Turkish Long Range Air and Missile Defence System Program

[atilla]

Announcement for Issuing of Request for Information (RFI) for Turkish Long Range Air and Missile Defence System Program

new annaouncment has been declared the possible candidates s 300 russia Pak 3 and cinese version of s 300

But russia has offered an joint production also tec transfer for now seems S 300 wil win .......

What other systems can win ?? does S 300 is better than other products ??

İs USA arm dealers losing their market in Turkey ??

[contedicavour]

Announcement for Issuing of Request for Information (RFI) for Turkish Long Range Air and Missile Defence System Program

new annaouncment has been declared the possible candidates s 300 russia Pak 3 and cinese version of s 300

But russia has offered an joint production also tec transfer for now seems S 300 wil win .......

What other systems can win ?? does S 300 is better than other products ??

İs USA arm dealers losing their market in Turkey ??

Didn't the US have Patriots in Turkey during previous Gulf Wars ? PAC-3 is the only competitor to Russian S300 since Aster-30 can't match its range and MEADS programme isn't advanced enough to participate to a procurement race.

cheers

[Chrom]

Didn't the US have Patriots in Turkey during previous Gulf Wars ? PAC-3 is the only competitor to Russian S300 since Aster-30 can't match its range and MEADS programme isn't advanced enough to participate to a procurement race.

cheers I'm 99% sure Turks will not buy S-300. SAM's abilities will play no role in the procurement. Turks need political support much more than any military quality - after all, can you imagine Turks going to war with someone against whom S-300 will be actually usefull?

[Waylander]

Greece.

This little cold war there is always good for a new "I have bigger weapons than you" challenge.

[radiosilence]

i would think Arrow-2 would be a potential candidate. The only hold up would be if the US would allow it to compete against PAC-3.

[orko_8]

i would think Arrow-2 would be a potential candidate. The only hold up would be if the US would allow it to compete against PAC-3.

Undersecretary for Defense Industries Mr Murad Bayar had stated that Turkish Air Force require an air defense system capable of both engaging aircraft and missiles, thus putting Arrow II out of the list. It is known that Turkey had tried to join the project in the past.

[radiosilence]

Undersecretary for Defense Industries Mr Murad Bayar had stated that Turkish Air Force require an air defense system capable of both engaging aircraft and missiles, thus putting Arrow II out of the list. It is known that Turkey had tried to join the project in the past.

Thanks for the update. I read sometime last year that Arrow was a potential candidate. Any idea on what kind of tech transfer Turkey is looking for?

[atilla]

Undersecretary for Defense Industries Mr Murad Bayar had stated that Turkish Air Force require an air defense system capable of both engaging aircraft and missiles, thus putting Arrow II out of the list. It is known that Turkey had tried to join the project in the past.
Dear orko thanks for rep so if we consider latest issues about north ıraq Do u think Pac 3 could win ?? also ıs ıt possıble to place S 300 whıle other aır force equıpments are from USA ??

pc ( ulan orko burdadamı sen :DDDD)yeter be abi heryerde sen

[BilalK]

Has Turkey included any Chinese competitors?

[orko_8]

Thanks for the update. I read sometime last year that Arrow was a potential candidate. Any idea on what kind of tech transfer Turkey is looking for?

I don't know the contents of the request, but Turkey wanted to join the development phase, maybe something with Green Pine radar, I'm not sure, must check archives.

As the press stated, the three candidates are S-300, Patriot PAC-3 and FT-2000. The project covers off-the-shelf procurement of 4 batteries. As Turkish newspapers report, one system is thought for deployment to Ankara, one for Istanbul, one for GAP region in SE Turkey, the fourth one to be decided later. I personnally think PAC-3 has the highest chance, FT-2000 coming next.

[atilla]

Greece had lots of problem maintaing the russıan S300 .spare parts technical assıstance etc... If turkey produce S 300 whıt russıa maybe lots of up comıng problems could be solved .Greece also had problems ın frıend and foe system sınce they use F-16 and mainly mirage!! .Is any firm ın turkey has capability to solve this ?

[atilla]

After 12 years Mangusta is slected and Otocar ıs selected to develop Turkısh MBT...from here we can understand new defence concept ıs maınly on tech transfer and also devoloping in turkey so we can say S 300 or chınese versıon wil win since patriot is not offering tech transfer .....

[orko_8]

LORAMIDS program is direct off-the-shelf procurement, so there won't be any tech-transfer or other crap be it whether FT-2000 or S-300 is selected.

[contedicavour]

LORAMIDS program is direct off-the-shelf procurement, so there won't be any tech-transfer or other crap be it whether FT-2000 or S-300 is selected.

May be Turkey should just join the US, Germany and Italy in MEADS programme which is supposed to be the heir to PAC-3 including ATBM capability.
Another more far fetched alternative would be joining in an Aster-45 development effort. It's quite a mistery whether this extended range version of Aster-30 is being developed or not...

cheers

[Chrom]

Greece had lots of problem maintaing the russıan S300 .spare parts technical assıstance etc... If turkey produce S 300 whıt russıa maybe lots of up comıng problems could be solved . They just cant TOT it deep enouth to matter. No-go here, even IF Russia would agree to trasfer tech.
Greece also had problems ın frıend and foe system sınce they use F-16 and mainly mirage!! .Is any firm ın turkey has capability to solve this ? They dont have problems with FOE, at least not as you describe it. Minor annoyence here is what F-16/Mirages are part of NATO forces and cant easely differenciate greek S-300 from russian/chinese S-300 (in non-cooperative mode, without using FoE system). But then again, they also cant differentiate US/Greek PAC-3 and Turkish PAC-3 - that may be even more important for Greek military.
Any FoE system could be easely integrated in any SAM or plane. It is just non-issue. But non-cooperative target recognition might be problem.

[DoC_FouALieR]

Another more far fetched alternative would be joining in an Aster-45 development effort.
Could be, but if Turkey is involved in such a european developped weapon, they could use this to claim for their entry in the European Union, raising lot of political questions that can hamper the fielding of the Aster 45.

It's quite a mistery whether this extended range version of Aster-30 is being developed or not...
Yes, it's more a rumour than actual information. I'll try to find something about it.

[Yasin20]

isnt pakistan also offering turkey a cruise missile technology to turkey

[IceCold]

isnt pakistan also offering turkey a cruise missile technology to turkey

We are talking about air and missle defence here. Are CM's used for those purpose, i dont think soo.

[atilla]

After the last moves of US parlaiment( historical debay about 1915 happenings)

I dont think SSM will chose Pac 3 there is an grapevine going on about russia offered S400 and TEC transfer ....

We will see what could hapen...

[yorker_79]

merhaba ben yeni katildim da bu siteye siz Turkiye nin savunma sanayi hakkinda sanirim bilgi sahibisiniz. Allah askina Turkiye nin kendi urettigi ve kullandigi bir teknolojik savunma sistemi var mi. biraz bilgilendirirmisiniz. tesekkurler.

Mod edit: In English, please. This is an int'l forum. ;)

/GD

[balamir]

merhaba ben yeni katildim da bu siteye siz Turkiye nin savunma sanayi hakkinda sanirim bilgi sahibisiniz. Allah askina Turkiye nin kendi urettigi ve kullandigi bir teknolojik savunma sistemi var mi. biraz bilgilendirirmisiniz. tesekkurler.


Short translation: Is there any Turkish defence systems designed and used by Turks?
Short answer: yes. look at SSM website. I can't post the link since I don't have 15 posts. Basically it will be www-ssm-gov-tr (replace - with .) They have several catalogs there.

[yorker_79]

thanks. i appericiate it. i didn't know english is the only international language i should be using here.anyway i ll be checking the web site.

[Viper7]

isnt pakistan also offering turkey a cruise missile technology to turkey

Firstly, this topic isn't about Turkey aquiring Cruise Missiles, rather its about them going for a new Air Defence System like the Russian S-300 or the American PAC-3.

Secondly, & off topic, Pakistan and Turkey are holding a joint development of Cruise Missiles for the Turkish Armed Forces. In which, Pakistan has offered to share its know how on cruise missile technology. It is one of quite a few joint military projects that Pakistan and Turkey are working on.

[metro]

-I haven't seen this posted elsewhere, but thought it may be interesting to some here:

Monday, November 12, 2007

Israel may sell Arrow and Ofek to Turkey
[Link at bottom]

Israel and Turkey are holding high-level talks on a possible sale of the
Arrow ballistic missile defense system and a model of the Ofek spy satellite
to Turkey, The Jerusalem Post has learned.

Turkish officials said senior Israeli defense delegations had recently met
with their counterparts in Ankara for talks on the sale of the systems, two
of Israel's most advanced military platforms. Defense Minister Ehud Barak is
scheduled to visit Ankara in January to continue the negotiations.

On Sunday, President Shimon Peres arrived in Ankara under heavy security for
a three-day visit, at the invitation of Turkish President Abdullah Gul.
Peres
received an honorary doctorate from Bilkent University in Ankara.

"Turkey is an important player in the Middle East in relation to Syria, the
United States and the Palestinians, as well as us," Peres told reporters en
route to Ankara.

Peres, Gul and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas are scheduled
to meet at the Ankara Forum on Tuesday and are expected to announce the
establishment of an industrial zone in the West Bank. Peres said Sunday that
"150,000 jobs are far more important [for promoting peace] than 15,000
rifles."
To strengthen Abbas, Peres said, Israel needed to improve the quality of
life in the Palestinian territories. He expressed optimism that Palestinian
and Israeli negotiating teams would agree on a joint document to be
submitted to the Middle East conference in Annapolis, Maryland, later this
month.

Peres's talks with the Turkish leadership will focus on the possibility of
renewing Israeli negotiations with Syria, the Iranian threat and the growing
rift between Turkey and the US over a nonbinding resolution to formally
recognize the Armenian genocide of 1915.

The sale of the Arrow and the Ofek is not expected to come up during Peres's
conversations here, since the issue is being dealt with on a defense
industry level. Both systems are manufactured by Israel Aerospace
Industries.

Turkey and Israel have held talks over a sale of the Arrow for several
years, and the deal is pending approval from the United States, which
finances more than 30 percent of the defense system's production. In April,
Arieh Herzog, head of the Homa Missile Defense Agency, told the Post he
favored selling the Arrow to Israel's allies, including Turkey.

Israeli defense officials said Turkey was interested in acquiring a missile
defense system in the face of Iran's race toward nuclear power. The sale of
an Ofek satellite (Israel launched the Ofek 7 in June) would dramatically
increase Turkish intelligence-gathering capabilities, since today Turkey
does not have its own spy satellites.

"The purchase of these two systems would skip Turkey years forward in
operational capabilities," an Israeli defense official said.

www.jpost.com
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[Rossiman]

i would think Arrow-2 would be a potential candidate. The only hold up would be if the US would allow it to compete against PAC-3.

Yea, the Arrow-2 is actually a very great system. I am not sure if it is as good as the Patriot Pac-3, but i know it can hold up with the S-300.

[Rossiman]

The S-400 and S-300 system would be a excellent buy for Turkey. Throw in some Tunguska M1's and you are set.

They should equip a few battalions with Tunguska M1s and purchase the S-400 for strategical places. The S-300 for mobile air-protection.

[turk1971]

Firstly, this topic isn't about Turkey aquiring Cruise Missiles, rather its about them going for a new Air Defence System like the Russian S-300 or the American PAC-3.

Secondly, & off topic, Pakistan and Turkey are holding a joint development of Cruise Missiles for the Turkish Armed Forces. In which, Pakistan has offered to share its know how on cruise missile technology. It is one of quite a few joint military projects that Pakistan and Turkey are working on.

when ı was in the turkish millitary, ı was assigned to protect a certain cargo with my team and we took this cargo to and old used up coal mine and this certain cargo came from azerbaycan (1993) then through iran into turkey the cargo was in led blocks (sound scarey) after a few days time a team of pakistan scientist came along with turkish scientist studying the cargo with instruments checking for radiation leaks yes we do have nukes of our own just for the record...

[Falstaff]

when ı was in the turkish millitary, ı was assigned to protect a certain cargo with my team and we took this cargo to and old used up coal mine and this certain cargo came from azerbaycan (1993) then through iran into turkey the cargo was in led blocks (sound scarey) after a few days time a team of pakistan scientist came along with turkish scientist studying the cargo with instruments checking for radiation leaks yes we do have nukes of our own just for the record...

What the... Don't make up silly stories. This is really annoying.

[turk1971]

What the... Don't make up silly stories. This is really annoying.

believe it or not my friend ı don't write crap it's the truth enriched uranıum class 239 it was the **** scientist told me and ı was afraid if ı was going to get radiation sickness if there was a leak but there was not any...

no bullshit believe it or not ....

[Falstaff]

believe it or not my friend ı don't write crap it's the truth enriched uranıum class 239 it was the **** scientist told me and ı was afraid if ı was going to get radiation sickness if there was a leak but there was not any...

no bullshit believe it or not ....

Yeah right. Assuming this was a secret operation (as nobody else thinks Turkey has nukes on its own) you were close enough to your special cargo so you could see what scientists were doing and to even talk to them?
Ok then. Either you're a traitor or a liar and utter wacko.

[Falstaff]

Just so you know, I just mailed your post and nick to the Turkish embassy. It should be easy to "contact" you.

In case you tell the truth you just revealed a covert operation for which you probably were told to shut up about.
If you're just a troll, well, have fun.

[dragonfire]

Whoa... :D

In case Falastaff is not pretending- then this was an exciting hour -:D

And boy oh boy is someone in trouble eh..

:onfloorl:

[turk1971]

Yeah right. Assuming this was a secret operation (as nobody else thinks Turkey has nukes on its own) you were close enough to your special cargo so you could see what scientists were doing and to even talk to them?
Ok then. Either you're a traitor or a liar and utter wacko.

no my friend some times you have to let the wider community know that you have what you have and don't forget this is a message not to you but to the other big brother readers u r nothing and ever heard of possible deniability
some times goverments can't announce these types of info so it uses back channels call me wacko thats fine the message is through to the right people that's what matters....

[turk1971]

Just so you know, I just mailed your post and nick to the Turkish embassy. It should be easy to "contact" you.

In case you tell the truth you just revealed a covert operation for which you probably were told to shut up about.
If you're just a troll, well, have fun.

yes ı am a troll or maybe ı don't have a name maybe ı am dead say for nearly 10 years

[Waylander]

I knew it.
Defencetalk is so important that the Turkish government uses it to give some subtile hints to the world about their secret nuclear weapons capabilities.

Ahem...no...