Iran, Russia sign $1 billion defence deal

[siresoul]

Iran, Russia sign $1 billion defence deal: reports
(Reuters)
2 December 2005

MOSCOW - Russia plans to sell more than $1 billion worth of tactical surface-to-air missiles and other defence hardware to Iran, media reported on Friday.

The Vedomosti business daily cited military sources as saying Iran would buy 29 TOR-M1 systems designed to bring down aircraft and guided missiles at low altitudes.

The paper, calling it the biggest sale of Russian defence hardware to Iran for about five years, said Moscow and Tehran had already signed the contract.

Interfax news agency separately quoted a source as saying the deal, which would also include modernising Iran’s air force and supplying some patrol boats, was worth more than $1 billion.
Source : http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2005/December/middleeast_December56.xml&section=middleeast

What Weapons will be Iran Going to buy from Russia??

[Dr Phobus]

This is an opinion:

It will be SAM's, low and high altitude and Air search Radar's. They are more affordable and quicker to "set up" than a effective figther force for air defence. I am sure this will be a trend for them, espiecally since they are deveopling a nuclear capability.

if any one know any thing else :unknown

[adsH]

This is an opinion:

It will be SAM's, low and high altitude and Air search Radar's. They are more affordable and quicker to "set up" than a effective figther force for air defence. I am sure this will be a trend for them, espiecally since they are deveopling a nuclear capability.

if any one know any thing else :unknown


YOu cannot expect to maintain a credible defence without Fighting Units in Air.

[Snayke]

Dr Phobus - What do you mean "developing nuclear capability"? They already have nuclear capability.

[aaaditya]

What Weapons will be Iran Going to buy from Russia??

i believe the patrol boats would be the russian mirage class of high speed patrol boats.

[Akula540]

Dr Phobus - What do you mean "developing nuclear capability"? They already have nuclear capability.


You mean Iran have a nuclear capability? They most definately don't have nuclear capability although they may have some plans to develop such a capability like US and EU are suspecting. According to Britain they are also developing long-range missiles which is quite worrying. Idea of Iran kind fundamentalist state with long-range missiles and nuclear warheads makes me uneasy.

[Dr Phobus]

I agree with this statement totally. Iran does not have nuclear ability yet. They are on the path, but are severial years away, a lot dependents on how much technology and know-how the N. Korians and the Chinese are willing to share. I am sure the world will know when the Iranians are a nuclear power.

I think the entire billion dollar deal was for SAM systems.

To respond to some eariler comments; l do not argue that SAM's systems alone make a credible air defence, consider the 6 day war, the beckar valley, and gulf war "one" as examples. However, having a plentiful suppliy of effective SAM systems is a good and rapid way of protecting your own airspace. Verses, exspandng the number and qualitiy of one's airforce. No one will argue that the Iranian's should not do the later, rather the former "approach" as its benefits is the only point i am trying to make. Peronally, I am surprized that the Iranian's have not moved forward witgh more newer, high performance plans and in higher numbers.

:gun

[aaaditya]

I agree with this statement totally. Iran does not have nuclear ability yet. They are on the path, but are severial years away, a lot dependents on how much technology and know-how the N. Korians and the Chinese are willing to share. I am sure the world will know when the Iranians are a nuclear power.

I think the entire billion dollar deal was for SAM systems.

To respond to some eariler comments; l do not argue that SAM's systems alone make a credible air defence, consider the 6 day war, the beckar valley, and gulf war "one" as examples. However, having a plentiful suppliy of effective SAM systems is a good and rapid way of protecting your own airspace. Verses, exspandng the number and qualitiy of one's airforce. No one will argue that the Iranian's should not do the later, rather the former "approach" as its benefits is the only point i am trying to make. Peronally, I am surprized that the Iranian's have not moved forward witgh more newer, high performance plans and in higher numbers.

:gun

its a pretty big deal and includes besides the tor sams,the t90s main battle tanks and options for s-300 atbm.

[SABRE]

They gonna modernize their airforce & also buy land force equipment with just $1 Billion ! I mean the PAF F-16 package only costs more than $4Billion while the modernization package costs even more. Doesnt seem like Iran is realy going to buy much of fighters in $1 Billion deal. They desperately need to replace their F-14s, F-4s & F-5s.

Seeing the current political scenerio in Middle East (Between Iran & Israel), Iran has more threat from air than land & seening the size of their country & size of the airforce it would be tough job to defend their airspace.

[aaaditya]

They gonna modernize their airforce & also buy land force equipment with just $1 Billion ! I mean the PAF F-16 package only costs more than $4Billion while the modernization package costs even more. Doesnt seem like Iran is realy going to buy much of fighters in $1 Billion deal. They desperately need to replace their F-14s, F-4s & F-5s.

Seeing the current political scenerio in Middle East (Between Iran & Israel), Iran has more threat from air than land & seening the size of their country & size of the airforce it would be tough job to defend their airspace.
actually russia is claiming that this defence deal is a bait for iran to give up its uranium enrichment programme or to accept russian proposal for uranium enrichment(the iranian uranium to be enriched in russia or for russia to provide uranium for iranian power requirements),the world community favours the russian proposal but iran is having its doubts.

[Hussain]

They gonna modernize their airforce & also buy land force equipment with just $1 Billion ! I mean the PAF F-16 package only costs more than $4Billion while the modernization package costs even more. Doesn't seem like Iran is really going to buy much of fighters in $1 Billion deal. They desperately need to replace their F-14s, F-4s & F-5s.

Seeing the current political scenario in Middle East (Between Iran & Israel), Iran has more threat from air than land & seeing the size of their country & size of the airforce it would be tough job to defend their airspace.

I agree. I don't think 1 billion dollars will buy you much in arms today. It is quite obvious that the Iranians do not have really an offensive military force. The missiles Iran act as a deterrent and the rhetoric is merely rhetoric.

In order to modernise the Iranian airforce they will have to induct at least 250+ modern airplanes. These will be limited in choice to the SU27/SU30 and F10. reason being that the cannot get Western fighters and also the range of these planes may be appropriate for offensive action. The Fencer can also be a valuable piece of hardware for purchase.

I think the Iranians need to spend at least 10-15 billion dollars to modernise their military.

[aaaditya]

fencer seems to be a very outdated option,i believe a better option would be chinese jh-7,one advantage for iran in acquiring the jh-7 would be that it can also be used maritime bombing roles another option would be acquiring the mig29-35.i believe iran already operated some mig29's (maybe defected from iraq).

[Hussain]

SU27 is still more powerful and more capable fighter-bomber. plenty of examples of this plane may be available from ex USSR at knockdown prices. I am not sure how many examples of the Mig 29 iran operates at present. I think they directly purchased 40-50 from Russia and had dozen or so from Iraq. I think they also received Iraqi F1's and SU24's.

The latter Mig 29's offered to India could be a good proposition for Iran. But overall nobody really knows how many Russian fighters Iran operates. The Revolutionary Guards have J7 Skybolts. Won't be much effective against F16's or F15's unless they have had serious radar and ECM upgrades. I don't think the Iranian F7's are a serious point to point interceptor.

[Dr Phobus]

SU27 is still more powerful and more capable fighter-bomber. plenty of examples of this plane may be available from ex USSR at knockdown prices. I am not sure how many examples of the Mig 29 iran operates at present. I think they directly purchased 40-50 from Russia and had dozen or so from Iraq. I think they also received Iraqi F1's and SU24's.

The latter Mig 29's offered to India could be a good proposition for Iran. But overall nobody really knows how many Russian fighters Iran operates. The Revolutionary Guards have J7 Skybolts. Won't be much effective against F16's or F15's unless they have had serious radar and ECM upgrades. I don't think the Iranian F7's are a serious point to point interceptor.

I understand the deal included up-grades to the fulcrums and the fencer planes. Of course, there's a real lack of details on the nature of the up-grades, also, if there's any additional ordinance. :D

[aaaditya]

by the way guns does this deal include the purchase of the iskander-e and the tocka short ranged surface to surface ballistic missiles,the latest variant of the igla surface to air missiles ,and the tungushka-m1 surface to air missiles?

they had expressed an interest in all these systems.

[Dr Phobus]

by the way guns does this deal include the purchase of the iskander-e and the tocka short ranged surface to surface ballistic missiles,the latest variant of the igla surface to air missiles ,and the tungushka-m1 surface to air missiles?

they had expressed an interest in all these systems.

According to janes, it did not mention any thing about SSM systems. Upgrades, mirage patrol boats, Tor 1M SAM. Thats all i know..

[siresoul]

IRAN SEEKS S-300 FROM RUSSIA

MOSCOW [MENL] -- Iran has entered an advanced stage of negotiations for the Russian-origin S-300 anti-aircraft and missile system.

Russian industry sources said Moscow and Teheran have held a series of talks for the Iranian purchase of the S-300 long-range surface-to-air missile system. The sources said the negotiations focused on the Iranian acquisition of an S-300 platform that would have missile interception capabilities.

"The negotiations were expected to be concluded shortly, but there are diplomatic issues that could block a contract," an industry source said.

On Jan. 13, the Kommersant business daily reported that a Russian team had arrived in Teheran to draft an S-300 contract. But Kommersant said the delegation was ordered to return to Moscow amid Teheran's resumption of uranium nuclear enrichment.
Link (http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2006/january/01_17_2.html)

Short time ago Iran bought Tor-M1 now they are buying S-300...they are developing a good air Defence but they are not concentratinging on their Air Force as they are operating their old f-4's ...........in an war their Air Force dosenot stand a chance ......

[wittmanace]

i dont remember the news source, so im not saying this is fact written in stone, but i remember a nws source in the uk saying that the iranians had acquired s 300 systems.....anyone remember this story? the story gave a few details, but not many. in th picture they used, there was an s 300pmu, though that might have been for visual reference, rather than showing the actual type sold................anyone know this story...as i said i think it was a uk news source (not bbc)...

[turin]

The Iranians are very interested in S-300 systems. However as of yet I am not aware of any report confirming a deal between Russia and Iran in these matters. In fact every news report only talks about "Iran seeking..., Iran wants..." etc. Since the S-300 would mean a lot more troubles for a possible strike against Iran than the TOR-units, I imagine that quite some political pressure might be on Russia over intentions of such a transfer.

[Cootamundra]

I think the Iranians need to spend at least 10-15 billion dollars to modernise their military.

They do have the worlds second largest reserves of oil not to mention natural gas, if they can avoid economic santions (unlikely now) then they could do some kind of deal with the Russians for hard currency. Such a pity they dislike the yanks so much as they have energy reserves whilst the US has $$$$'s, perfect relationship apart from the small issue of resuming nuclear testing!

[ziggi]

It seems that the Russians are offering up air defense technology to the Iranians. It could be possible that the these systems are being offered at a substantial discount to the Iranians to convince them to drop their plans to make nukes. ie. Acquiring $5 billion in SAMs for $1 billion (my economics are most probably off but you get the picture)
For my theory to be correct the assumption must be made that the Iranians are only developing nukes for their own defense and perhaps the Russians or some third party understands their fears and wants to offer up discount SAMs to allay Iranian defense fears and to give them incentive to stop their nuke program without outright war.
Although judging by current US posturing and recent news it seems the Iranians don't feel that SAMs are enough.

[Dr Phobus]

It seems that the Russians are offering up air defense technology to the Iranians. It could be possible that the these systems are being offered at a substantial discount to the Iranians to convince them to drop their plans to make nukes. ie. Acquiring $5 billion in SAMs for $1 billion (my economics are most probably off but you get the picture)
For my theory to be correct the assumption must be made that the Iranians are only developing nukes for their own defense and perhaps the Russians or some third party understands their fears and wants to offer up discount SAMs to allay Iranian defense fears and to give them incentive to stop their nuke program without outright war.
Although judging by current US posturing and recent news it seems the Iranians don't feel that SAMs are enough.

Hello, indeed, the sale of weapons in only defensive in nature, a lot of tor-1 systems, which are well understood since greece also operates the same system. Also, 300-pmu were also noted. Also, upgrades to some of there air force. I have little doubt that iran are working hard to deveolp there own nukes and the russians have a lot of reason to help prevent that.. Remember chechnia. myself, i see the situation going military over time...

[Rich]

The Iranians will eat leather before they voluntarily give up their nuclear program. The S-300 is a perfectly capable system operating on its own, which is why they are buying it. They know their network is going to be the first thing that goes.

[Black Legion]

The main reason why Iranians want the S-300 SAM system because it just fits in with Tor-M1 system which is designed primarily to shoot down low flying aircraft, it can't shoot down planes above 20 000 feet, but when it's operational, flying low won't save you unless you can fly no higher then 15m which is impossible. When you combine it with the S-300 which can shoot down targets up to 30,000 m and it's a state of the art system, they can be deadly and effective anti-aircraft defense.

[Viktor]

i dont remember the news source, so im not saying this is fact written in stone, but i remember a nws source in the uk saying that the iranians had acquired s 300 systems.....anyone remember this story? the story gave a few details, but not many. in th picture they used, there was an s 300pmu, though that might have been for visual reference, rather than showing the actual type sold................anyone know this story...as i said i think it was a uk news source (not bbc)...
I remember. Iran has few bateries of S-300 but not the upgded versions of S-300PMU1/2/3.
There has being mutch talk about Russian sales of S-300PMU1/2/3 to Iran but I did not read any story supporting claims Iran did buy it.
Russia had being pulling out of some hudge military sales to Iran in the last moment due to US preasure and US promisses for new arms marked whitch did not happen. Russia has not sold since any advanced weapons to Iran.

[Grand Danois]

I remember. Iran has few bateries of S-300 but not the upgded versions of S-300PMU1/2/3.
There has being mutch talk about Russian sales of S-300PMU1/2/3 to Iran but I did not read any story supporting claims Iran did buy it.
Russia had being pulling out of some hudge military sales to Iran in the last moment due to US preasure and US promisses for new arms marked whitch did not happen. Russia has not sold since any advanced weapons to Iran.

Iran has some of the search radars associated with S-300, but not the fire control system or the missiles.

[Viktor]

Iran has some of the search radars associated with S-300, but not the fire control system or the missiles.
Perhaps but I read few article stating Iran has operational S-300 bateries outside Teheran. Older versions.