours..
The same will apply across civilizations too...
so the best option would be hiding us by avoiding even stray radio waves from escaping into space ...also we must camouflage our spacecrafts to resemble space rocks...
and should self destroy the space crafts straying away from the solar system....
Then only we could conceal us...
but we are broadcasting our existence all over the universe....
the SETI should seriously think about it...
they should listen for radio signals but should not broadcast signals...
This is a very serious topic putting the whole human species at risk...

[Waylander]

That's one thing I never understood in most alien attack movies.
Why the stealth approach?
Trying to take over some guys in a small village somewhere in the desert of New Mexico or something like that.

Any alien race that is able to get to us would be so much more advanced that I bet that if they wanted to conquer us it would be a walk in the park for them.
So why the stealth. If I would want to conquer earth I would just do it. The tech they could employ would for sure toast our conventional weapons within hours and I doubt that any NBC-carrier be it a ICBM, cruise missile or fighter delivered bomb is going to get very far after launch.

One shouldn't be worried about us sending our radio waves out into space. If they want to fry us they are going to find us anyway.
And a space shuttle camouflaged as a rock isn't going to stop them from seeing the highly lighted urban centers or the worldwide broadcasting of the football world cup.

I FOR ONE WELCOME OUR NEW OVERLORDS!

[stealth stalker]

One shouldn't be worried about us sending our radio waves out into space. If they want to fry us they are going to find us anyway.
And a space shuttle camouflaged as a rock isn't going to stop them from seeing the highly lighted urban centers or the worldwide broadcasting of the football world cup.

I FOR ONE WELCOME OUR NEW OVERLORDS!

Let us try something rather than simply cursing our fate...for a far away observer the light escaping to space from the surface of the earth will not be visible unless they have extremely high resolution cameras.... If that is the case they should be already on their way to meet us...
Also remember Einsteins Relativity saying that nothing can travel faster than light.....technology may advance but fundamental laws remain the same...Unless they have found a wormhole they cant travel faster than light....So it would take centuries for them to reach us....
I think something like a world consortium should be formed and technologies to defend our planet should be developed...(like stopping them at the outskirts of our sol system)...also our planet needs to be defended against the NEO's(Near Earth Objects)...

[Tavarisch]

My opinion is this :

IN the event of an "Alien Attack" (which is unlikely as a hydrogen atom to split it's nucleus by itself), the first thing I would do is gather all those AIDS/HIV and SARS people and send them in. People with flu and the common cold go next. What is the life of a few in the grand scheme of 6 billion?

Then, we send Aedes Mosquitoes to spread Dengue. We also catapult shit and diarrhea at them so they can inspect the millions of bacteria in there.

This is the time we use our biological weapons, not our nuclear ones. World leaders ALWAYS make that mistake.

[Sintra]

That's one thing I never understood in most alien attack movies.
Why the stealth approach?
Trying to take over some guys in a small village somewhere in the desert of New Mexico or something like that.

Any alien race that is able to get to us would be so much more advanced that I bet that if they wanted to conquer us it would be a walk in the park for them.
So why the stealth. If I would want to conquer earth I would just do it. The tech they could employ would for sure toast our conventional weapons within hours and I doubt that any NBC-carrier be it a ICBM, cruise missile or fighter delivered bomb is going to get very far after launch.

One shouldn't be worried about us sending our radio waves out into space. If they want to fry us they are going to find us anyway.
And a space shuttle camouflaged as a rock isn't going to stop them from seeing the highly lighted urban centers or the worldwide broadcasting of the football world cup.

I FOR ONE WELCOME OUR NEW OVERLORDS!

One of the reason´s that could trigger this Alien Invasion are those radio waves that we keep sending to space...
Those radio emission´s could be seen has a legitimate "Casus Belli" by an Alien power.
Now just imagine, in our houses we have TV sets with a "on/off" button and are "generaly" prepared to expect the worst from generalistic stations.
Not so for "OUR NEW OVERLORDS"; when those radio waves are detected and deciphered our alien invaders might get hit by "BIG BROTHER"! Or even worst the Eurovision Festival Song!!!
Well, in my book that´s a clear "Casus Belli"...:D

Cheers

[Waylander]

Ah, right.
I can imagine a lot of our tv programm being irritating enough to force them burning the first few km of our planet's surface to ashes.
And who could blame them...

Thinking that just because Einstein formulated a law which should make it impossible to travel faster than light doesn't mean that this is going to be true forever.

New scientific research and new technologies may someday show that it is indeed possible and be it just by some kind of warphole, beam, jump, whatever technology.

And we just can't stop any advanced alien race at the ouskirts of our star system.
With what? A Voyager probe with a small nuke warhead in it?

No letting life go on instead of trying to pour billions of hard cash into something which wouldn't help anyway if THEY come for us is much more preferable.

[stealth stalker]

My opinion is this :

IN the event of an "Alien Attack" (which is unlikely as a hydrogen atom to split it's nucleus by itself), the first thing I would do is gather all those AIDS/HIV and SARS people and send them in. People with flu and the common cold go next. What is the life of a few in the grand scheme of 6 billion?

Then, we send Aedes Mosquitoes to spread Dengue. We also catapult shit and diarrhea at them so they can inspect the millions of bacteria in there.

This is the time we use our biological weapons, not our nuclear ones. World leaders ALWAYS make that mistake.

But how do u know that the micro organisms that infect us would also infect them....they may have a biologically different makeup...or else they may have developed sufficient resistance to them since they r technologically advanced enough to come over here and challenge us....anyway we could try them....we could create highly mutating and adapting micro organisms in the lab...but the threat is that they would wipe out humans before any alien could really challenge us...

[stealth stalker]

defeating an alien attack is easy, first disable their electronics with continuous broadcast on every known freaquency of "Marty Robbins" country music, then just infiltrate them with a couple of people who have bad colds....:nutkick

Broadcasting on every known frequency is called jamming...but we cant jam a relatively wide spectrum since that would require infinite power...also techniques like frequency hopping could easily avoid jamming...another misconception is that an EMP bomb will take out all electronics....If the electronics are protected by faradays cage that is just a metal cage the EMP cant affect it...
i am a electronics and communication student anyway....

[stealth stalker]

Ah, right.


And we just can't stop any advanced alien race at the ouskirts of our star system.
With what? A Voyager probe with a small nuke warhead in it?

No letting life go on instead of trying to pour billions of hard cash into something which wouldn't help anyway if THEY come for us is much more preferable.

I have another idea that may help in the long term to conceal us...that is using gravitational lensing effect of distant stars we could hide solar system...this works just like the light bending armour used by predators in the movie...also by intelligently manipulating the dust clouds we could hide us in visual frequencies atleast....but these are speculative technologies which would require atleast a few centuries for us to master...

[AegisFC]

Lets keep these off the wall topics in the off topic forum.

[Ibizan Hound]

There's nothing you can really do if aliens attack. 1st off, they very likely will but they disguise themselves in objects such as comets and asteroids. They use certain forces to handicap their enemies before they present themselves. They do not attack in war of the worlds fashion or in id4 fashion. They are higher beings that use deception not a pack of wild wolves

[harms]

If I remember correctly, in that movie with Mel Gibson in the middle of corn field, someone said that aliens will not attack openly, because we would use Nuclear weapons and that would make Earth inhabitable. Not worthy for occupation. Of course this does not work if the goal is simply to destroy our planet.;)
And How does nuclear weapons work in space where there is no atmosphere and no blast wave???:confused:

[Ananda]

stealth stalker;168332]How well are our air forces prepared and equipped to counter Alien Space and air attacks..(In case they attack..)

If an alien race with the capability to cross star system and galaxy at will, wants to attack us (a race which at this moment can't even realistically come out with an technology on how to achieving it), isn't a similar comparison comparing horseman (with only sword, spear and arrow) wants to attack M1A2 ?

Considering Greece Phalax or Eqyptian Charriots facing 120mm smootbore canon on open battlefield, will only worth discussing how many minutes the M1A2 will finish the battle.

Questions if they can cross galaxy at will, why bother with this tiny little blue dot ?

Sorry..all I can says isn't a little bit pointless to discuss something that's soo disproprotionaly uncomparable..??

[Jissy]

I FOR ONE WELCOME OUR NEW OVERLORDS!

Funny how this statement keeps popping up...
I first saw it in the Editorial of The Daily Telegraph, (N.S.W., Aust.) published 25th July 2008, in response to an article on ex-astronaut Edgar Mitchell, in which he stated, that he knew UFOs were real, and that our governments were in contact.

I have no problem accepting our skies have UFOs in them, that is, the remaining 10 per cent of sightings that have no earthly explanation.

Well, I too welcome the new overlords, as long as they come in peace, and allow our race to continue, without further genetic manipulation!

Anyway,
the most obvious thing about this UFO phenomena is, since the documented sightings have constantly continued since the Second World War, 'they' must be already living among us, in a kind of harmony.... To wonder why they use stealth, should not be the main matter of concern. However, in the insect world, stealth is how most of the battles are won... and think of genetic assimilation....a new dominant strain with the best of both worlds...

Contactees, I believe, may have had some form of hypnopotism enacted on them, and so what they say cannot be completely trusted. I came to this conclusion after meeting several of them, in Queensland three years ago. They were ordinary and rational people, who had partial memories of contact with an Alien race, who they described physically, identified by us as "Greys".

The "Greys" assure everyone they mean no harm and yet memories, for three of the women I met, include forced impregnation and then, some weeks later, removal of an embryo, without consent and against their will, and it has happened repeatedly. It was the oddest thing, to listen to their statements, yet they remained calm, impassive, as they decribed their ordeal.

I remain unconvinced that our 'visitors' are benign. However, I remain equally unconvinced that the statements made to me, by contactees, are not unentirely uncontaminated by hypnotic suggestion; all of them describe violation of their bodies and human rights, yet oddly, they also present the perpetrators, the "Greys", as being friendly and looking out for human kind's welfare.

Also, other contactees (and some gov. personnel) are aware of the "ARK" project, which is also of some concern. This project may not be all that it is thought to be. I do not think our armed forces and various government agencies, (a selection of whom are involved), are really thinking clearly on this matter. If some contactees (potentially) appear to have been hypnotised, then why not also those of government/military who have direct alien contact?

If the "ARK" project is indeed real, then why would we trust the "Greys" assurances, for instance, that all the "ARKS" reserved for "humans" are destined to survive... Logically, I think only the half-breed and full-breed Alien "ARKS" will survive. Think about it, why would they bother to us full bree dhumans, when they have been busily creating a hybrid race?

Our governments should look to the alien visitors who look like us physically, and seek their guidance. It is imperative, I feel, that contact be made with the humanoid race.

Finally, I can only hope what the contactees describe is merely delusional. For if it is true, a well planned and executed programme of genetic/racial usurption, on a global level, has been active under our very noses, for over fifty years!

[Feanor]

Wait what? You're kidding right?

On a sidenote I think we could scare the aliens away with mass public displays of deviant sexual habits.

[old faithful]

Im well aware what jamming is, its just.....oh forget it and watch mars attacks....this is the MOST ridiculous thread I have ever seen on this site......shame.

[Feanor]

Im well aware what jamming is, its just.....oh forget it and watch mars attacks....this is the MOST ridiculous thread I have ever seen on this site......shame.

Oh come on. It's the off-topic forum. Lighten up. :)

[old faithful]

Oh come on. It's the off-topic forum. Lighten up. :)

:onfloorl:...ok, hope the aliens are really idiots...like the ones from the simpsons (which is about as realistic as I think they are).

[Feanor]

:onfloorl:...ok, hope the aliens are really idiots...like the ones from the simpsons (which is about as realistic as I think they are).

On the contrary. I hope they're smart enough to have an instinct of self-preservation. ;)

I think we could scare the aliens away with mass public displays of deviant sexual habits.

[umair]

Jeez why the hub bub?
We have had Jack'O'Niel, Samantha Carter and Daniel Jackson kick the shit out of the various Goauld, Ori, Replicators, Asurans, Wraiths etc, for the better part of a decade now.
Viv le SGC!

[martitrmartitr]

I might be of the opinion that darwinism do not favor the kind of intelligens we posses, and which might lead to interstellar travel.

On the other hand, I have allways had an idea about an alien invasion where theire weapons are ineffectual and theire size perfect for my 9 iron.

[eckherl]

Wait what? You're kidding right?

On a sidenote I think we could scare the aliens away with mass public displays of deviant sexual habits.

If we con them into going to San Francisco California that very well may happen.:onfloorl:

[Ibizan Hound]

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/17368/UFO_caused_SU_30_crash_at_Paris_Airshow/

[Waylander]

That's the problem with the US.
They are not as got at this like the euros.

We can send them to Amsterdam or some other town size red light district.
There you go... :D

[Humanoid]

I hate to rain on anyones parade, but, to think we are worthwhile enemies for any supposedly vast and superior race to worry about, makes us foolish.

If you think about it, we're on a tiny planet, in a tiny solar system, tucked in the backwaters of one of millions of galaxies that we can see, with a small young star. What in the world would be the draw for an intelligent species such as our LGM's featured in this discussion to use the resources to travel all the way here just to destroy what would be to them a backward's species who can't even leave their solar system?

Just sayin...it's good to have a light-hearted thread though :D

[Feanor]

If we con them into going to San Francisco California that very well may happen.:onfloorl:

Or Santa Cruz (where I currently am).... it's scary sometimes.... :(

[StingrayOZ]

I don't think any invading alien force will be far above our technical level.

If you are already far above our technical level, why even bother with earth, you will be tapping off energy from black holes, stars etc. Or perhaps they have even worked out how to make a stable equilibrum with their resources. Or tapping into our solar systems resources that we don't even know about yet..

If we ever have to fight the aliens from space, I think we will find they will be of a simular technology level to us. Otherwise they wouldn't have to fight us at all.

[crobato]

You need fighters that has a back seat where you got guys carrying Macbooks that hack into alien systems, within WiFi range of course.

Seriously, if an intelligent race would attack this planet, the planet is the prize itself. They won't do anything to destroy it, damage the atmosphere, water or eco systems by using some means of mass destruction. For mass destruction, there is a very simple way, take an asteroid and just drive it to Earth. But you don't want to do that.

Blue, water born planets like Earth may be considered rare and thus valuable prices. Next to that, is life and most especially intelligent life. I am not likely to think that you would use climate change as a weapon as that can also run the ecosystems. Humanity alive maybe of better use alive to the aliens than extinct.

Of course this is all very sci-fi.

Seriously, the most likely "alien" threat we might face is biological, like microbes that hitch on meteors and somehow survive reentry. There is a theory that suggests that we face new forms of microbes and viruses from space, which results in new forms of viruses that we are ill equipped to counter (SARS, new forms of flu and cold, Bird's Flu, etc,.)

[Alatien]

Why would aliens want to destroy us?

Well, the first images RF signal that they will get will be 1936 Olympics in Berlin (first strong RF transmission) with all Nazi parades, and all that followed. And then it gets better! Transmissions of nuclear tests, and suicidal Cold War. I bet by then the aliens were hoping that Cold will turn hot and that, they will never have to meet our loving and hospitable race... That was alien hope until they received our cheerful "hurray" following Apollo 11... ;)


Lets be a bit simplistic and say that in universe there are two types of aliens:

Good - ones that know no war, have evolved in peace, or have learned to love and respect peace. Imagine how much we must terrify them? And scared people can be rush to act... I am sure they could reinvent hydrogen bombs and bio-weapons under such impulse.

Bad - if they are bad, we dont even need to think of the reasons... They would just destroy us, and fest on our delicious hides... It would be like expanding western American frontier and buffaloes all over again.


Either way, not much hope... ;)

[YellowFever]

Why would aliens want to destroy us?


Celine Dion and The Jonahs Brothers

[Todjaeger]

Celine Dion and The Jonahs Brothers

Funny, I was thinking of Barney and the Tele-tubbies

-Cheers

[Ananda]

Just watching Triller on the new star trek...Thatsss Coollll......Wish I have another century or so..so perhaps can see that coming....It's still crappy world..but with Hyperspace capabilities...welll the universe really is opeen...:):)

Haven't find anything related to Hyperspace drive though....But with nothing that human can envisage only can travel a friction og light speed...just wondering if collectively human kind must invest on finding hyperspace capabilities..
Well it's better than finding solution to global warming, economic recession...we should bring our collective belligerence to the stars...:onfloorl:

When that's happen...well ALIENs...better watchouts...the most belligerence species is coming to play...:D

[OPSSG]

Funny, I was thinking of Barney and the Tele-tubbies

I wasn't thinking about Barney but I was thinking about the Tele-tubbies. I'm always fascinated by the 'sun' in the Tele-tubbies.

[old faithful]

if aliens attack us, it will be for our own good. they will over throw our opressive governments, and replace them with governments THEY like. Introduce us to new music and culture from their home land, and open up a sting of intergalactic fast food chains, and intergalictic cola drinks...:rolleyes:

we will then fight them for years, calling our selves ThELP...The Earth Liberation Party or something like that, and attack them while they are at their most vunarable, with suicide attacks etc etc etc...

[crobato]

I was thinking of something you can use that sounds technologically plausible like say, you can use to write science fiction.

Lets say the invading alien species isn't as God like advanced. Assuming their technologies are not that advanced, their characters should be more Darwinistic and petty, rather than aloof, godlike or omnipotent.

Even against an alien species of lesser caliber, human kind faces a distinct disadvantage of physics. Alien kind can wipe out all our satellites one by one, then ring the world with their own. A variety of projectiles and beams can be rained upon our cities, stationary bases, even our aircraft carriers. An entire CVBG can be vaporized if something like the Tunguska explosion happens right on top of it. So will our concept of conventional warfare, just like that.

Escaping from death from the sky, humankind quickly spreads away from the centralized population centers and goes underground. Or underwater. There goes factories as well. We launch fighters using underground catapults, and if they land, it would have to be vertical, and for fighters we will probably rely more and more on robotic UCAVs than human controlled ones. We gradually move away from larger surface ships, to smaller and faster surface ships playing a game of naval asymmetric warfare, and to submarines where we launch our counterattacks with a flood of ballistic anti-orbital missiles from SSBNs. Those on the ground surface fight a guerrilla war, often using low tech weapons that can be mass produced under technologically challenged conditions, like RPGs, IEDs and AK-47s and using whatever devices that have survived the onslaught like cars and SUVs.

[Jissy]

actually,
the best and simplest method initially, would be to send rockets loaded with ball bearings to detonate at differing levels around orbit, then anything coming into our world will get drilled by a million ballbearings, it would also work against 'them' setting up their own satellites...as long as we get to the launch part...

[Ibizan Hound]

How well are our air forces prepared and equipped to counter Alien Space and air attacks..(In case they attack..)
I think it is perfectly ok to discuss it for educative purposes...
The the probability of an alien encounter is real and as good as the probability of nuclear exchange between the two superpowers...
Please dont think this as a crazy thread...we have to prepare for everything if we want to survive as a species in the long term...

US Warplanes Repel ‘Mysterious’ Attack On Washington D.C.


A most curious report from Russian Space Forces (VKS) circulating in the Kremlin today states that over 75 United States Air Force Warplanes engaged in a battle off the Eastern Coast of the US to repel 5 ‘unidentified’ aircraft said streaking towards their capital city of Washington D.C. at Mach 1 speeds and which saw the loss of 2 US Fighter Jets of as yet ‘unknown’ type.

Russia’s Space Command constantly monitors US Air Force activities over North America from which this report derives from, but which has been further confirmed by reports emanating from the United States today, and as we can read:

The Raptor was a CASUALTY in the 1st battle in Muroc(Edwards Airforce Base) in the previous battle.

[Misguided Fool]

http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Tachyon.html

IF tachyons exist, not only can aliens travel to us at way faster than the speed of light, but they can also go back in time to change us without even realising!

For all we know, our hands might be a strange perversion of a 11 fingered 2 poisonous jabber structure that existed before it was evilly perverted by these time travelling aliens!

We really have no way to escape our fate, as even committing mass suicide won't stop us becoming slaves to the infinite powah of the alien invaders, as they could go back in time and stop it happening!

We have to sit and wait. Be prepared. The time will come for the defense of our glorious planet, and even though regardless of what we do, we'll become slaves, it will be fun.

[Jissy]

http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Tachyon.html

IF tachyons exist, not only can aliens travel to us at way faster than the speed of light, but they can also go back in time to change us without even realising!

For all we know, our hands might be a strange perversion of a 11 fingered 2 poisonous jabber structure that existed before it was evilly perverted by these time travelling aliens!

We really have no way to escape our fate, as even committing mass suicide won't stop us becoming slaves to the infinite powah of the alien invaders, as they could go back in time and stop it happening!

We have to sit and wait. Be prepared. The time will come for the defense of our glorious planet, and even though regardless of what we do, we'll become slaves, it will be fun.

Unless, of course, we are taken over by a gigantic intergalactic fast food company, and "human slushies' become the new interstellar rage!
Glug Glug!

Now, I wonder, those who say, "I for one welcome the new overlords" would say about that development?

And while I toy with this hypothesis, in an imaginative way; why would any human believe the assurances of an alien race; that our species will be protected, particularly during a possible mass extinction event?

Surely, that would be the easiest ploy to use? They fool us into providing them with safe Earth bound harbour, by sharing some of their technology and the promise that they will save a limited amount of humans...(from the upcoming 'naturally occuring' mass extinction event). Not a bad ploy, as it avoids widespread and constant 'run ins' with our (comparatively) low tech but still dangerous weaponry and allows 'them', (lets call them "Greys" or "EBEs"), to clear the planet without pesky resistance?

cheers and pleasant dreams...

[swift240]

How well are our air forces prepared and equipped to counter Alien Space and air attacks..(In case they attack..)
I think it is perfectly ok to discuss it for educative purposes...
The the probability of an alien encounter is real and as good as the probability of nuclear exchange between the two superpowers...
Please dont think this as a crazy thread...we have to prepare for everything if we want to survive as a species in the long term...

Right for one, if such a thing was to take place upon our Earth, then there are a few things that has not come up before like:-

1. Aliens would be far more advanced than us.
2. There tecknology would be far superior.
3. They would not be afraid of any kind of nuclear weapon that we have.
4. I expect that we would be subject to a weapon that we have no idea of or how to prevent its distruction against us.
5. We would no doubt have the world unite and humans being good at what we do, we would result to every dirty low down tactic we could think of.
6. Do we fight to the end providing we can do so?
7. Will other countries lay down arms to a greater superior force, in the hope they would be spared?
8. This is when the greatest idea's come out when our back are up against the wall as in WW2.
9. What are the chances of another Alien race coming along to protect us, has any one thought of that?
10. The alien's that may attack are they a despised species by others in the universe?
11. What do they want? us out of the way?
12. Do they need a few of us left for any reason?
13. What is the chances of us winning? taking into account human endurance and the human spirit.
14. Would the world forces give up after the first initial attack?
15. There would be some underground resistance, I for one would join that.
16. Would we use nuclear weapons knowing that is the most powerful weapon to date that we have, in the hope we would do some real damage to them.
17. Who is the churches of the world going to blame? where would there God be then?
18. Is there a God then would we be taught a tuff lesson on this Earth to all pull together for a change instead of fighting each other?
19. For all we know and its not open, but we may already be in touch with aliens of some kind already on or under this Earth.
20. If we are then it may not be going our way, as we would want.
21. If we are then it may not be going the way THEY want.
22. If the day does ever come while I am alive, then I would attempt to get over the shock of it, and join an underground resistance of some kind.
23. Have we actually thought it may be the sort of attack where we all go in one blow.
24. I know full well this has been talked about in many countries by many armed forces, what is there way to handle this?
25. There would be a world break down on social behavior.
26. The churches over night would lose all power.
27. I fully expect this has already been talked about and there are already bunkers under ground for such an event, and not just nuclear war from other countries.
28. There would be mass suicide's from cults all over the world
29. You would not go around the streets like normal.
30 The chances of us actually surviving will be in the hands of fate, and then hopefully we will have some sort of destiny on this Earth. But a better one that we have now.

Mike.

[swift240]

Putting the usual 'hilarity response' aside, this is a serious question for all of mankind.
Firstly, to imagine that we are the only 'intelligent' beings in the universe is far more laughable than to consider that there are many alien races technologically far superior to our own.

The history of science is littered with blinkered, insular and short sighted bigoted views which, after proper scientific study have been proved wrong, like the "flat Earth" theory, for one.

I posit the following arguments;

We are not alone.
We are not the most technologically advanced.
We are in contact with Alien races.
The general public is subjected to disinformation policies.

Evidence: I have seen two UFOs at very close range, with witnesses.

At least two astronauts have publically declared they know Alien UFOs exist.
I have seen NASA film of UFO interaction with a space shuttle in orbit and film of a NASA mission in orbit where the astronaut shows what is out the porthole, and it isn't one of ours!

Add to this;
the Brazil and French governments have opened there once closed files on UFOs, and now there is an international effort currently at work, involving ex-NASA, ex-military, scientists and other government officials who are publically demanding governments tell the public what they already now, that being, we ARE ALREADY IN CONTACT.

Finally,
think of this;
if you were a technologically far superior race, visiting a far inferior one still developing, wouldn't you carefully and slowly exammine the new race, while trying to keep a low profile? And, if the Alien presence was war minded, what better way to conquer, (if that was the intention), than to quietly assimilate, by co-evolution and cross breeding, rather than opening up a constant global conflict, all the while appeasing the governments in the most powerful positions globally by handing out some technology?

Finally, the greatest danger is to believe the disinformation, and treat it all as a joke.

My prediction; we will all know, for sure, in the coming few years, as nations break ranks with the USA, and reveal the truth.

When it happens, don't be afraid, remember, they have not just arrived, they have been here a very long time!

I reply to the line that you typed "We are not alone"

I fully agree with you, I see it this way:-

It is mathematically impossible for us "HumanRace" to be the only life form in the entire universe.
If we exist then we can not rule out any other life form can we?

Are we so arrogant as to believe we are?

Mike.

[Gremlin29]

I don't discount the possibility of life "out there" somewhere, I'm convinced of it. That being said, I don't think "they" are coming here. Of the countless billions of potential galaxies to consider for exploration, ours is so small and in the corner of the known universe it is highly unlikely an intelligent race would choose our dim little corner as the best prospect for finding life....that's just my opinon.

As for UFO sightings, there are plenty of them. The operative word being Unidentified. Just because an object is unidentifiable hardly means it's alien. Why would an alien craft emit visible light at night? The only reason our aircraft have lights is so that they can see each other to avoid collision. The military doesn't fly around with lights on in a tactical situation, why would these supreme beings do so if they are trying to be stealthy? And with the millions, perhaps 100's of millions of sightings why have we yet to see unquestionable photographic evidence of all these spaceships? I'm just saying....

UFO's go in the same chapter of my book as bigfoot, the yeti, mermaids, ghosts and the Loch Ness monster. :cool:

[old faithful]

I don't discount the possibility of life "out there" somewhere, I'm convinced of it. That being said, I don't think "they" are coming here. Of the countless billions of potential galaxies to consider for exploration, ours is so small and in the corner of the known universe it is highly unlikely an intelligent race would choose our dim little corner as the best prospect for finding life....that's just my opinon.

As for UFO sightings, there are plenty of them. The operative word being Unidentified. Just because an object is unidentifiable hardly means it's alien. Why would an alien craft emit visible light at night? The only reason our aircraft have lights is so that they can see each other to avoid collision. The military doesn't fly around with lights on in a tactical situation, why would these supreme beings do so if they are trying to be stealthy? And with the millions, perhaps 100's of millions of sightings why have we yet to see unquestionable photographic evidence of all these spaceships? I'm just saying....

UFO's go in the same chapter of my book as bigfoot, the yeti, mermaids, ghosts and the Loch Ness monster. :cool:

shouldnt be to hard to defend against their "high tech weather balloon type craft"!
I agree that their is probably life out there, bacteria,plant life, maybe even human, but I dont believe that they are visiting us....

[Jissy]

I reply to the line that you typed "We are not alone"

I fully agree with you, I see it this way:-

It is mathematically impossible for us "HumanRace" to be the only life form in the entire universe.
If we exist then we can not rule out any other life form can we?

Are we so arrogant as to believe we are?

Mike.

Quite right Mike,
it is supreme arrogance to suggest we are the only life form capable of technological advancement.

I am firmly of the belief that we have been in direct contact with other races for many years. And as for the nay sayers here, there are a great many scientists and military, even astronauts, who support this view .

There is plenty of film available for scrutiny, and as I have stated before, some of this film was shot by astronauts and military. Just for the record, a UFO is indeed stating that something "unidentified" has been seen. But that title also means, all possible 'earthly' explanation for the recorded craft has eliminated, hence the 'unidentified' moniker.

Around eight to ten percent of all still film and photography of alleged UFO craft cannot be explained and also passes all the tests for validity, (not faked). Observations of these unusual craft entail not just their unusual appearance and lack of exothermic thrust, but their silent motion, incredible acceleration, agility and speed.

These days, many of these sightings may well prove to be highly top secret military craft. However, more and more scientists, astronauts and other government specialists claim there is an alien race presence and we are in contact.

cheers

jissy

[swift240]

Quite right Mike,
it is supreme arrogance to suggest we are the only life form capable of technological advancement.

I am firmly of the belief that we have been in direct contact with other races for many years. And as for the nay sayers here, there are a great many scientists and military, even astronauts, who support this view .

There is plenty of film available for scrutiny, and as I have stated before, some of this film was shot by astronauts and military. Just for the record, a UFO is indeed stating that something "unidentified" has been seen. But that title also means, all possible 'earthly' explanation for the recorded craft has eliminated, hence the 'unidentified' moniker.

Around eight to ten percent of all still film and photography of alleged UFO craft cannot be explained and also passes all the tests for validity, (not faked). Observations of these unusual craft entail not just their unusual appearance and lack of exothermic thrust, but their silent motion, incredible acceleration, agility and speed.

These days, many of these sightings may well prove to be highly top secret military craft. However, more and more scientists, astronauts and other government specialists claim there is an alien race presence and we are in contact.

cheers

jissy

Well I wander what the reasoning is for the world governments to deny there existance is?
It would be a better idea to educate the rest of us witht the truth that yes they are indeed here and have been for a while we are in contact and this is the reason for it.

But no they keep us all like we are to stupid to understand the truth.
If it is a reason that they don't want to rock the boat then I suppose I can understand that.

but lets face it they cant keep this under wraps for ever and ever.
At some point it will be known world wide then what?

Well lets look at it this way shall we :-

1. They either will do us harm
2. They will not do us harm

3. The governments right now are doing some sort of deal for tecknology.
4. We are all on a need to know basis and we DONT need to know.
5. Has the governments put them selv's on such an arrogant level that they think they can handle any thing?

6. I really do believe that they wont be able to keep the lid on this for ever.
7. Are they scared of a backlash from the rest of us, when we find out we know?
8. Well when it all does come out I think the Catholic church will see a sudden downfall, perhaps more truth will come out than THEY want.

On a personal level I have had certain experiences in my life as to know myself that aliens do exist, but my big mistake was to tell some one only to find I was laughed at and made to look a total fool at the end of it, yes ignorance is rife.

Mike.

[Jissy]

Well I wander what the reasoning is for the world governments to deny there existance is?
It would be a better idea to educate the rest of us witht the truth that yes they are indeed here and have been for a while we are in contact and this is the reason for it.

But no they keep us all like we are to stupid to understand the truth.
If it is a reason that they don't want to rock the boat then I suppose I can understand that.

but lets face it they cant keep this under wraps for ever and ever.
At some point it will be known world wide then what?

Well lets look at it this way shall we :-

1. They either will do us harm
2. They will not do us harm

3. The governments right now are doing some sort of deal for tecknology.
4. We are all on a need to know basis and we DONT need to know.
5. Has the governments put them selv's on such an arrogant level that they think they can handle any thing?

6. I really do believe that they wont be able to keep the lid on this for ever.
7. Are they scared of a backlash from the rest of us, when we find out we know?
8. Well when it all does come out I think the Catholic church will see a sudden downfall, perhaps more truth will come out than THEY want.

On a personal level I have had certain experiences in my life as to know myself that aliens do exist, but my big mistake was to tell some one only to find I was laughed at and made to look a total fool at the end of it, yes ignorance is rife.

Mike.

Mike,
I suspect a lot of juvenile reactions, like you have had when you opened up about your own experiences, are because a lot of people find it scary and confronting to admit that we, the human race, are not on top of the technological tree.

However, having dealt with a number of people who have had experiences with UFOs and contactees, I know we do have some advantages over the visitors (particularly the 'Greys'); that being our free will and our spiritual self, that individual energy that makes us who we are.

Gradually more openess about the subject will happen, and less ridicule; already some newspapers are being more accepting and open minded in Australia.

cheers

jissy

[swift240]

Mike,
I suspect a lot of juvenile reactions, like you have had when you opened up about your own experiences, are because a lot of people find it scary and confronting to admit that we, the human race, are not on top of the technological tree.

However, having dealt with a number of people who have had experiences with UFOs and contactees, I know we do have some advantages over the visitors (particularly the 'Greys'); that being our free will and our spiritual self, that individual energy that makes us who we are.

Gradually more openess about the subject will happen, and less ridicule; already some newspapers are being more accepting and open minded in Australia.

cheers

jissy

Hi Jissy,
Can I ask, how long do you think the greys have been here? What do you think they are doing here? Do you think they would help defend us?

These questions really, I ask myself a lot.

Mike.

[hsl]

I have to agree with the writer of this article (http://knol.google.com/k/thomas-deflo/off-planet-infiltration/ibo34n8xv1r1/6#) that extraterrestrial invasions of Earth would probably be done in a soft way: by infiltrating us.

[Jissy]

Hi Jissy,
Can I ask, how long do you think the greys have been here? What do you think they are doing here? Do you think they would help defend us?

These questions really, I ask myself a lot.

Mike.

Hi Mike,

this is an extremely complex issue. There is a lot of organized (govt. dept.) disinformation about, and a whole bunch of people pretending they have something to say about it, but only if you pay them! Then there are scientists and other professionals who speak of the situation too. And then there are people who just need to know, for various reasons. I can only speak of my personal experiences and try to understand what I have been told by contactees.

Firstly, I am unsure how long the 'Greys", or EBEs, or whatever term is current, have been in contact with us. I suspect a lot longer than 60 years. According to some researchers, we are known to quite a few peoples, and some don't have travel very far to get here.

However, the little I have learned is this; USA, Britain, Russia, Canadia, Australia, France and Brazil Governments have (autonomous) squads to deal with contact and recovery etc. There are probably a lot more governments who have had contact as well.

So, to answer your question simply is not really possible, but , I would go by a basic gut feeling, if they look like us, then they are probably of the same genetic stock and not likely to cause undue harm, maybe even benefit us. The 'Greys' or EBEs, or whatever reference they use now, are not necessarily looking out for our best interests, in the long term. There is also talk of a genetic assimilation programme.

But know this, we have a strong energy, life force, soul, call it whatever you like, and using our belief systems, to create mental imagery and meditate upon that spiritual image creates a force, which may help you directly, and collectively some say, that global 'spiritual' force would be something to reckon with.. That is a good way to go.

Practise meditation; Tibetan monks are good for this, they will teach you a protecting mantra and give you an image to visualise with. Try it, you can always stop if it doesn't work for you.

Cheers Mike,
jissy

[rossfrb_1]

Someone name a movie or scifi book in which aliens on earth are actually defeated by conventional, pre-existing military means. Including nukes. Cuz i can't think of any. At all. And that's quite an achievement.

Edit: mmm - John Carpenter's "They Live", 1988? Although that wasn't military...


Independence day - once the alien shields were disabled - via a virus introduced thru a mac notebook, volleys of amraams proved effective:)

Independence Day (1996) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116629/)

rb

[dragonfire]

Well how about if there alies with bad intentions against us there would be aliens who would be able to help us and fend off the oppressors as well. If one sees it in the way this planet runs now, there's a US who will support a Kuwait against an Iraq, likewise am sure there is a do-good alien race(s) who will help us in our time of need.

Also why would aliens want to destroy us when they can easily use us for outsourcing their non-core activities ;) (you know the less tehnologicaly challenging ones which we humans can handle). And therez a new market for their products for which we will generate a lot of 'credits' for them :D