How many Soldiers are in service in Pakistan and India??

[Majin-Vegeta]

hi,

umm..someone in another forum thinks Pakistan has 600,000 soldiers :S and india has 1.2 million..he even gave me an article!! :S so now im confused..i thought Pakistan had 1.5 million while india had 3 million??

id also like to know manpower..from wat ive heard..Pakistan supposed to be very powerful..and now it seems untrue :S i need more answers!!

[Winter]

I wouldn't know much about this...I thought the case for the Pakistan Army was around half a million front line troops (possibly 600,000?) and around another half a million reservists. Again for India, around one million troops and approaching half a million to a million reservists. I'm sure some other people on this forum can come up with more exact figures.

[Oqaab]

What I have heard is that Pakistan has 850,000 troops. I dont know about India.

[Majin-Vegeta]

yea i think your right, 850 thou troops and the rest being Militian meaning 850 + 600 = 145 million :D

wat bout military manpower??

[Red aRRow]

850 + 600 = 145 million :D


I think you need a calculator. :D ;)

[Su_37]

In 2002 the Indian Army had 980,000 active troops, along with an Army Reserve consisting of: 300,000 first line troops (those within five years of full time service), and another 500,000 second line troops (subject to recall to service until 50 years of age). The Territorial Army numbered 40,000 first line troops (and 160,000 second line troops). In 1994 the army had approximately 940,000 men and women on active duty, and another 36,000 in the Territorial Army. As of 1998 the Army had a sanctioned troop strength of 1,045,000, but there was a shortage of about 59,000 troops.

The Pakistan Army a total strength of 520000, larger than that of the United States, with a reserve element of 500,000 who have a reserve obligation up to the age of 45 years.

[Winter]

In 2002 the Indian Army had 980,000 active troops, along with an Army Reserve consisting of: 300,000 first line troops (those within five years of full time service), and another 500,000 second line troops (subject to recall to service until 50 years of age). The Territorial Army numbered 40,000 first line troops (and 160,000 second line troops). In 1994 the army had approximately 940,000 men and women on active duty, and another 36,000 in the Territorial Army. As of 1998 the Army had a sanctioned troop strength of 1,045,000, but there was a shortage of about 59,000 troops.

The Pakistan Army a total strength of 520000, larger than that of the United States, with a reserve element of 500,000 who have a reserve obligation up to the age of 45 years.

Having directly copied that off GlobalSecurity.org, Su_37, I am not sure about it's complete accuracy...These things can be quite out of date by a matter of years, you know....

[elkaboingo]

we have around 750,000 active duty troops
500,000 reservists
a lot of ground crews and maintanance
and a large amount of national guards and militia type things

[umair]

we have around 750,000 active duty troops
500,000 reservists
a lot of ground crews and maintanance
and a large amount of national guards and militia type things

You're forgetting extremely patriotic citizens who have always come out with whatever they could to help beet off the agressor.
According to one TIME cloumnist(drat! my memory, I can't seem to remember anything except accounting standards these days :roll )
Who can defeat a nation who knows how to play hide and seek with death[/b]

[Majin-Vegeta]

i meant 850,000 + 600,000 :P

so its around that i see? and obviously yea..people would come out to support against the aggression. :)

[elkaboingo]

yes you must include all those who brandish ak's, hockey sticks and cricket bats....

umair, look at who you are quoting. time magazine is dumb and knows nothing of defence matters (just like the guardian columnist who said chally 2 has 2ft thick armor). a more reliable source like janes would be better.

which reminds me, im not subscribed to them, all i have is a few tattered copies that are a decade old. the copy of janes idr im holding right now is boasting spy sats and the fn p90 just came out.

[farina]

At moment of truth any nation can generate an army twice the size of its "in service" army. Pakistan is one of those nations that can mobilize an army 5 times its "in service" army- the whole 18-49 aged men and women to fight against the aggressors! :pak

[Majin-Vegeta]

exactly, it dont matter how many are in service, they have 145 million ppl..even if someone took it over..they wouldnt be able to rule such a country AHAHA!! so thats a big advantage to Pakistan..so if america or anyother country invaded..rather than seeing 1 - 3 soldiers die a day (like in Iraq) u'd see 10 - 20 soldiers die a day, cuz Pakistan is quite small but carries so many ppl..so its a condensed area..u cant tell whos the enemy and whos not..so its hard :)

[gf0012-aust]

so if america or anyother country invaded..rather than seeing 1 - 3 soldiers die a day (like in Iraq) u'd see 10 - 20 soldiers die a day

Majin-Vegeta - lets keep the anti-country comments out of these threads ...

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[elkaboingo]

thanks to the anti narcotics force, there are literally hundreds of thousands of ak-47s to arm the public with (a last resort) that ought to be deterrent enough :)

[gf0012-aust]

IIRC the Stockholm Institute of Peace reckons that there are more than 80million AK's produced... what I want to know is where are they all... :eek

[elkaboingo]

on the black market, being sold by disgruntled russian troops....

ak-47's or all variants. i know pak police us the ak-47 and ak-104 (good sub machine gun and pierces body armor, drawbacks are the recoil)

[WebMaster]

Pathans in Quetta can make ak-47s with hand within less than an hour! Over the past 30 years they have been doing that so they must be good. I think, to curb street violence in Pakistan these shops in Peshawor, Quetta should be regulated and watched. Right now, you can't really tell who buys what and where its going.

[elkaboingo]

that explains why most of the SSG is pashtoon. :D

[Majin-Vegeta]

wat? no..Pakistan produce thier own AK47's..they make the best weaponry in the world..and sorry didnt mean to be rude to soldiers :S

[Su_37]

wat? no..Pakistan produce thier own AK47's..they make the best weaponry in the world..and sorry didnt mean to be rude to soldiers :S


Well yea you are right that why i just heard the news that China is Buying 5 billions worth of Arms and moreover 500k worth of AK 47's .. right ........and now even US , Uk and RUSSIA is now also planning to purchase wepons form PAK , wow PAk beomce world largest wepons expoter ,, kool na :rotfl

[WebMaster]

Su_37, please read rule #15:

http://defencetalk.com/forums/rules.php#15

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Enjoy!!!

[dabrownguy]

The topic is whos army is superior. Now in my opinon India cause they got larger numbers, largest standing army. And transport-heles to back them up. As well as a lot of platforms and tanks.

[gf0012-aust]

There are a few complexities to this.

Theatre of operations
Logistics
Duration
Type of initial contact
Capacity to surge
Capacity for infrastructure to sustain non war operations
Political Will and intent
Government of the day
Training
Alliances
War reserves
Whether its a battlefield or a Theatre of operations

All have substantial impact on an outcome

[Indus]

There are a few complexities to this.

Theatre of operations
Logistics
Duration
Type of initial contact
Capacity to surge
Capacity for infrastructure to sustain non war operations
Political Will and intent
Government of the day
Training
Alliances
War reserves
Whether its a battlefield or a Theatre of operations

All have substantial impact on an outcome

Youre right GF.. thats why its pointless to make tit-for-tat arguments that this army is better than that or would win a war against such-n-such country until the next full-on modern war between them.. only then can we assess the true superiority of either..

[general]

Pakistan has an active military of 550,000 and india has 1.1 million

[Faisal_Masud]

Pakistan has nearly 700,000 troops.Pakistan Air force has 45,000 active personnels and7.000 Reserve personnels.

[Awang se]

That is seven times the size of my country entire armed forces.

[Revival_786]

well Malaysia's population is substantially smaller than Pakistan's :)

[lamdacore]

just wondering, is pakistani and indian forces under a process of modernization. I mean like they adon't seem to be equiped like US or UK troops. they just have a soldier with only a single gun and no backpacks. Can somebody tell me status of the pakistani and indian in this regard. this might even be a good fact to point out which army is better. Check out Isreal small army BUT highly modernized and the surrounding countries might have larger armies but NOT that modernized.

thnx!

[seth]

yo peoples does the pakistani military produce and issue everyone of their soldiers with bullet proof vests ? i just wanted to know? :?: :?:

[Roger Smith]

yo peoples does the pakistani military produce and issue everyone of their soldiers with bullet proof vests ? i just wanted to know? :?: :?:


Bullet proof vests are issued during combat operations! :smokingc:

The military fighting force is approx. 65 to 70% of the bulk force, which I assume are issued bullet proof vests.

[Winter]

just wondering, is pakistani and indian forces under a process of modernization. I mean like they adon't seem to be equiped like US or UK troops. they just have a soldier with only a single gun and no backpacks. Can somebody tell me status of the pakistani and indian in this regard. this might even be a good fact to point out which army is better. Check out Isreal small army BUT highly modernized and the surrounding countries might have larger armies but NOT that modernized.

thnx!

I doubt there is a time when forces are not under a process of modernisation. It would actually cost to maintain an exact status quo. Kit differs country to country and that is just the way it is, with status of budgets/reserach/sourcing and else.

We have a thread on 'The Best Army In The World.'

http://defencetalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=616

[mysterious]

Although I agree that Pakistan and India dont have a highly modernized force in terms of the equipment that each soldier carries and all as compared to the US or the UK; they do get backpacks (for operations) carrying different equipment (according to their needs, but not as highly advanced as those of the American troops) and of course they get a bulletproof vest and a head gear and all (this aint the 50s or the 60s for pete's sakes)! Talking about which army is better, I would say Indian army has the advantage of numbers over the Pakistani Army but the Indian army lacks flexibility to deploy troops; meaning that Pakistani Army can deploy and re-deploy its troops faster than the Indians (2003 Estimate by CSIS says Pakistan has around 1200 APCs-Armoured Personnel Carriers while India has around 200 or something). Now this might not be an accurate estimate but I would also say that with respect to the size of the Indian forces, they desparately need more APCs; you cannot go around in army trucks all the time, you need armoured protection for your troops to deploy them faster. The geographical part plays its point here as well because during war-time given the lesser strategic depth of Pakistan, its forces can be put to the border with India relatively quite faster than India can do that. So its not just about whose army is better with the equipment they have in their hands, it takes in to account a lot of other things that contribute towards an army's effectiveness and battle worthiness.
About how many soldiers are there in their armies, I would put CSIS figures here once again, Pakistan has 550,000 and India 1,100,000 (almost the double of Pakistani Army) but their reserves are almost the same at half a million. :smokingc:

[Roger Smith]

(2003 Estimate by CSIS says Pakistan has around 1200 APCs-Armoured Personnel Carriers while India has around 200 or something).


Mys...............You should study more on the aforementioned subject then come back again with your improved version on how many APC India has in its inventory? ;)

[mysterious]

(2003 Estimate by CSIS says Pakistan has around 1200 APCs-Armoured Personnel Carriers while India has around 200 or something).


Mys...............You should study more on the aforementioned subject then come back again with your improved version on how many APC India has in its inventory? ;)

I just qouted the amount from the CSIS report and thats why I said I'm not sure if that is the correct amount because it looks too low; but I know enough to believe India does have less APCs than Pakistan and it needs to do something about it. And Roger, if you know more than I do, then please state your part of the story with some evidence over here before trying to insult (and/or provoke) me or any other member and if you do, then just pray that I or someone else dont lose our tempers over such degrading comments which have nothing to do with reality but rather your mere love for increasing your post count on this forum. :mad

[Roger Smith]

(2003 Estimate by CSIS says Pakistan has around 1200 APCs-Armoured Personnel Carriers while India has around 200 or something).


Mys...............You should study more on the aforementioned subject then come back again with your improved version on how many APC India has in its inventory? ;)

I just qouted the amount from the CSIS report and thats why I said I'm not sure if that is the correct amount because it looks too low; but I know enough to believe India does have less APCs than Pakistan and it needs to do something about it. And Roger, if you know more than I do, then please state your part of the story with some evidence over here before trying to insult (and/or provoke) me or any other member and if you do, then just pray that I or someone else dont lose our tempers over such degrading comments which have nothing to do with reality but rather your mere love for increasing your post count on this forum. :mad


Mys.............It seems you are very sensitive. I am not going to war with you and it is just a discussion forum. :smokingc:

Herewith, I am quoting you on India's APC/ICV inventory as follows;

BMP-1 : 700
BMP-2 : 900 + (100 units every year produced)
OT-62/64: 700 +

Reserved/Storage
500 + (Russian & Czech made)

I hope my response is satisfactory to you. ;)

[mysterious]

Its not about me being sensitive or not Roger; its more about how you word your post that determines the responses that other people make to your posts. And yes, thnx for giving me the figures on the Indian APC inventory, I'm looking up for some info in this regard myself as well. Cheerz! :smokingc:

[Roger Smith]

Its not about me being sensitive or not Roger; its more about how you word your post that determines the responses that other people make to your posts. And yes, thnx for giving me the figures on the Indian APC inventory, I'm looking up for some info in this regard myself as well. Cheerz! :smokingc:


Great! :smokingc:

[gf0012-aust]

Right, now that we have sorted that out, let's get back to the topic.

:cop

[seth]

so people the U.S. , U.K. , china, russia, are gonna be buying weapons from pakistan?, according to su-27? is/would this be possible? and how much money would pakistan earn/get buy doing this/ meaning exporting weapons to those countries? and does pakistan really produce AK-47's? :?: :?:

[Indus]

so people the U.S. , U.K. , china, russia, are gonna be buying weapons from pakistan?, according to su-27? is/would this be possible? and how much money would pakistan earn/get buy doing this/ meaning exporting weapons to those countries? and does pakistan really produce AK-47's? :?: :?:

Thats a good one.. its vice versa man.. US, UK, Russia dont buy weapons from anyone else, they are way advanced.. China is the one that develops stuff for Pakistan, Pak under ToT builds them and then markets them to Islamic countries..