Vietnamese Air Power

[kilo]

if anyone could give me the current OrBAT of the vietnamese air force/naval aviation plus procurement plans for new aircraft that would be great. Also does anyone know the stae of repair/availability of spare parts and weapons of those aircraft.:)

[kilo]

i found this http://www.worldairforces.com/Countries/vietnam/vtn.html i think its an order of battle but i can't make much sense of it i wondered what everybody else thought

[marxist_command]

i found this http://www.worldairforces.com/Countries/vietnam/vtn.html i think its an order of battle but i can't make much sense of it i wondered what everybody else thought

HEy, that's quite interesting. I think nobody cares about That thing. I looked at the site u put but it didn't give me any clues

[contedicavour]

if anyone could give me the current OrBAT of the vietnamese air force/naval aviation plus procurement plans for new aircraft that would be great. Also does anyone know the stae of repair/availability of spare parts and weapons of those aircraft.:)

The article provided in the link is pretty accurate after all. It basically says :
> 12 SU-27/30
> 190 SU-22 of different versions
> still a hundred South Vietnam-vintage F-5s though I doubt these still fly
> more than 300 MIG-21s of different versions
> 2 dozen L-39 trainers
Without forgetting older Su-19 and MIG-15/17 which are worthy of a museum.

cheers

[andrei]

According to IISS 2006, Vietnamese OFBAT
4 Su 30 MKK
7 SU 27 SK
140 Mig 21 bis L and N
53 Su 22, Su 17
12 an 12,12 an 26 for transport
26 mi 24 attack helicopters, 30 mi 17 transport
AAM AA10, AA12, AA8, AA2

[contedicavour]

According to IISS 2006, Vietnamese OFBAT
4 Su 30 MKK
7 SU 27 SK
140 Mig 21 bis L and N
53 Su 22, Su 17
12 an 12,12 an 26 for transport
26 mi 24 attack helicopters, 30 mi 17 transport
AAM AA10, AA12, AA8, AA2

Thanks for the detailed and accurate answer :)
Apart from the few Flankers with the AA12 this looks like an obsolete air force.

cheers

[kilo]

well the air force looks like it goes for quanity over quality but does anyone know if they have the logistics to keep those aircraft even flyable

[marxist_command]

According to IISS 2006, Vietnamese OFBAT
4 Su 30 MKK
7 SU 27 SK
140 Mig 21 bis L and N
53 Su 22, Su 17
12 an 12,12 an 26 for transport
26 mi 24 attack helicopters, 30 mi 17 transport
AAM AA10, AA12, AA8, AA2

140? Sure is quantity type. Isn't it a little reckless to use mig-21 now? Don't want any pilot die right? BTW do they have any modernization nearby?

[itanium7000]

According to IISS 2006, Vietnamese OFBAT
4 Su 30 MKK
7 SU 27 SK
140 Mig 21 bis L and N
53 Su 22, Su 17
12 an 12,12 an 26 for transport
26 mi 24 attack helicopters, 30 mi 17 transport
AAM AA10, AA12, AA8, AA2

Vietnamese Air-Force have not AA-12 missle.

[renjer]

Here is an article on the Vietnamese air force. The original is in German. The English translation is courtesy of Babel Fish so don't laugh.

Kon Quan Nhan Dan Viet Nam (Luftwaffe der vietnamesischen Volksarmee)

The Babel Fish translation:

The efforts of China did not remain unnoticed and in Viet Nam found likewise fallen to the Su-27, which appear in the best way suitable around the strategic interests Hanois in the southChinese sea to protect. 1994 was supplied the first six machines, 1995 further six Su-27 were ordered. In the meantime the Vietnamesi Air Force has 14 machines in the service (11xSK, 3xUBK) and further 24 is ordered. Vietnamesi considerations within the next 6-8 years around altogether 36-60 machines of the types Su-27 and Su-30 to supplement stand in the area. Together with modernized Su-22 "Fitter" fighter-bombers and at expense of the number of items of smaller fighters, as for instance the Mig-21, which can be inserted for lack of range if necessary over the territorial waters of the mainland, one with the Flankern each opponent within the range of the Paracelsus and Spratly islands, including one "to curious" US Navy thinks to have grown.

The original in German:

Die Bemühungen Chinas blieben nicht unbemerkt und in Vietnam fand ebenfalls gefallen an der Su-27, welche bestens geeignet erscheint um die strategischen Interessen Hanois im südchinesischen Meer zu wahren. 1994 wurden die ersten sechs Maschinen geliefert, 1995 weitere sechs Su-27 geordert. Inzwischen hat die Vietnamesische Luftwaffe 14 Maschinen im Dienst (11xSK, 3xUBK) und weitere 24 sind bestellt. Vietnamesische Überlegungen innerhalb der nächsten 6-8 Jahre um insgesamt 36-60 Maschinen der Typen Su-27 und Su-30 aufzustocken stehen im Raum.
Gemeinsam mit modernisierten Su-22 "Fitter" Jagdbombern und auf Kosten der Stückzahl kleinerer Jagdflugzeuge, wie etwa der Mig-21, welche mangels Reichweite allenfalls über den Küstengewässern des Festlandes eingesetzt werden können, denkt man mit den Flankern jedem Gegner im Bereich der Paracelsus und Spratly Inseln, inklusive einer "zu neugierigen" US-Navy, gewachsen zu sein.

http://www.airpower.at/news04/0706_flanker/asien.htm

Here is a link for another listing of their aircraft inventory:

http://www.fighter-jets.de/index.php?lang=e

[Twister]

Wow...the saga of Red Star squadron cont....With the no. of aircraft and experience, VPAF seem become most powerfull Airforce in South East Asia..

[Pro'forma]

To eastern pleasure their military and aerieal/air is reconciling domestic
needs via foreign free trade. It's not military alone, reciprocity to get
low with over-heated supplement

Supplied by the context, need to create a well-being both South and
North, especially with long-term military supplement.
Without wall around the country, they, the feelings should be optimistic
Vietnam land. Reclamation as ground resources are leading better
air force. No primitive man or primitive county will happily struggling incomprehensible trade agreements.

Their young country and young cooperation is as first-steps to stand alone.
Shouldn't we forget, we are not that different, to cover us all.

[Skyman]

The news several years ago said the Vietnamese will buy up to 50 Su-30s. But nothing were confirmed.

In south east asia we hear very little about Vietnamese Air Force.:(

[Izzy1]

Janes World Air Forces - 06/12/2007

Vietnamese Peoples Army Air Force

SU-27K Flanker B - 7
SU-30MKK Flanker - 2 (another 8 subject to option)
Mig 21 Fishbed L/N - 140
SU-22M3 Fitter H - 34
SU-22M4 Fitter K - 25
An-26 Curl - 12
An-2 Colt - 4 (many more in civil service)
L-39C Albatros - 20
SU-22UM3 Fitter G - 6
SU-27UB Flanker C - 3

Mi-24 Hind-D - 28
Mi-8/Mi-17 Hip - 55
Ka-28 Helix A - 7
Bell UH-1H - 12
Ka-32T Helix C - 2


Numerically by far the strongest air force in SE Asia. However, there is a lack of experienced air crew and low funding means that even front-line units rarely fly more than 40 flight-hours per year. Command, Control and doctrine are slowely moving away from Soviet-era tactics. Increased level of Indian influence - especially among the transport squadrons.

[weasel1962]

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[Izzy1]

What year IISS is that? Looks like the old 2005/6 issue to me.

Here's the amazon link to the latest issue

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Military-Balance-2007/dp/1857434374/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=gateway&qid=1202354855&sr=8-1

[M21]

For today 2008 are running now.

20 Su27/ and 4 SU30 =24 pieces in service now, and 8SU27 will be delivery in late 2009. and 8 Su30 will be completed at 2010, and 24 pieces of SU30 will delivery from 2010 to 2014.
53 Su 22, they had before since soviet era ( upgraded with some advanced options)
Poland sold to them around 40 SU22 with good condition and advanced avionic completed delivery in 11/2007.
150-160 Mig21F (245) pieces 2006 ,Now =160 good condition and advance upgraded options,other need parts
you guy forgot about this
35 MIg23 very good condition russian paid for renting camranh base.

Soviet Union 5 Antonov An-30 Clank reconnaissance
Soviet Union 35 Antonov An-26 Curl
Soviet Union 16 Antonov An-24 Coke regional airliner/transport (actual number = 24) where is 8?
Soviet Union 6 Antonov An-38 - stretched version of the An-28
Poland 12 PZL M-28 Skytruck - twin-engined high-wing cantilever monoplane

Soviet Union 30 Mi-8 Hip transport helicopter
Soviet Union 16 Mi-17 Hip-H transport helicopter
Soviet Union 3 Kamov Ka-25 Hormone
Soviet Union 8 Ka-27 Helix ASW helicopter (16 pieces in delivery) ??
Russia 6 Ka-32 Kamov
United States Bell Helicopter 60 UH-1H Huey utility helicopter
Soviet Union 26 Mil Mi-24 Hind-A (actual number = 60 pieces)
France 12 SA-330J Puma civilian transport helicopter - from the Ministry of Defence
France 9 Aérospatiale Super Puma AS-332L2 transport helicopter - from the Ministry of defence

Domestic vietnamese made(sorry guy my father don't know how many)
Vietnamese Made airplane: Vietnam HL-1, HL-2, VNS-41 domestic produced amphibious light plane
Vietnam M-400 UAV

[Skyman]

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Oh thank you. Very informative post. Seem like the news that they will opts for 50 Su27/30 is true. :)

[contedicavour]

Very interesting data thanks for posting.
Over 50 Flankers operational already represents quite a bulwark against PLAN air force.
Do we have any data on SAMs as well ? Any S300 ?

cheers

[M21]

Hanoi: Vietnam today is a peaceful place, economical,polictical system are very stable ,their economics are rising up with 8.6 per year all country in the world chose vietnam as investment destinations. It will the trade rout for whole asia and the world in next 15 years. in order to do like this: Vietnamese requested 2 batteries of S300 to watch over vietnam sky and extends Sam license from Sam 3 to 18 for domestic productions. but in 2008 for my believes they have 4 batteries of 2 S300 PMU1, 2 S300 PMU2.

Ok finger yourseft...but Air-defence system, I think most pilots don't want to there. First, I don't believe..a tinny country like them still maintain 28K Anti-Aircraft Gun. and very crownded SA,4.5.6.7..14,18.
Oh I forget about this: they have some B/C scud but not over 200 of them. for my belief :90B = 300 km and 75C were upgraded from 700 km to 900 km as succeeded test from NorthVN to Central part of the country by reduced payload to extend ranges in last few years.

[weasel1962]

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[M21]

Vietnamese today: They are increasing millitary powers, is just for protection of their sea and land also to gain insurrance for all investors and maintain regional millitary balance stable. They are not targeting to any country, or even some minors conflict with china.: like my quote above you can understand. If you ask me what is exact numbers of their aipowers abililities are hard to answer: you can add all fighters above and see can they hold any attack from outside? So finger out .... This source above is 90% percent is right, cuz alot analyser already knew about it.

[Skyman]

Vietnamese today: They are increasing millitary powers, is just for protection of their sea and land also to gain insurrance for all investors and maintain regional millitary balance stable. They are not targeting to any country, or even some minors conflict with china.: like my quote above you can understand. If you ask me what is exact numbers of their aipowers abililities are hard to answer: you can add all fighters above and see can they hold any attack from outside? So finger out .... This source above is 90% percent is right, cuz alot analyser already knew about it.

I think another inspiration of Vietname military build up is Spratly Islands. :)

[weasel1962]

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[Izzy1]

For today 2008 are running now.

20 Su27/ and 4 SU30 =24 pieces in service now, and 8SU27 will be delivery in late 2009. and 8 Su30 will be completed at 2010, and 24 pieces of SU30 will delivery from 2010 to 2014.
53 Su 22, they had before since soviet era ( upgraded with some advanced options)
Poland sold to them around 40 SU22 with good condition and advanced avionic completed delivery in 11/2007.
150-160 Mig21F (245) pieces 2006 ,Now =160 good condition and advance upgraded options,other need parts
you guy forgot about this
35 MIg23 very good condition russian paid for renting camranh base.

Soviet Union 5 Antonov An-30 Clank reconnaissance
Soviet Union 35 Antonov An-26 Curl
Soviet Union 16 Antonov An-24 Coke regional airliner/transport (actual number = 24) where is 8?
Soviet Union 6 Antonov An-38 - stretched version of the An-28
Poland 12 PZL M-28 Skytruck - twin-engined high-wing cantilever monoplane

Soviet Union 30 Mi-8 Hip transport helicopter
Soviet Union 16 Mi-17 Hip-H transport helicopter
Soviet Union 3 Kamov Ka-25 Hormone
Soviet Union 8 Ka-27 Helix ASW helicopter (16 pieces in delivery) ??
Russia 6 Ka-32 Kamov
United States Bell Helicopter 60 UH-1H Huey utility helicopter
Soviet Union 26 Mil Mi-24 Hind-A (actual number = 60 pieces)
France 12 SA-330J Puma civilian transport helicopter - from the Ministry of Defence
France 9 Aérospatiale Super Puma AS-332L2 transport helicopter - from the Ministry of defence

Domestic vietnamese made(sorry guy my father don't know how many)
Vietnamese Made airplane: Vietnam HL-1, HL-2, VNS-41 domestic produced amphibious light plane
Vietnam M-400 UAV

Can we seriously reference the source of above? This website would have a winner against Jane's and IISS????

[M21]

Jane and IISS based on the contract from 1994 to 2003. Now is 2008 also Jane/IISS don't have people who worked in manufacture company then data some time not update, If you can speak Hebrew, German, Russian,Vietnamese,French,and then you can say it true, You can see it clearly, all toys from them have been using from soviet era then nothing news..if from now to 2014 if they increase 64 pieces of SU just nothing if to say for country which potentically leading south east asia in the future.

Did Jane/IISS knew Russia paid 35 Mig23 for renting Camranh base?
Did Jane/IISS ask all interpretors who translate for techicians when they come to help Vietnamese Upgraded toys....If yes. Jane/IISS are right , if No. the datas above are 80-90% right. I don't want to say 100% but just 80-90%

[Izzy1]

Jane and IISS based on the contract from 1994 to 2003. Now is 2008 also Jane/IISS don't have people who worked in manufacture company then data some time not update, If you can speak Hebrew, German, Russian,Vietnamese,French,and then you can say it true, You can see it clearly, all toys from them have been using from soviet era then nothing news..if from now to 2014 if they increase 64 pieces of SU just nothing if to say for country which potentically leading south east asia in the future.

Did Jane/IISS knew Russia paid 35 Mig23 for renting Camranh base?
Did Jane/IISS ask all interpretors who translate for techicians when they come to help Vietnamese Upgraded toys....If yes. Jane/IISS are right , if No. the datas above are 80-90% right. I don't want to say 100% but just 80-90%

Good for you. In the meantime, don't quote them. Ok.

[M21]

Sure, I will not post anything related to Vietnamese Millitary powers any more. I understand your concerns. If you are vietnamese than I am sorry Man.

[nevidimka]

Wow, thats way more flankers than even te RMAF. VAF seems to be the proper challenger to Singapore's AF. They are very quiet, but are really building up thier air force.
Its interesting to see how they already operationalised S300. n yet if the other ASEAN tiger economies were to aquire such a system, it would have created a furore, n accusations of arms race.

[M21]

For today 2008 are running now.

20 Su27/ and 4 SU30 =24 pieces in service now, and 8SU27 will be delivery in late 2009. and 8 Su30 will be completed at 2010, and 24 pieces of SU30 will delivery from 2010 to 2014.
53 Su 22, they had before since soviet era ( upgraded with some advanced options)
Poland sold to them around 40 SU22 with good condition and advanced avionic completed delivery in 11/2007.
150-160 Mig21F (245) pieces 2006 ,Now =160 good condition and advance upgraded options,other need parts
you guy forgot about this
35 MIg23 very good condition russian paid for renting camranh base.

Soviet Union 5 Antonov An-30 Clank reconnaissance
Soviet Union 35 Antonov An-26 Curl
Soviet Union 16 Antonov An-24 Coke regional airliner/transport (actual number = 24) where is 8?
Soviet Union 6 Antonov An-38 - stretched version of the An-28
Poland 12 PZL M-28 Skytruck - twin-engined high-wing cantilever monoplane

Soviet Union 30 Mi-8 Hip transport helicopter
Soviet Union 16 Mi-17 Hip-H transport helicopter
Soviet Union 3 Kamov Ka-25 Hormone
Soviet Union 8 Ka-27 Helix ASW helicopter (16 pieces in delivery) ??
Russia 6 Ka-32 Kamov
United States Bell Helicopter 60 UH-1H Huey utility helicopter
Soviet Union 26 Mil Mi-24 Hind-A and D class (actual number = 60 pieces)
France 12 SA-330J Puma civilian transport helicopter - from the Ministry of Defence
France 9 Aérospatiale Super Puma AS-332L2 transport helicopter - from the Ministry of defence

Domestic vietnamese made(sorry guy my father don't know how many)
Vietnamese Made airplane: Vietnam HL-1, HL-2, VNS-41 domestic produced amphibious light plane
Vietnam M-400 UAV


Look at it, Nothing new for them...Just couple dozen flankers in services. What else? nothing....to much concern about them.

[Ozzy Blizzard]

Wow, thats way more flankers than even te RMAF. VAF seems to be the proper challenger to Singapore's AF. They are very quiet, but are really building up thier air force.
Its interesting to see how they already operationalised S300. n yet if the other ASEAN tiger economies were to aquire such a system, it would have created a furore, n accusations of arms race.

You need alot more than a few flankers (even platfroms in general) to challange Singapore. They are far more capable on an EW and systems level, not to mention C4ISR. The only regional players who are comperable are the ADF and PROC in terms of in theater capability (if you wanna count them since they are technically a North Asian power).

[Pert]

maybe...spratly island will be a source of conflict in SEA and China...
Vietnam,China,Malaysia,Philiphine all want spratly island....but for vietnam, PLA is the closest country to take care...Malaysia also did mention that it air force and navy expansion is to protect their Economic Exclusive Zone which will include spratly island...

[Pert]

I think another inspiration of Vietname military build up is Spratly Islands. :)

im answering for this man...sorry dude if i make u all confuse...

[Pert]

You need alot more than a few flankers (even platfroms in general) to challange Singapore. They are far more capable on an EW and systems level, not to mention C4ISR. The only regional players who are comperable are the ADF and PROC in terms of in theater capability (if you wanna count them since they are technically a North Asian power).

Singapore is very powerful in term of military assets....BUT they are unlucky because they lack of geographical area...IMO they best the way to neutralize singapore is by sabotage(dont mean to be offensive to anybody)
the main concern of Vietnamese is PLA..
SAF doctrine is to use pre-emptive strike to paralize their enemy,but with vietnam, it almost impossible...
IMO, Vietname will be the most powerful arm force in SEA in the future...with massive army, growing air force and navy assets plus good economic growth..it is not impossible...+ War experience with US will be their greater advantage...

[weasel1962]

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[Pert]

It would be nice to know the source of that one...

http:// (please put www here) .littlespeck.com/ content/ security/ CTrendsSecurity-030114.htm

it is 1 of the sources..there is much more,do not have much time to give u all the sources(sorry mate)...but this doctrine is not a secret anymore...,it is nice if u can buy that book even the book analyse the situation in 2003...it is very interesting topic to discuss actually, but it maybe out of topic here and also too sensitive to discuss...(there is a lots of emotional people here<too patriotic perhap>)

VAF will keep growing, so as other SEA country. i believe, if the economy keep booming, Singapore will not be a military leader in SEA anymore, maybe Vietnam, Malaysia, and Thailand...but it take time to happen...just time and economy..believe me..

just want to add,Taiwan and Brunei also involve in spratly island conflict.

[weasel1962]

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[weasel1962]

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[M21]

I am in the middle, but I can say Vietnamese will be leader of SEA in the future. They want to make sure they are the trade rout for all SEA country and China, Japan,Korea, US and other western country for business. For Conventional Military hardware power I can say they are just behind North Korean a bit. Vietnamese now pursue the friendly diplomatic to all coutry, Their theory is gain more friend and do business, not challenging to any country, they want to make every body happy cuz they experienced in the war that is why no doubt US and China, Rusia, England, France, Japan, German,Korea want to put their culture, business and tied relation with Vietnam.

This country catch my attention

[Pert]

Nevertheless, it should be recognised that the concept of pre-emption has not been officially attributed to or adopted by the Singapore armed forces.[/QUOTE]
it is true, but please think deeply, if war happen, what stategy will be used by Singapore, with limited land area, they cant afford it...so pre-emptive will be the best choice for them.

[M21]

For distance 1150 km from Ho Chi Minh City to Singapore, then No one crazy go that far to make pre- strike,unless they have carrier. You want to fly to Vietnam without come back or something. There are only 3 country in Asia can do pre-strike. that are China, North Korea and Vietnam by their by long range artillery now. Once again, If Singapore jet way to Vietnam border 200 to 300 km they will be shot down by S300 PMU1 or PMU2 already.:) .Although,Russia are not present army in Vietnam any more, but I believe they are alway in the back of VN in any case of conflict. Also I think , US consider Vietnan as an indirect asset strategic partners and they want to build up vietnan like A Casino for many business players to come there to play.Vietnan will be fair dealer for all business pockers.That is why vietnam now, they want to gain more friends and they want to make every people happy.

Peace for all

[weasel1962]

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[Pert]

For distance 1150 km from Ho Chi Minh City to Singapore, then No one crazy go that far to make pre- strike,unless they have carrier. You want to fly to Vietnam without come back or something. There are only 3 country in Asia can do pre-strike. that are China, North Korea and Vietnam by their by long range artillery now. Once again, If Singapore jet way to Vietnam border 200 to 300 km they will be shot down by S300 PMU1 or PMU2 already.:) .Although,Russia are not present army in Vietnam any more, but I believe they are alway in the back of VN in any case of conflict. Also I think , US consider Vietnan as an indirect asset strategic partners and they want to build up vietnan like A Casino for many business players to come there to play.Vietnan will be fair dealer for all business pockers.That is why vietnam now, they want to gain more friends and they want to make every people happy.

Peace for all

they doesnt have carrier, but they have inflight refueling tanker....
how far japan to hawaii?it is not impossible, but there is possibility...
however,there is no significant factor that will lead them to war...
oh yeah,Singapore pre-emptive strike MAYBE suitable for MY and INA only..

It depends on the strategy. I think also you have to consider what exactly pre-emption means...

I have no doubt that SG will seek consensus for the deployment of its forces in either MY or TH in the spirit of the FPDA. In most scenarios I can think of, either of both MY or TH will share the same defensive considerations as SG. Accordingly, the issue of pre-emption is unlikely to arise.

Of course, pre-emption is a more likely possibility only if one considers a MY vs SG scenario. However, it is not a given that SG will seek to pre-empt in a military conflict with MY. There are a multitude of factors that have to be considered.

As highlighted, when one looks at the pointer articles, it is clear that small state strategies are considered. In all of the articles, the concept of battlefield space is a valid one but nevertheless, the possibility of pre-emption is not elevated because it is but a single factor in the analyses.

I think in view of the above, to definitively say that pre-emption is a definitive part of the SG military strategy, is not considering the big picture carefully.



The current de-facto leader (in terms of influence) is actually Indonesia and will remain so in the short-medium term. Vietnam does not enjoy significant advantages compared to either Thailand or Philippines that will enable it to take a leadership role within SEA. It is growing rapidly but has a lot to catch up. In the longer term, maybe but that could be like many many decades away.

when we predict future situation...there is too many factor...too many...
but im personally choose vietnam rather than Indonesia. just want to show 1 of the factor:

Indonesia
1,919,440 square kilometers (741,050 sq mi),
consists of 17,508 islands (6000 inhabited)

Vietnam
is approximately 331,688 km² (128,066 sq mi)
consist of 15 islands

there is too many "open door" to invade INA....

[M21]

It is true, Vietnam now are very busy to build up the country. They don't enjoy to get in political stage in SEA. They Let Indonesisa or Thai hold the flag. Their points are how to prepare international shop for all country.Oh Vietnam signed the treaty with all SEA Nation, they won't put hand in any SEA internal affairs or attacking any country of SEA( This is assurrance). other hand Vietnam like peace talking advisor to the conficts or mistrusting among Indonesia,Singapore or Malaysia, I think they solved last year after 3 country leaders consulted with Vietnam and Thai in conferrence.

[mohd2590]

singapore cant invade easily coz they have base in other countries :)

[swerve]

singapore cant invade easily coz they have base in other countries :)
mohd2590,

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[Feanor]

Vietnam has just signed a 1 billion contract for 12 Su-30MK2 fighters. It seems that this is on top of an earlier contract for 8 Su-30MK2 fighters (signed in '09), and would bring their total Flanker fleet to somewhere around 30-40 fighters. From what I've read they're currently operating 12 Su-30MK2, 12 Su-27SK, and several Su-27UB.

Lenta.ru: Îðóæèå: Âüåòíàì êóïèë ó Ðîññèè 12 èñòðåáèòåëåé Ñó-30ÌÊ2 (http://lenta.ru/news/2010/02/10/su30/)

[Feanor]

Vietnam has just signed a 1 billion contract for 12 Su-30MK2 fighters. It seems that this is on top of an earlier contract for 8 Su-30MK2 fighters (signed in '09), and would bring their total Flanker fleet to somewhere around 30-40 fighters. From what I've read they're currently operating 12 Su-30MK2, 12 Su-27SK, and several Su-27UB.

Lenta.ru: Îðóæèå: Âüåòíàì êóïèë ó Ðîññèè 12 èñòðåáèòåëåé Ñó-30ÌÊ2 (http://lenta.ru/news/2010/02/10/su30/)