Small Arms

[JTF-2 HOPE]

Here is my thread for small Arms.

Specs and Pictures.

Just have to wait for a few hours when I am free. :)

[elkaboingo]

sorry, but my laziness has caused others work :(

Steyre Aug:

field stripped
http://remtek.com/arms/steyr/aug/specs/group.gif

http://remtek.com/arms/steyr/augmap1.jpg

Fabrique Nationale P90:

http://remtek.com/arms/fn/p90/p90map.gif

http://www.rkba.org/guns/principles/images/p90.jpg

Glock Pistol:

http://remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/17/17b.gif

Sig pro 226 pistol:

http://remtek.com/arms/sig/model/226/226a.gif

Heckler and Koch G3 Assualt Rife:

http://remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/g3/g3a3.gif

Heckler and Koch Mp5

http://remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/mp5/choice/mp5.gif

Steyr SSG

http://remtek.com/arms/steyr/ssg/p1.gif

G3 Assualt Rifle with Scope

http://hem.passagen.se/mrblack/g3sg1.jpg


Admin: All you have to do is COPY and PASTE.

[WebMaster]

Elkaboingo, I hope thats better? :D

[farina]

http://www.rkba.org/guns/principles/images/p90.jpg

[/color]

Is this made in Pakistan? :eek I didn't know pakistan made these types of guns too! :o Where are the specs???

[elkaboingo]

you have done my work for me :D it took me an hour to post all those.

[dabrownguy]

Pak doesn't make that SubM belguim does.

[elkaboingo]

its of belgium design (FN) but we make it under license.

[Red aRRow]

Man I just love that FN P-90. Never used it though. Fav gun from the ones I have used >>> MP-5...Kicks major ass. :ar15

[umair]

Forget the rest G-3 is the best! :smokingc:
:germany :pak :gun

[elkaboingo]

you cant compare those three guns though, different roles...

[gf0012-aust]

Anyone used the P-90? It hasn't been accepted that well outside of France.
I think it might have been submitted as part of the Aust militaries request prev. We ended up with the Steyr, and then modified it. (and then destroyed some of the inherent dynamics in the gun, so had to fix it again!)

IIRC we have .22 versions of the Steyr which we use for some training roles. Not a lot of kick in a .22 Bullpup - unless its a magnum round, then it feels like a 9mm.

It's an interesting looking weapon though.

[dabrownguy]

Wait a minute does Pak army use the Bullpup? or is it civilin?

[gf0012-aust]

Wait a minute does Pak army use the Bullpup? or is it civilin?

Doesn't Pakistan use the AK? Definitely not a bullpup.

OTOH, if you are a civilian and you have a Bullpup in your house, then you're either in the Swiss army or living in the US. Bullies aren't your standard gun for purchase in a normal civilian gun shop. Milforce usage only.

[Red aRRow]

Some units in the Pakistan Army use the Steyr Aug (Bullpup design) which is made under license inside Pakistan.

Here is proof :D
http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/albums/userpics/normal_UT0121613.jpg

[JTF-2 HOPE]

Wait a minute does Pak army use the Bullpup? or is it civilin?

Doesn't Pakistan use the AK? Definitely not a bullpup.

OTOH, if you are a civilian and you have a Bullpup in your house, then you're either in the Swiss army or living in the US. Bullies aren't your standard gun for purchase in a normal civilian gun shop. Milforce usage only.

Pakistan Army uses a variety of small arms, including G-3, M4A1, Styr AUG,
MP-5, and so on... AK-47 or type 57 is becoming a thing of past.

[gf0012-aust]

Wait a minute does Pak army use the Bullpup? or is it civilin?

Doesn't Pakistan use the AK? Definitely not a bullpup.

OTOH, if you are a civilian and you have a Bullpup in your house, then you're either in the Swiss army or living in the US. Bullies aren't your standard gun for purchase in a normal civilian gun shop. Milforce usage only.

Pakistan Army uses a variety of small arms, including G-3, M4A1, Styr AUG,
MP-5, and so on... AK-47 or type 57 is becoming a thing of past.

JTF-2 HOPE, Shamayel.

Thanks guys, I knew about the MP5's, M16's and G3's, but I didn't realise that they played with the Steyr's. Learnt something new!

(the ref to "definitely not a bullpup" was that the AK was not a bullpup)

what do the Pakistani naval combat guys use (the pakistani equivalent of the SBS or SEALs?)

[umair]

The naval SSG Gary uses the StyreAug,saw it in a documentary sometime back.They also use the MP-5.
Oh one more thing I saw a picture of a G3 in some army publication at my uncle's house.
This G-3 had a magzine enlarged length wise,which made me infer that this magazine carries 30 rounds instead of the usual 20.Also it featured a laser sight and scope and a grenade launcher thingy.Must be one of the local G3 variants.Looked it up in my Janes small arms and assault rifle guide but could'nt find it.

[Aussie Digger]

Here's the new Australian Army 0.50 Calibre Sniper rifle: http://www.defence.gov.au/army/equipment/images/5amr2.jpg . I'll try and dig up some photo's of the rest of our current small arms. Cheers.

[Red aRRow]

Holy CRAP!!! I love those anti material rifles dude. Is that baby made in OZ or did they import it??

Oh and You´re welcome GF.

[Red aRRow]

Here is a Swedish SF guy with a Barret.

http://www.specwarnet.com/europe/SwedishSOF7_Arctic_ranger_Barret.jpg


and here is a Pakistani Anti Narcotics Force operator with one:

http://pro.corbis.com/images/JR005215.jpg?size=67&uid={077543c7-9fcb-42a9-a943-c0dc8810a51b}

[Aussie Digger]

http://www.defence.gov.au/opcitadel/images/gallery/191103/ASNCE16OCT03SP26_lo.jpg

Here's a good shot of the new F88 Austeyr - M203 Combo.

[Aussie Digger]

http://www.defence.gov.au/opcitadel/images/gallery/191103/ASNCE16OCT03SP28_lo.jpg

An image of the F88 fitted with the 3.5x "Wildcat" scope.

[Aussie Digger]

http://www.defence.gov.au/opcitadel/images/gallery/191103/ASNCE16OCT02SP19_lo.jpg

The current F89 Minimi Light support Weapon (light machine gun). These are issued on the basis of 2 per infantry section. A nice gun to fire...

[Aussie Digger]

http://www.defence.gov.au/opcatalyst/images/gallery/141103c/JPAU14NOV03KN02_lo.jpg

Here you can see the latest version of the M72 LAW rocket as used (still) by the Australian Army. This is the A6 version that has recently been manufactured. It's 75cms longer than the "old" version's of the M72 and has a much bigger warhead and a longer range, same old 66mm calibre though.

[Aussie Digger]

http://www.geocities.com/landofsnipers/Assets/Weapons/AWL69A1.jpg

Here's Australia's new sniper rifle. We call it the SR-98 and it is a modifed version of the Accuracy International AW 7.62mm sniper rifle. Our sniper cell was just getting this rifle before I left the recon platoon...

[Aussie Digger]

http://www.geocities.com/landofsnipers/Assets/Weapons/HecateII.jpg

A better shot of the 50cal sniper rifle.

[Red aRRow]

Nice pics Digger.

[gf0012-aust]

Dig, was the Minimi shot taken in Darwin? The trooper looks like he's wearing a Unafet Cap.

[Aussie Digger]

Nope, in Timor on the Border. I don't know what's up with the pics, you can see them if you click on them, they just don't show up here for some reason. Cheers.

[JTF-2 HOPE]

Damn anti-material rifles can really be harmfull to
even the heaviest armoured soldiers.

[gf0012-aust]

Nope, in Timor on the Border. I don't know what's up with the pics, you can see them if you click on them, they just don't show up here for some reason. Cheers.

the vertical shot of a dig with a minimi photo down reminded me of a place I worked at in darwin - see aerials in top left. :)

[elkaboingo]

Damn anti-material rifles can really be harmfull to
even the heaviest armoured soldiers.

it is harmful to armoured cars as well!

while on the same topic, how about some more pics of antimaterial:

12.7mm sniper rifle:

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/ksvk.jpg

a cg of another 12.7mm:
http://www.baconbomb.com/vympel/screens/713_v94_01.jpg

south african 20mm
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/ntw20_2.jpg


Also it featured a laser sight
why would they have a laser sight in a g3 :? g3 is long range and a laser sight is for close range. :( [/img]

[elkaboingo]

here is a steyr aug in the hands of a police man

http://cache.corbis.com/CorbisImage/thumb/14/18/74/14187462/UT0114237.jpg

[Aussie Digger]

http://www.expeditionexchange.com/action6/JPAU03AUG02AR04.jpg

Continuing my series of in service Aussie Weapons, here is the Mag 58 as fitted to an SASR Long Range Patrol Vehicle (on Active Service in Afganistan). The MAG 58 is used in the direct fire support role within the Direct fire support weapons platoon of an Infantry Battalion. There is some talk of re-introducing this weapon at Section Level to boost section firepower but it hasn't happened yet.

[Red aRRow]

6 wheeled land rover??...Haven't seen one before. :eek

[gf0012-aust]

6 wheeled land rover??...Haven't seen one before. :eek

They were a custom job. I actually worked on that project for a year. The chassis has been widened, they use an Isuzu 3.9L diesel. The US SpecForces guys loved them as well. I'd even trade in my old range rover for one of them!

they'll be popular when they go to auction in a few years time.

if you look closely at the digger in the first photo you'll see a troop carrier version in the background.

I sent some pics to Winter, so maybe he can post a few up if he gets time.

[Aussie Digger]

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m3-maws.jpg

This is a shot of the Carl Gustav Short range anti-armour weapon used by Australian Infantry Battalions, Armoured Recon Units, Air Defence Guards and Special forces. A powerful weapon with a massive backblast...[/img]

[Red aRRow]

Nice pics. By the way in the 6 wheeled landy... is the drive going to the rear four wheels or is it 6 wheel drive??? :)

[Aussie Digger]

Further up the fire support chain the Australian Army uses 81mm Mortars to provide integral fire support for Infantry, Armoured Recon units and Special forces.

Here's a great shot of the mortar platoon from my old battalion live firing in East Timor (Illumination rounds only I'm afraid).This is believed to be the first time (Australian) Mortars have been fired on Ops since vietnam.

http://www.defence.gov.au/news/armynews/editions/1041/images/009.jpg

[Aussie Digger]

The Land Rovers are 6 wheel drive as I understand it, they have a double differential setup, though GF can probably elaborate...

[Aussie Digger]

Moving on the next weapon used by the Australian Army is the L119 Hamel 105mm gun. Due to be replaced by an 155mm Self propelled gun by 2008, maybe...

http://www.defence.gov.au/army/equipment/images/Hamel.jpg

[Aussie Digger]

Here is Australia's biggest (at present) gun, a true behemoth being 12m's long and weighing 7000kgs. Also due for replacement with SP guns. I wonder if they'll replace the Copperhead guided munition as well?

http://www.defence.gov.au/army/equipment/images/M198-a.jpg

[gf0012-aust]

Nice pics. By the way in the 6 wheeled landy... is the drive going to the rear four wheels or is it 6 wheel drive??? :)

It's a 6wd. power and drive to the third axle is by a separate propellor shaft taking power from the transfer-case power take-off point.

[Red aRRow]

Thanks GF.
Digger....I think the last two pics certainly don't count as "small arms". :D :D

[Aussie Digger]

No, not really, but I was so close to finishing my impromptu series on "Australia's Small Arms" that I thought I'd chuck them in anyway. I'll understand if they're moved.

[gf0012-aust]

A-D, have you got any sidearms shots in the library?

[Aussie Digger]

wait one, I had one here before...

[Aussie Digger]

The standard issue Australian Military sidearm; the L9A1 Browning High power 9mm pistol. Soon to be replaced by a new (and as yet unannounced) Pistol. I'm thinking something like the H&K USP will be chosen. The army will want a reliable9mm or perhaps 0.40S&W Cal pistol, that has a "double action" capability and a manual safety. They would go for a Glock (which SASR uses sometimes along with Sig Sauer pistols and updated Brownings) except for the lack of a manual safety...

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/browning_hp_1.jpg

Here's a 4RAR Commando in Iraq armed with the Browning:

http://www.expeditionexchange.com/action7/P1010059.jpg

And here's a Queensland Police Service (my current employer) issue Glock 22

http://members.optusnet.com.au/wyleex/img/glock22.gif

Cheers.

[umair]

Well mate! those" Aussie Annies"(twist on the (in)famous German Anzio Anny) can't be moved only deleted.So I guess they can stay here. :D

[JTF-2 HOPE]

http://www.hk-usa.com/images/g36fullmain.jpg
G-36 Rifle. :)
http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/G36krail.jpg
G-36 K
http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/g36crt.jpg
G-36C
http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/xm8_rightmed.jpg
XM8.. The future American rifle

[JTF-2 HOPE]

SiG Small Arms.

http://people.zeelandnet.nl/maiden/Allsig.jpg
http://www.varusteleka.fi/aselista/sig552.jpg
(SiG SG)


http://world.guns.ru/assault/sig551.jpg
http://remtek.com/arms/sig/551swat/551c.gif
http://remtek.com/arms/sig/551swat/551b.gif
http://remtek.com/arms/sig/551swat/551a.gif

[JTF-2 HOPE]

http://world.guns.ru/assault/m4a1.jpg
http://world.guns.ru/assault/m4m203.jpg
http://world.guns.ru/assault/m4a1an-pws4.jpg

[Aussie Digger]

Nice gats there. I noticed Arnold using the G36 in Terminator 3 and Al Pacino using the Sig Sauer rifle in the Street battle in "Heat".

[gf0012-aust]

Nice gats there. I noticed Arnold using the G36 in Terminator 3 and Al Pacino using the Sig Sauer rifle in the Street battle in "Heat".

Heat is a classic. One of the few movies (apart from Ronin) where they set contacts, covered mutual arcs and fell back properly. Still, seeing that the infamous Andy McNab was the tech advisor you would expect them to get it right.

[Aussie Digger]

You mean Andy Mcnob as he is universally known amongst Australian Soldiers? :) I actually feel a bit sorry for him. He is almost soley blamed over B20. In my view, he was the patrol commander of a patrol that didn't have a chance. 2 Other patrols went in at the same time (B10 and B30) and immediately bugged out. Yet he (in agreement with the rest of the troops) pushed on and tried to accomplish their mission. Anyone who spends 9 years in 22nd SAS and makes the rank of troop Sergeant is NOT a complete incompetent, despite what many people make out. Go and read Immediate Action if anyone thinks that. He successfully undertook (and led) numerous operations and even after the Gulf War remained on Active Service with 22nd SAS for another 2 years. Apparently the Regiment didn't think he did too bad a job either, otherwise he would have in his words, "been binned". Let's look at the problems they faced. 1. They were moving into a fairly flat (with occasional waddies) desert to conduct surveillance and route denial missions. They chose not to take vehicles (the biggest single mistake in my view). The only maps available were 1:10000 aerial maps!!! The premier Military unit in the world was supplied with aerial maps of the AOR!!! They were insufficiently equipped and they were provided with completely wrong intelligence (they in fact inserted right into the middle of an Iraqi Brigade) and worst of all their radio's were ill-suited to the conditions and they were provided with the wrong frequencies (a Signal Corp responsibility). And despite all this he is then blamed for the operation being ill-conceived. Well that's fine, however this Operation was sent to his Squadron Commander, the RSM, (the very Radcliffe who went on to bag McNab) the Regiment's Operations officer and the Regiment's CO. All of these VERY experienced and high ranking members of 22nd SAS approved this operation. Kinda paints McNab in a somewhat different light doesn't it? Maybe the author of "the real Bravo Two Zero" could have mentioned some of that in his book? However I doubt his intention was to set out to exculpate McNab... Good to see McNab's doing well for himself nowadays though.

[JTF-2 HOPE]

AK-74
http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/high/Im000021.jpg

http://www.ak-103.com/parts/ak74/ak741large.jpg
http://www.boomarms.com/collector/AK74-GP25/2.jpg
http://www.boomarms.com/collector/AK74-GP25/1.jpg
http://www.boomarms.com/collector/AK74-GP25/3.jpg
http://www.boomarms.com/collector/AK74-GP25/4.jpg
http://www.boomarms.com/collector/AK74-GP25/6.jpg


BEAUTIFUL! ;)


PS. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. :) (NRA has gun to my head) :D

[gf0012-aust]

Is the top one a Rumanian AK? One of the bottom ones looks like an Egyptian version of the AK

[JTF-2 HOPE]

I don't think so , and for the second one I don't think so.

[umair]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. (NRA has gun to my head)


In this case I recommend a lobotomy for the Kid Khan! :D :P :D2 ;)

[[TR]AHMET]

SARSILMAZ

http://www.sarsilmaz.com
http://www.sarsilmaz.com/eng/main.htm ENG

Professýonel
http://www.sarsilmaz.com/eng/products/kilinc2000/professional.jpg Here it is!

Caliber : 9x19 mm. Parabellum
Overall Length : 230 mm.
Overall Height : 145 mm.
Barrel Length : 130.95 mm.
Grip Width : 34 mm.
Weight : 1230 gr.
Magazine Capacity : 15+1
Number of Pieces : 63 pcs.
Speed (Bullet) : 360 m/sec. (±10 m/sec.)
Minimum Firing Life : 25.000 Rounds
Safety System : Safety Lever, Firing Pin Safety, Hammer Safety
Trigger Pull Weight : 1900 gr.(±500 gr.)
Trigger : Single Action, Adjustable
Rear Sight : Adjustable Rear Sight (maintains two sided movement on X, Y, axis)
Compensator : Barrel Penetrating Control System
Coating : Hard White Chrome
Engrave : Laser
Other : Rubber Grip

:turkey

[gf0012-aust]

Does this gun use the Colt 1911 mechanism? It looks very similar in slide configuration etc...

[highsea]

I was thinking it looked a lot like a CZ-75. The slide lock and safety configuration are the same, and the slide rails are on the inside of the frame rather than on the outside. No notch on the slide for the lock or safety, since the slide fits inside the frame instead of over it. Also, no external barrel bushing or guide rod. Even the grip has the same shape in the backstrap area.

-CM

[gf0012-aust]

I was thinking it looked a lot like a CZ-75. The slide lock and safety configuration are the same, and the slide rails are on the inside of the frame rather than on the outside. No notch on the slide for the lock or safety, since the slide fits inside the frame instead of over it. Also, no external barrel bushing or guide rod. Even the grip has the same shape in the backstrap area.

-CM

You'e probably closer to the mark than me. I was assuming that the guide rod was accessed after the slide was lifted.

[highsea]

It's hidden by the compensator in the picture, so you can't really tell. But it has a lot of CZ type features, that's for sure. Even the cutout inside the triggerguard is the same. Some CZ's did have an external barrel bushing, but the internal slide is the giveaway. Also CZ's were offered in SA as well as DA, and it was probably the most copied of all the comm-block pistols.

edit to add: I did a little looking and found this.

The CZ-75 pistol was developed by the Koucky brothers, who worked at the state-owned arms factory Ceska Zbrojovka in the city of Uhersky Brod (Czechoslovakia, now Czech republic). This full-size semiautomatic pistol first appeared in the 1975, and the production began circa 1976. CZ-75 was obviously intended for the export market. The CZ-75 accumulated best features from many preceding designs. Resulting pistol was aesthetically attractive, comfortable to handle and shoot, quite accurate and reliable in operation. Made by CZ in various versions and modifications, CZ-75 was also widely copied and cloned. Most popular of CZ-75 copies are (or were) made by: IMI (Jericho-941, Israel), Tanfoglio (TZ-75, TZ-90, T-95, Italy), Sarsilmaz (M2000, Turkey), ITM (AT-88, Swiss), Sphinx (mod.2000, Swiss), Norinco (NZ-75, China), Springfield (P9, USA).

http://www.modelguns.co.uk/cz75.htm

-CM

[[TR]AHMET]

155 mm 52 cal. Modern Towed Howitzer (PANTER)


http://www.mkek.gov.tr/images/155_mm_52_cal_moderrn_cekili_obus.jpg

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/albums/userpics/uzun_menzilli_top.jpg (http://www.defencetalk.com//pictures/displayimage.php?pos=-3347)

Technical Characteristics



Howitzer weight
14000 kg

Barrel length 52 calibre
Barrel inner diameter
155 mm

Barrel weight 2520 kg
Number of groove 48 pcs
Total length 11.6 m ( on road)
Total height 2.6 m
Total width 3.3 m
Chamber of Volume 23 lt
Range
M107
M549A1 (RAP)
ERFB / BASE BLEED
24 km
30 km
40 km
Motor type
Diesel

Motor power
110 Kw

Maximum elevation -3 / +69 degrees
Elevation adjustment
-53.0 / +1200 milyem

Approximate barrel life 1500 round
Rate of fire
Normal
Impact
Continuos

4 – 6 rounds / min
3 rounds in 15 sec
2 round / min

Motion speed
On paved road
On cross country
Towing speed

18 km / hour ( Automatic moved )14 km / hour (Automatic moved )
80 km /hour
Crew 5

:turkey

[Pathfinder-X]

Uhh...[TR]AHMET, I think this is a small arms thread, not big ass Howitzer.

http://www.diemaco.com/images/c7a2.gif
Canadian C7A2 rifle, many units have already received this upgraded version of C7A1. The overall weight is lighter and has a 4 position butt like the M4.

[[TR]AHMET]

MKEK

7.62 mm MG3 Machine Gun
http://www.mkek.gov.tr/images/762_mm_machine_gun.jpg
Technical Characteristics

Calibre 7,62 mm × 51 NATO
Rate of fire 1150 ± 150 rounds / min
Muzzle velocity 820 m / sec
Muzzle energy 3060 J
Overall length 1225 mm
Barrel length with locking piece 565 mm
Sight radius 430 mm
Weight of weapon 10500 g(without bipod-11500 g ( with bipod )
Range of sight 200 - 1200 m
Range 4000 m ( Maximum )
Effective range 1200 m
Type of fire Automatic

Performance
Full-automatic or pulse firing. The barrel is replaceable with its spare instantly after 250 rounds.







7.62 mm G3 A3 - G3 A4 Automatic Infantry Rifle
http://www.mkek.gov.tr/images/762_mm_g3_a3_automatic_infantry_rifle.jpg
Technical Characteristics

Calibre 7,62 mm × 51 NATO
Rate of fire 600 rounds / min
Muzzle velocity 800 m / sec
Muzzle energy 3000 J
Barrel length 450 mm
Sight radius 572 mm
Length of ( G3 A3 )
Length of ( G3 A4 ) 1020 mm
840 mm
Weight of ( G3 A3 )
Weight of ( G3 A4 ) 4400 g ( with empty magazine )
4700 g ( with empty magazine )
Weight of empty magazine 280 g
Range 3700 m ( Maximum )
Effective range 600 m ( With telescopic sight )
Sight range 200 - 400 m
Type of fire Semi - automatic and full automatic

Performance
A minimum capacity of 6000 rounds with 20 round magazine, single or burst fire.


5.56 mm HK 33 E Automatic Infantry Rifle

http://www.mkek.gov.tr/images/5.56mm_otomatik_piyade_tufegi.jpg

http://www.mkek.gov.tr/images/t40_hk_33_%20e_bombaatar.jpg
Technical Characteristics

Calibre 5,56 mm × 45 NATO
Rate of fire 750 rounds / min
Muzzle velocity 885 m / sec
Muzzle energy 1580 J
Barrel length 410 mm
Sight radius 480 mm
Length ( with fixed butt stock )
Length (with retractable butt stock) 920 mm
740 mm
Weight ( with fixed butt stock )
Weight ( with retractable butt stock ) 3900 g ( without magazine )
4000 g ( without magazine )
Magazine weight ( empty ) 270 g
Maximum Range 3800 m
Effective range 600 m ( with telescopic sight)
Sight range 200 - 300 - 400 m
Type of fire Semi - Automatic and full automatic

Performance
A minimum capacity of 8000 rounds with 30 round magazine, single , triple and burst fire.






9 mm MP5 A3 and MP5 K Submachine Gun
http://www.mkek.gov.tr/images/9mm_mp5.jpg
Technical Characteristics

Type MP5 A3 MP5 K
Calibre 9 mm x 19 ( Parabellum ) 9 mm × 19 ( Parabellum )
Rate of fire 800 rounds / min 900 rounds / min
Type of fire Single and burst fire Single and burst fire
Muzzle velocity 400 m / sec 375 m / sec
Muzzle energy 650 J 570 J
Length of barrel 225 mm 115 mm
Sight radius 340 mm (but stack is in closed position) 260 mm
Length of gun 490 mm
660 mm (Butt stock is in open position) 325 mm
Weight 2800 g ( without magazine ) 2000 g ( without magazine )
Weight of empty magazine 170 g 170 g
Magazine capacity 15 - 30 15 - 30
Type of fire Semi - automatic and
Full automatic Semi - automatic and
Full automatic





40 mm Grenade Launcher
http://www.mkek.gov.tr/images/40_mmgrenade.jpg
Technical Characteristics


Calibre 40 mm
Firing mechanism Single shot
Muzzle velocity 75 m / sec
Barrel length 305 mm
Length 395 mm
Width 60 mm
Height 107 mm
Weight 1750 g ( empty )
Maximum Range 400 m





40 mm Revolver Grenade Launcher
http://www.mkek.gov.tr/images/40_mm_tamburlu_bombaatar.jpg
Technical Characteristics

Calibre
40 mm

Empty weight
5.85 kg

Length


780 mm ( open butt )

565 mm ( closed butt )

Width




163 mm
265 mm ( open butt )
305 mm ( closed butt )

Barrel length
300 mm

Number of Grooves
Rate of fire
6 right helis, 1200 mm / step

Max 10 sec / 6 pcs

Muzzle velocity
76 m / sec

Range
400 m ( Max )




100 m ( training )
30 m ( Demolition )

Effective range


375 m ( At sight targets )
150 m ( At point targets )


Performance

¨ 40 mm low speed grenade launcher, semi automatic, 6 Ammunition capacity, light, shoulder leaned.

¨ Having steel barrel, grooved.

¨ Capability of high fire by using various bullet types.




7,65 mm - 9 mm Kýrýkkale Pistols
http://www.mkek.gov.tr/images/pistol.jpg
Type 7.65 mm 9 mm
Calibre 7.65 mm Browning cartridge 9 mm Browning cartridge ( short )
Muzzle velocity 260 - 280 m / sec 260 - 280 m / sec
Length of barrel 98 mm 98 mm
Overall length 170 mm 170 mm
Weight 680 g ( empty magazine ) 695 g ( empty magazine )
Magazine capacity 7 + 1 7 + 1
Effective range 25 - 30 m 25 - 30 m

[highsea]

Those Kýrýkkale Pistols look sweet! I've always been a PPK fan.

[gf0012-aust]

highsea, i had the opportunity to have a play with the MP7 last week - a very sweet little weapon. light and very nicely balanced.

btw, that MKEK is an exact copy of the original German weapon.


http://www.hkpro.com/pdwmain.jpg

http://www.hkpro.com/pdwacc.jpg

http://www.hkpro.com/pdwpos1.jpg
http://www.hkpro.com/pdwpos2.jpg
http://www.hkpro.com/pdwpos3.jpg

[highsea]

highsea, i had the opportunity to have a play with the MP7 last week - a very sweet little weapon. light and very nicely balanced.
Looks like a potent little package, Gary. Did you get to try it on the range?

What's your opinion of the 4.6x30mm? Is that the AP round? I don't know anything about it. I kind of have a bias against small calibers, lol, still a fan of the good old 1911.

Do you know what kind of numbers HK is getting out of the 4.6mm as far as penetration, muzzle velocity, energy, etc.?

[gf0012-aust]

Looks like a potent little package, Gary. Did you get to try it on the range?

What's your opinion of the 4.6x30mm? Is that the AP round? I don't know anything about it. I kind of have a bias against small calibers, lol, still a fan of the good old 1911.

Do you know what kind of numbers HK is getting out of the 4.6mm as far as penetration, muzzle velocity, energy, etc.?

No, they don't like you discharging weapons in Federal buildings. ;) I do have some gelatin data available, but I'll need to read it and see what I can post.

I'm a fan of the 1911. It was a gun that acted as a test mule for a project I was working on a few years ago to test the effects of recoil. We had it chambered with a floating breech to test various calibres. A nice solid weapon.

All bow before John Moses Browning. :smokingc:

[[TR]AHMET]

http://www.hkpro.com/pdwmain.jpg

HUH nice


----------------------------------------------------------------
SARSILMAZ

PISTOLS
http://www.sarsilmaz.com/eng/products/kama/saten.jpg
Caliber : 9x19 mm.
Overall Length : 195 mm.
Overall Height : 140 mm.
Barrel Length : 110 mm.
Grip Width : 34 mm.
Weight : 1010 gr.
Magazine Capacity : 15+1
Number of Pieces : 49 pcs.
Speed (Bullet) : 350 m/sec. (±10 m/sec.)
Minimum Firing Life : 25.000 Rounds
Safety System : Safety Lever, Firing Pin Safety, Hammer Safety
Firing System : Double Action, Adjustable

http://www.sarsilmaz.com/eng/main.htm


http://www.sarsilmaz.com/eng/products/bernardelli15/black_white_chrome.jpg
Total Length : 210 mm.
Length of Barrel : 118.65 mm.
Average Weight : 770 gr.
Speed (Bullet) : 350 m/sec. (±10 m/sec.)
Minimum Firing Life : 25.000 Rounds
Safety System : Safety Lever, Firing Pin Safety, Hammer Safety
Magazine Capacity : 15+1
Manufacturing Technology of Receiver : Softpolymer frame, forged steel barrel and slide.


http://www.sarsilmaz.com/eng/products/kilinc2000_light/white_chrome.jpg
Total Length : 210 mm.
Length of Barrel : 118.65 mm.
Average Weight : 990 gr.
Speed (Bullet) : 350 m/sec. (±10 m/sec.)
Minimum Firing Life : 25.000 Rounds
Safety System : Safety Lever, Firing Pin Safety, Hammer Safety
Magazine Capacity : 15+1
Manufacturing Technology of Receiver : Press-forged, high quality steel.

http://www.sarsilmaz.com/eng/products/kilinc2000_light/hand_engraved_gold.jpg GOLD :eek
Total Length : 210 mm.
Length of Barrel : 118.65 mm.
Average Weight : 990 gr.
Speed (Bullet) : 350 m/sec. (±10 m/sec.)
Minimum Firing Life : 25.000 Rounds
Safety System : Safety Lever, Firing Pin Safety, Hammer Safety
Magazine Capacity : 15+1
Manufacturing Technology of Receiver : Press-forged, high quality steel.

SHOTGUNS
http://www.sarsilmaz.com/eng/products/law_enforcement/special_tactical_cobra.jpg
SPECIAL TACTICAL COBRA
Magazine Capacity : 7+1
Barrel Length : 47 cm., 61 cm.
Chamber : 70 mm., 76 mm.
Average Weight : 2900 gr.
Gauge : 12
Lantern Specifications : 50 m.
Other : Folding stock, fiber optic sight


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Soviet AK47
http://www.militarytrophies.com.au/gallery/soviet_ak47-z.jpg

Drab AK47
http://www.militarytrophies.com.au/gallery/drab_ak47-z.jpg

MP5 Tactical With USP
http://www.militarytrophies.com.au/gallery/mp5_tactical_with_usp-z.jpg

[neel24neo]

heres the french FAMAS.
http://www.gzjsj.com.cn/xingun8-2/xingun-2/FAMAS.jpg
FAMAS G2
Caliber 5.56mm NATO (.223rem)
Action Delayed blowback
Overall length 757 mm
Barrel length 488 mm
weight 3.8 kg with empty magazine
Magazine capacity 30 rounds (STANAG)
Muzzle velocity 925 m/s
1000-1100 rounds per minute
Effective range 450 meters [/img]

a classic rifle-7.62mmFN FAL.
http://www.gunsite.narod.ru/fnfal.gif
http://ghoul.flipcode.com/3dm/guns/FN-Fal04.jpg
http://ony.airsoftland.com/reviews/images/FN_FAL_brit1.jpg
Caliber : 7.62mm NATO (7.62x51)
Action: Gas operated, tilting breechblock, select-fire or semi-auto only
Length: 1100 mm (990 / 736 mm for "Para" model)
Barrel length: 533 mm (431 mm for "Para" model)
Weight: 4.45 kg empty (3.77 kg empty for "Para" models)
Magazine capacity: 20 rounds (30 rounds for heavy barreled SAW versions)
Rate of fire: 650-700 rounds per minute
i have great respect for this rifle...

[neel24neo]

israeli tavor assault rifle...
http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/tavor/tavor.jpg
http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/tavor/tar-m203-alone.jpg
Caliber: 5.56mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 720 mm
Barrel length: 460 mm
Weight: 2.8 kg empty, 3.63 kg with loaded 30 rounds magazine & sling
Magazine capacity: 20 or 30 rounds standard
Rate of fire: 750 - 900 rounds per minute

5.56mm INSAS.
http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/indian2/w1.jpg
http://www.gun-world.net/russain/kalashnikov/foreign/india/isa2.jpg
http://www.gun-world.net/russain/kalashnikov/foreign/india/20041161.jpg
Caliber: 5.56x45 mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 945 mm with fixed butt; 960 / 750 mm with folding butt
Barrel length: 464 mm
Weight: 3.2 kg empty
Rate of fire: 650 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 20 or 30 rounds

[Raven_Wing278]

visit this site to see some awesome pictures of gunsn other military equipment

http://www.military-wallpaper.com/-qiangxie/027.JPG


http://www.military-wallpaper.com/-qiangxie/025.jpg


http://www.military-wallpaper.com/-qiangxie/006.jpg


http://web.wenxuecity.com/BBSView.php?SubID=military&MsgID=172196

[P.A.F]

Shotgun

http://www.inel.gov/featurestories/images/shotgun.jpg

[ThunderBolt]

does any one has a pic of an oicw, i heard that the project was canclled bcoz it cost to much.

[highsea]

Yeah, it was too bulky, and the program was split into the XM-8 and XM-25. There is a thread here:

http://defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65

[XEROX]

Wow, love the handguns, where can I buy those from, legally??:ar15

[Patzek]

Israel Defence Forces - Corner Shot
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/small_arms/corner_shot/P3080127.jpg


http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/small_arms/corner_shot/P3080215.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/small_arms/corner_shot/corner_shot_3.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/small_arms/corner_shot/corner_shot_7.jpg

[BritishRMC]

:rolleyes: All british :P

SA80a2 - Standard infantry rifle in the British army.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38279000/jpg/_38279835_rifle300pa.jpg

Combined with AG36 grenade launcher.
http://royalmarines.mine.nu/library/ag36.jpg

Carbine version specificlly designed for tank crews.
http://www.britisharmedforces.org/newsa8012.gif

LAW 80 - Anti tank rocket, Disposable throw - away weapon.
http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/pw/pw_law.htm

LSW - Light support weapon, Machine gun.
http://www.project-x.org.uk/images/picsa80alllsws.jpg

Long Range Rifle L115A1 - Sniper.
http://www.gun-world.net/article/Britain/ai/l115a1_4.jpg

Acurracy International - Sniper
http://www.pdhsc.com/britishcamoreckless2.jpg

Theres others but nothing special.

[[TR]AHMET]

Turkish Pistols

TISAS http://www.trabzonsilah.com/

Zigana T White 15+1

http://www.milint.com/data/media/217/zigana_T_beyaz.jpg

Zigana T Engraved 15+1

http://www.milint.com/data/media/217/zigana_T_gravurlu.jpg


Calibre
9x19 mm
Effective Range
100 m
Operation System
Simple Recoil System, Semi-Automatic
Magazine Capacity
Standart 15+1, Private 17+1
Safety System
Automatic Firing Pin Blacking Device, Pin Safety Block, Hammer Bloking Device
Aim Order
Fixed Square Front Sight - Rear Sight Widt Rectangular Notch, White Dot
Muzzle Velocity
370 +/- 10 m/sn
Triggering Force
1200-3200 gr Single Action
2000-5500 gr Double Action
Triggering System
Double Action
Total Pistol Weight
980 gr
Empty Magazine Weight
90 gr
Loaded Magazine
290 and 314 gr
Lenght
220 mm
Height
140 mm
Width
36 mm
Barrel Lenght
130 mm
Operating Temprature
-35 °C/+60 °C
Min. Barrel Shooting Life
25.000


Zigana K White 15+1

http://www.milint.com/data/media/217/zigana_K_beyaz.jpg

Zigana K Engraved 15+1

http://www.milint.com/data/media/217/zigana_K_gravurlu.jpg

Calibre
9x19 mm
Effective Range
50 m
Operation System
Simple Recoil System, Semi-Automatic
Magazine Capacity
Standart 15+1, Private 17+1
Safety System
Automatic Firing Pin Blacking Device, Pin Safety Block, Hammer Bloking Device
Aim Order
Fixed Square Front Sight - Rear Sight Widt Rectangular Notch, White Dot
Muzzle Velocity
350 +/- 10 m/sn
Triggering Force
2500 +/- 700 gr Single Action
5000 +/- 1000 gr Double Action
Triggering System
Double Action
Total Pistol Weight
940 gr
Empty Magazine Weight
90 gr
Loaded Magazine
290 and 314 gr
Lenght
191.3 mm
Height
140 mm
Width
36.7 mm
Barrel Lenght
102.5 mm
Operating Temprature
-35 °C/+60 °C
Min. Barrel Shooting Life
25.000


SARSILMAZ

K-2 15+1

http://www.milint.com/data/media/217/IM000162.jpg
[/LEFT]

[[TR]AHMET]

ARSAN http://www.arsansilah.com.tr/

TRUVA 15+1

http://www.arsansilah.com.tr/truva/truva1.jpg

http://www.arsansilah.com.tr/truva/truva2.jpg

http://www.arsansilah.com.tr/truva/truva4.jpg

TISAS http://www.trabzonsilah.com/

Kanuni 16 Engraved 15+1

http://www.milint.com/data/media/217/kanuni16_gravurlu.jpg

Calibre
9x19 mm
Effective Range
50 m
Operation System
Simple Recoil System, Semi-Automatic
Magazine Capacity
Standart 15+1, Private 17+1
Safety System
Automatic Firing Pin Blacking Device, Pin Safety Block, Hammer Bloking Device
Aim Order
Fixed Square Front Sight - Rear Sight Widt Rectangular Notch, White Dot
Muzzle Velocity
350 +/- 10 m/sn
Triggering Force
2500 +/- 700 gr Single Action
5000 +/- 1000 gr Double Action
Triggering System
Double Action
Total Pistol Weight
880 gr.
Empty Magazine Weight
90 gr
Loaded Magazine
290 and 314 gr
Lenght
192 mm
Height
139 mm
Width
34 mm
Barrel Lenght
112 mm
Operating Temprature
-35 °C/+60 °C
Min. Barrel Shooting Life
25.000

[Waylander]

Heckler & Koch GMW (Granatmaschinenwaffe/Grenade-automatic-weapon) with 40mm x 53. In use with the Bundeswehr.
[img=http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1310/gmw8qd.th.jpg] (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gmw8qd.jpg)

Kampfschwimmer (Our german SEAL Version) with AG36K without the aimpoint:
[img=http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4845/kampfschwimmer2fx.th.jpg] (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kampfschwimmer2fx.jpg)

MG3 on tripod (Damn I love this gun):
http://www.civiliangunner.com/images/MG3a.jpg

Milan ATGM:
[img=http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9687/milan7py.th.png] (http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=milan7py.png)

Javelin ATGM:
[img=http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/707/javelin23xm.th.jpg] (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=javelin23xm.jpg)

[zoolander]

First of all, the OICW is not cancelled.

the milan and javalin missiles are not small arms.

the future of small arms are smart weapons like the OICW or metalstorm. They are the F-22s of firearms.

anyone know the prices for one of those suckers.

[Waylander]

MILAN and Javelin are not small arms?
Than I missunderstood this thread, sorry.

I think that you cannot describe a OICW as "the F-22 of firearms".
You will never have such a superiority by pure technology like you have in the air. An older assault rifle (Like the G3, FAMAS, etc.) is not that far away from an OICW. Training is a much more important than technology. And there are many weapons which are reliable and precise and are already in service. For me the most important reasen for the US to replace the M-16 is that this gun is not (And has never been) an example for reliability and precision.

[zoolander]

the OICW is the future of firearms. It is as revolutionary as the F-22. In my personal opinion certain features, the gun pocess have never been put on a gun before. This fields many new technology like the F-22 does. Overall the gun has a absolute advantage to the guns of today.

[Waylander]

Ok, than tell us what is so revolutionary about the OICW?
What new technology is used?

[zoolander]

The ideas are not all new but its gonna be the first gun to field them. The gun itself is very revolutionary. In fact its just a version of the G36. The gernade laucher(cannon) , targetting system and the gernade are revolutionary. The gernade laucher has the accuracy of a gun. The gun can program air burst mode where it can explode after travellin a certain distance. In fact it got a chip inside it. How can u not call it revolutionary. Other than the G11 which will not be fielded, no gun is as revolutionary. at least in the last 30 years. ( i know the AK47 and m16 and g3 are legends but in the last 30 years this is the most revolutioanry.) In fact its in its own generation of firearms.

[Waylander]

Ok, the grenade-system is a new item. But if that is enough
But as long as I know there is not even a final version of the OICW. The US started a knew competition.
You don't mean the XM8, do you?

[img=http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5827/g36xm80ib.th.jpg] (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=g36xm80ib.jpg)

[zoolander]

the OICW is around 18 thousand a pop. The gernade itself cost 25 dollars each. At these rates, even the US army cant arm everyone with the gun.

The XM8 is the kinetic energy part of the OICW. It is in other words the rifle part. It is a superlight highly interchangable assault rifle. the basic design is from the rifle on the OICW. the frame of course is new but thats just the frame. The basic mechanism( the rechiever) is still from the OICW. I want to stress that it is not a new gun, but rather part of a new gun in a pakage.

[Waylander]

Ok, now my two pence.
First there is to say that the XM8 is no longer an opinion for the US as their new standard assault rifle. As I said there is a new competition for the future OICW and some US and european companys are trying to get the contract.
Second, despite the new grenade-system the XM8 is nothing more than a little bit more modern version of the G-36. It is not even close to being the F-22 under the assault rifles. Maybe it's a little bit more accurate, handy and a little bit more reliable but that is just a small factor.
It doesn't make the GI the King of the hill like the F-22 does in its air superiority role.

[zoolander]

Check your facts before you talk. The XM8 is just the rifle. The OICW has 4 major parts: the rifle, the gernade laucher, gernade, and the targeting system. The XM8 is only the rifle portion of it.

I stress it again The XM8 is only the rifle part. I will provide a link so you examine the difference.

OICW
http://www.hkpro.com/oicw.htm

XM8
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/xm8-poster.jpg

notice the difference?

[Waylander]

Ok, I also try again. :D ;)
There is no longer a final version for the OICW. They started a new competition.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2005/11/oicw1-canceled-door-closes-on-xm8-for-now/index.php

[zoolander]

Wow that sucks. Everysingle time something revolutionary comes out, their host countrys becomes stingy on the budget.

At least half of the OICW survived.

Wouldnt it be crazy if the OICW used caseless bullets like the G11

[[TR]AHMET]

Turkish Pistols

CANIK55 http://www.canik55.com (http://www.canik55.com/)

PIRANHA CF 13+1

http://www.canik55.com/content/pirinha_cf/beyaz_krom_fenerli_large.jpg

http://www.canik55.com/content/pirinha_cf/siyah_krom_fenerli_large.jpg

PIRANHA F 15+1

http://www.canik55.com/content/pirinha_f/ob_krom_pa_ka_fenerli_large.jpg

http://www.canik55.com/content/pirinha_f/siyah_krom_large.jpg

SHARK 15+1

http://www.canik55.com/content/shark/beyaz_krom_large.jpg

http://www.canik55.com/content/shark/siyah_krom_large.jpg

[[TR]AHMET]

More...

SHARK C 13+1

http://www.canik55.com/content/shark_c/beyaz_krom_large.jpg

http://www.canik55.com/content/shark_c/siyah_krom_large.jpg

PIRANHA 15+1

http://www.canik55.com/content/pirinha/ozel_beyaz_krom_large.jpg

http://www.canik55.com/content/pirinha/siyah_krom_large.jpg

PIRANHA C 15+1

http://www.canik55.com/content/pirinha_c/ozel_beyaz_krom_large.jpg

http://www.canik55.com/content/pirinha_c/siyah_krom_large.jpg

[[TR]AHMET]

Turkish Sniper Rifle

KALEKALIP http://www.kaleaero.com/ http://www.kalekalip.com.tr/

12.7 mm 50 Cal. Sniper Rifle - AVUNYA

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/3798/medium/CIMG0519.jpg

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/3798/medium/Untitled_-_1.jpg

Caliber : .50 ( 12.7 mm )
Magazine Capacity : 5
Modes of Fire : Single
Sights : Telescopic sight / Night sight is adaptable
Weight : 13 kg.
Effective Range : 1,8 km
Buttstock : Retractable

308 Cal. Sniper Rifle

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/3798/medium/308Kalibre-2.jpg

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/3798/medium/308Kalibre-1.jpg

practising about this project, Coming soon :p:

[Foley]

http://www.military-page.de/waffen/sig/550/bild_sig_01.jpg

http://www.military-page.de/waffen/sig/550/bild_sig_02.jpg

This is my weapons. Stgw90 is the Swiss Army weapon. Very good thing.

www.swissarms.ch
the best weapons of the world.
Switzerland rock http://www.swisssmilies.ch/schweiz/swiss.gif

SWISS PRECISION
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Our pistols and rifles excel worldwide in all applications – sports, hunting, law enforcement, security and personal defence.

[HateBreed]

Ok, I also try again. :D ;)
There is no longer a final version for the OICW. They started a new competition.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2005/11/oicw1-canceled-door-closes-on-xm8-for-now/index.php
dont expect a very different fate of the f22!!! with the way things are going, i think that government bureaucrats will deprive the usaf of the raptor.