Pakistan & Malaysian Defence Relations

[siresoul]

Pakistan, Malaysia discuss defence cooperation

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and Malaysia have reiterated their mutual desire to further strengthen and enhance bilateral cooperation between the two countries particularly in the field of defence. This was discussed during a meeting between the visiting Malaysian Chief of Army Staff, General Dato Sri Abdul Aziz Bin Hj Zainal and senior Federal Minister and Minister for Defence, Rao Sikandar Iqbal, and Minister of State for Defence, Zahid Hamid, here on Wednesday.

The meeting exchanged views on matters of bilateral interest and stressed the need for greater collaboration between the two countries in different fields. The ministers apprised the visiting dignitary about the tremendous potential of the defence industry of Pakistan.

Gen Dato Sri Abdul Aziz Bin Hj Zainal praised the quality and standard of the defence equipment provided by Pakistan to Malaysia. Both sides underlined the need for enhanced cooperation in the area of training as well as exchange of military delegations so as to benefit of each otherÃ*s experience.

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html
That shows that they are happy with ANZAII... and what do you guys think they are Interested in buying from Pakistan???

[Elite-Pilot]

hmmmm....what can i say. Malaysia has been a very friendly country to the Islamic Rebublic of Pakistan and they have always shown concern. Now I dont know how much they donated for the recent earthquake but i do know that they have been trying to help. In the Defence field I think that both countries have showed interests in each others equipment. One possible thing that they are willing to buy of us will most likely be the JF-17 THUNDER mostly because of Malaysia's need for new lightweight low-cost aircraft. Infact Malaysia is on the list for Pakistan, for a possible customer of this Aircraft. Also Malaysia has been aquiring heavy aircraft and i think its crucial for them to purchase this jet. Inshallah, they will! and both countries could buy some ice-cream to enjoy co-operations!:p: :) ;) :D

[dreamwarrior73]

i'm sorry dudes. i don't think Malaysia is interested in buying the JF-17 Thunder. don't get me wrong. JF-17 is a decent plane. it just that it doesn't meet Malaysian Air Force requirement. Malaysia no longer operates single engine front line fighter anymore. beside in longer run Malaysia Air Force front line fighter inventory will only consist of Su-30MKM, Super Hornet and MiG-29. introducing another type of aircraft from totally new supplier/country will only exagerates ILS nightmares that Malaysian Air Force is having.

[Hussain]

I think the Malaysians will probably interested in purchasing light infantry weapons. They Malaysians have purchased Red Arrow missiles in the past that were apparently demonstrated in Bosnia. I thinik the Malaysuians ahve also purchased artillery rounds , mortars and H and K items.

[aaaditya]

they may buy your armoured personnel carriers ,these will be very usefull in malaysia which is a thickly wooded country ,though i doubt they will acquire any battle tanks.

[siresoul]

What type of tanks they are using(i mean malaysians)???
And What can Pakistan buy from Malaysia???

[dreamwarrior73]

I think the Malaysians will probably interested in purchasing light infantry weapons. They Malaysians have purchased Red Arrow missiles in the past that were apparently demonstrated in Bosnia. I thinik the Malaysuians ahve also purchased artillery rounds , mortars and H and K items.

maybe. maybe not. cos' Malaysia defence industries also produce light infantry weapons, firearms, artillery rounds, mortar rouns etc.

what Malaysia might be interested is procuring more Anza Mk 2 manpads and Baktar Shikan ATGW.

[dreamwarrior73]

they may buy your armoured personnel carriers ,these will be very usefull in malaysia which is a thickly wooded country ,though i doubt they will acquire any battle tanks.

again i don't so. cos' DefTech (a Malaysian defence company) already assembles FNSS ACV under license.

[dreamwarrior73]

What type of tanks they are using(i mean malaysians)???
And What can Pakistan buy from Malaysia???

Malaysian Army is using PT-91M (upgraded Polish T-72) MBT and Scorpion light tank.

what can Pakistan buy from Malaysia? good question. maybe:

1. warships. since Malaysia already bought Blohm + Voss Meko A100 design.
2. military vehicles. all sorts.
3. long range UAV

Malaysia has diverse defence industry but many are common with Pakistan. so i don't think Pakistan might be interested to buy something Malaysia produces that already being produces in Pakistan cos' each country has to support their own defence industry. what i have listed is what i think is not being produced in Pakistan.

[WebMaster]

Here are some threads that might spice up this discussion:


Malaysia may buy rocket launchers from Pakistan (http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1353)
ANZA MK2 SAM for Malaysian Army (http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=443)
Enjoy!

[ThunderBolt]

I am thinking that Malaysia doesn't have much ground hardware and i think that they would be intersted in buying the new tanks that pakistan is making. And the JF-17 part, my opinion they will surly buy it. But on the other hand i don't really know what Pakistan could buy from Malaysia while Malaysia can actually buy some good stuff.

[dreamwarrior73]

I am thinking that Malaysia doesn't have much ground hardware and i think that they would be intersted in buying the new tanks that pakistan is making. And the JF-17 part, my opinion they will surly buy it. But on the other hand i don't really know what Pakistan could buy from Malaysia while Malaysia can actually buy some good stuff.

sorry, Malaysia will not buy JF-17. Malaysia doesn't operate single engine frontline fighters anymore. introducing JF-17 will further exaggerate the ILS nightmares that the air force already having. Malaysia already has MiG-29, Su-30MKM and Hornet (soon to be replaced by Super Hornet).

i know badly you wanted Malaysia to be the launch customer. all i can is sorry it won't happened.

[WebMaster]

I agree with dreamwarrior, JF-17 is out of the question for Malaysia, at least for foreseeable future.

[Paxter]

I am thinking that Malaysia doesn't have much ground hardware and i think that they would be intersted in buying the new tanks that pakistan is making. And the JF-17 part, my opinion they will surly buy it. But on the other hand i don't really know what Pakistan could buy from Malaysia while Malaysia can actually buy some good stuff.

why would malaysia buy more tanks for? do you know where malaysia is? it is covered with very very very dense jungle terrain 70% 10% plantation and 20 % open land more tanks just gives our enemies more targets to take out.To give you a rough idea how dense i am talking about when i played paintball in this forest you were very lucky to be able to see your target more than 8 meters away from you. About not enough hardware... we have alot but not much heavy vech. cause of the obvious reasons... during the rainy season i really doubt our PT-90s will go very far

And for JF-17 ... its an "ok" plane but will never ever get approved by the malaysian gov... at the same time we need to do something about those hawks... 100, 200s

About what can malaysia supply pakistan not much i guess :D unless you want long range UAV, simulators, styer augs, MEKO 100s, ACV 300s then malaysia is ur guy...

[siresoul]

Rawalpindi—Malaysian Chief of Army Staff General Dato Sri Abdul Aziz bin Haji Zainal currently in Pakistan on an official visit on Thursday visited Malaysian Field Hospital in earthquake striken area of Batgram. Vice Chief of Army Staff General Ahsan Saleem Hyat accompanied him.

General Dato Sri Abdul Aziz met the medical staff of the Malaysian Field Hospital and appreciated their efforts for treating the earthquake victims.

General Ahsan Saleem Hyat also lauded the spirit of the Malaysian doctors and paramedics while treating the quake victims and thanked the Malaysian government for its assistance in the time of trial.

It may be mentioned here that Malaysian Field Hospital established in Batagram is a 50-bed hospital where 9 doctors along with other paramedics can undertake five operations daily. The hospital has provided medical treatment to the hundreds of victims in the vicinity till now. Later Malaysian Chief of Army Staff visited Heavy Industries Texila where he was received by Chairman HIT Lieutenant General Israr Ahmed Ghuman.

Malaysian Chef of Army Staff attended a briefing at HIT and took round of different shops established at HIT. He also witnessed a demonstration of tanks at HIT.
www.pakobserver.net
it means that malaysia has shown intrest in tanks as well and there is some talks of malaysian defence annouced that they want to buy some tanks some time back but i don't remember where and when but possibly 7 or 8 moths before

[Paxter]

witness a tank show does not meen going to buy... but i do think they are shopping for vech to support the tank batallion but for sure they wont be buying mbt or to boast the mech division cause we are building the ACV300 locally and that vech is well known to be the staple diet for the mech divisions.

Also i doubt they will be buying more stuff cause we spend a lot of money on ships and aircraft which is much more important than tanks atm. If they will be a real purchase its prob more anti tank weapons and manpads.

[ThunderBolt]

What can i say, if you guys live in Malaysia you definatily know more than i do so i believe you. Why do Malaysia not use "single" eingine frontline planes reasons please

[dreamwarrior73]

What can i say, if you guys live in Malaysia you definatily know more than i do so i believe you. Why do Malaysia not use "single" eingine frontline planes reasons please

my guess would be the realibility of the redundancy of twin engine. since Malaysia is also a maritime country. most flights most probably would be over water. in case one engine breakdown, the aircraft can still make it home with another engine.

also twin engine the increase survivability of the aircraft in combat. just my 2 cents.

[Paxter]

What can i say, if you guys live in Malaysia you definatily know more than i do so i believe you. Why do Malaysia not use "single" eingine frontline planes reasons please

Well for me my guess is because of the vast ocean we got to cover we got the straits of melacca on our left and the south china sea on our right with borneo in the south we need an effective fighter that can 1. go the distance and 2. 2 engines is always better than 1 esp when you have less then 50 main strike fighters.... in times of war this planes have to be able to operate in the most demanding circumstances.

malaysia now with mig 29s and su -30s are excellent air superiority fighters/ multi roll and the F/A 18s being our main anti ship fighters/ multi roll... besides if malaysia wanted a single engine plane they would have bought the grippen which was really considered till they paid for the SU-30 MKM

btw i have nothing against pakistani defence goods just my 2 cents worth on this topic...

[Paxter]

it means that malaysia has shown intrest in tanks as well and there is some talks of malaysian defence annouced that they want to buy some tanks some time back but i don't remember where and when but possibly 7 or 8 moths before

those intrest in tanks vanish when they baught the upgraded T-90s all 60 of em... i doubt malaysia would buy more tanks cause in truth we dont really need that many tanks they for sure cant be deployed in sabah or sarawak or the central part of malaysia cause of the dense forrest... if war ever comes this way and our fellow FPA (ANZAC,UK,Singapore) allies forget to help us. the war will be in the deep jungles of malaysia... i really think if any purchase will be done by our side it will be more fire power for the infantry men cause the trend between our two nations has always been manpads or anti tank weapons, or god knows why they baught a whole load of rpgs for the irregulars (prob cause its simple enough for them to handle)

[Paxter]

it means that malaysia has shown intrest in tanks as well and there is some talks of malaysian defence annouced that they want to buy some tanks some time back but i don't remember where and when but possibly 7 or 8 moths before
those intrest in tanks vanish when they baught the upgraded T-90s all 60 of em... i doubt malaysia would buy more tanks cause in truth we dont really need that many tanks they for sure cant be deployed in sabah or sarawak or the central part of malaysia cause of the dense forrest... if war ever comes this way and our fellow FPDA (ANZAC,UK,Singapore) allies forget to help us. the war will be in the deep jungles of malaysia... i really think if any purchase will be done by our side it will be more fire power for the infantry men cause the trend between our two nations has always been manpads or anti tank weapons, or god knows why they baught a whole load of rpgs for the irregulars (prob cause its simple enough for them to handle)

[aaaditya]

hey guys can someone tell me if malaysia has been offered the agosta 90b by pakistan and if so would malaysia consider acquiring them?

[adsH]

About what can malaysia supply pakistan not much i guess :D unless you want long range UAV, [/B] simulators,[B] styer augs, MEKO 100s, ACV 300s then malaysia is ur guy...

Actually Pakistan is designing it's own Simulators i'm not sure which stage they'r at but, i'd say simulators are designed for specific systems in mind.

[WebMaster]

Simulators for what?

[Elite-Pilot]

Thanks webster!

Later on in the year, hopefully Malaysia will be pleased with the technology of Pakistan and then later purchase Anza-MK-3(further variant of Mk-2). The MK-3 has an effective range of 15 making it extremely useful in tight positions.

[dreamwarrior73]

Paxter, bit of misleading in your posting there. Malaysia did not buy the T-90. Malaysia bought PT-91M from Poland. Malaysia has a plan to increase the number of MBTs to equip 3 regiments. possible candidates are:

1. PT-91M (Poland)
2. Al-Khalid (Pakistan)
3. T-84 (Ukraine)
4. T-90 (Russia)

notice that all candidates are of Eastern design. this is due to the weight limit in Malaysian soil.

[Hussain]

If the Malaysians have bought mbt's from Poland and are attempting to purchase more mbt's then in my opinion the Al Khalid would be in a strong contender for any future Malaysian mbt purchases.

I think one of the primary reasons for this would be the Al Khalids ability to operate in extremely wet conditions and snorkle under 'water'. Malaysia suffers from heavy rains and flooding so the Al khalid would be excellent for year around operations. Ilso think that pakistan may purchase palm oil towards offsetting some of the costs.

Malaysia should go for the Al Khalid because of its advanced mobility and the ability to operate in extremely wet environments. Malaysia suffers from heavy rainfall and localised flooding during many parts of the year. I don't think any other MBT from anywhere in the world has the all round capabilities of the Al Khalid.

I think Bangladesh is also interested in the Al Khalid due to its ability to operate effectively under water. As most people know Bangladesh suffers from severe flooding and therefore requires weapons systems that won't fail in extremely wet conditions, or overheat in the summer.

[aaaditya]

If the Malaysians have bought mbt's from Poland and are attempting to purchase more mbt's then in my opinion the Al Khalid would be in a strong contender for any future Malaysian mbt purchases.

I think one of the primary reasons for this would be the Al Khalids ability to operate in extremely wet conditions and snorkle under 'water'. Malaysia suffers from heavy rains and flooding so the Al khalid would be excellent for year around operations. Ilso think that pakistan may purchase palm oil towards offsetting some of the costs.

Malaysia should go for the Al Khalid because of its advanced mobility and the ability to operate in extremely wet environments. Malaysia suffers from heavy rainfall and localised flooding during many parts of the year. I don't think any other MBT from anywhere in the world has the all round capabilities of the Al Khalid.

I think Bangladesh is also interested in the Al Khalid due to its ability to operate effectively under water. As most people know Bangladesh suffers from severe flooding and therefore requires weapons systems that won't fail in extremely wet conditions, or overheat in the summer.

all modern battle tanks are capable of operating in wet conditions and snorkelling under water.i believe if the malaysians like their pt91 battle tanks then they will go for more of them,instead of acquiring a different type of tank as it will result in additional maintainence requirements.

[Paxter]

urm most tanks can go underwater just need the kit to do so... i dont think that is enough to make al-khalid "the" best choice... again i strongly stress dont put your hopes so high on mbt... cause it has been said over and over again, more main battle tanks are not in the agenda, we have more important things to get before turning towards heavy tanks... things that top the list are

- early warning aircrafts
- new transport helis
- advance trainers
- new ships
- anti aircraft weapons
- strengthening the army air core

[Hussain]

The Polish tank is an upgraded version of the T72 and can operate 5m under water with the aid of a snorkel. The T90 can operate 5m under water too The Al Khalid is in most respects (on paper anyway) in the same league as the Leopard 2 and M1A2. I am not sure how well the M1A2 or Leopard 2 can operate under water? A bit heavy as well aren't they? Quite a few M1's have sunk in Iraqi rivers so their underwater capabilities don't appear to be too good , in standard form anyway. On paper anyway, the Al Khalid is far superior than the Eastern European and Russian tanks.

[dreamwarrior73]

Al-Khalid is based on Chinese Type-90. Now the Chinese has come up with Type 98. This meant that Al-Khalid is less superior than the Type 98. How can you say that Al-Khalid is far superior than any Eastern design tanks? :gun

[Hussain]

Al-Khalid is based on Chinese Type-90. Now the Chinese has come up with Type 98. This meant that Al-Khalid is less superior than the Type 98. How can you say that Al-Khalid is far superior than any Eastern design tanks? :gun

Due to the tanks ability to auto track targets. Apparently only the French tanks have this capability. The computer hardware/software was designed apparently by a Pakistani scientist working for NASA. So it goes down to the computers electronic technology. The type 98 is a very good tank, but the turret doesn't fit flush on to the tanks main body . This makes the tank less than water tight and also prone to severe damage if attacked in the exposed area.

Most cars are supposed to be watertight but long term exposure to the elements proves that some are more capable than others.

[SABRE]

Al-Khalid is based on Chinese Type-90. Now the Chinese has come up with Type 98. This meant that Al-Khalid is less superior than the Type 98. How can you say that Al-Khalid is far superior than any Eastern design tanks? :gun

The Al-Khalid is "based" on Chinese T-90II, but its not T-90II. T-90 was selected as its base & Pakistani engineers made a new tank out of it. Current versions of Al-Khalid are T-90 based but the upcoming ones are bit different.
The idea is to evantualy remove T-90II from it base. But there are still some elements from T-90II in it.

The idea to use T-90 as its base was to speed up the program otherwise Pakistan would have been still in R&D.

The program has been successful & some countries have shown interest including Saudi Arabia & UAE. Its mostly desert countries that have shown interest at this moment. There were reports of Malaysians being interested.

The best thing about Al-Khalid is that the allied & friendly nations can get transfer of technology from Pakistan. Saudis & UAE would most probably be pushing for ToT (if they approave it) but dont know about Malaysia. For Malaysia it all depends on how good their relations are with China, after all T-90II is till at its "base" at this moment & it might still take few more yrs to remove it completely from Al-Khalid.

[Hussain]

MBT 2000 a.k.a. Al-Khalid is the Main Battle Tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Battle_Tank) of the Pakistan Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Army). It is the result of joint venture between China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China), Pakistan (Heavy Industries Taxila) and Ukraine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine). Ukraine provided the 6TD 1200hp engine, which is a diesel engine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine) and designed for desert and hot climates allowing it to withstand extremes of temperatures. The tank itself is an very high upgrade of the Russian designed T902M. Pakistan plans to induct 600 of these by 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007). The tank has the capability of fighting at night as well as the ability to automatically track targets being the second tank of this type in the world (First being the French Leclerc tank). It is a smaller tank than its contemporaries with a crew of 3. It also has the state of the art automatic fire extinguishing and explosion suppression systems. More than USD 20 million have been spent in almost 10 years over MBT 2000. The enemy engagement system of the tank is one of the best in the world and possibly the best in Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia).

Source WK Pedia

[siresoul]

Chengdu FC-1/JF-17 Tweaked for Higher Performance
Aviation Week & Space Technology
11/28/2005, page 44

Robert Wall
Dubai

Iran seen as one of several JF-17 export candidates

Printed headline: Fighter Fix

Pakistan and China are making configuration changes to the Chengdu FC-1/JF-17 to boost the fighter's performance in what is likely only the first of a series of iterations the aircraft will undergo in coming years.

In the run-up to limited batch production slated for next year, flight testing of a modified prototype, called PT4, is underway. This aircraft incorporates design changes including a larger inlet to boost top speed to around Mach 1.8 from below Mach 1.6. The center and aft fuselage configuration has also been tweaked.

Program officials say the higher speed was of interest to Pakistan and is considered important to maintain the fighter's export attractiveness. Although the program is still in its early stage, project managers see interest from Iran, Egypt and Malaysia for the JF-17.
THE AIRCRAFT FEATURES a partial fly-by-wire system that controls yaw only. Pakistani officials say they opted for this configuration to keep the cost of the aircraft down. A full fly-by-wire system could have made the aircraft unaffordable, they suggest.

Pakistan and China are making changes to the basic FC-1 design to boost performance of the JF-17 derivative, including increasing the fighter's top speed.Credit: ROBERT WALL/AW&ST

Still ahead is testing of the avionics system, since most of the work to date has concentrated on structural matters. Two of five initial prototypes are used for fatigue and static testing, while the PT1 was the basic design of the Chinese FC-1. PT4 is the only aircraft so far to feature the design changes.

Pakistani officials expect the first contract for 16 aircraft (split equally with China) to be awarded next year, with deliveries as early as 2007. Those would undergo further flight-testing to refine the design and exercise subsystems, including avionics, that have not been explored.

A full-rate production contract would follow around 2009. Initially, Pakistan will provide 58% of the parts, but that is supposed to increase gradually to 100%. One of the big question marks over the project, though, is whether China will place its promised order, which is seen as vital to keeping the program moving forward.

The aircraft is powered by a Russian Klimov RD-93 engine with 11,340 lb. thrust. Maximum take-off weight is 28,066 lb., according to the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, an industrial partner in the program along with China's Chengdu.

The weapons package has not yet been settled. Despite speculation that China would push Pakistan to use its PL-12/SD-10 radar-guided weapon, Pakistani officials are keeping their options open, possibly as a bargaining chip to try to lower the cost of the SD-10. One senior Pakistani official said Pakistan would also be interested in technology transfer, with an eye on building its own missile capacity.

One outside candidate to meet its requirement for an infrared-guided dogfight missile for the aircraft could be Denel's A-Darter. The weapon has undergone some technology demonstration, but South Africa is still deciding whether to fund its full development--which would take about five years--or buy a weapon offshore, like the German IRIS-T. Current political sentiment is leaning toward funding A-Darter's development to maintain the country's industrial capacity, but a firm decision isn't expected until next year, and has slipped repeatedly.

South Africa has been discussing cooperation with Brazil, but with the latter's future fighter program in flux, the cooperative missile endeavor also has made little progress, a South African official says. Pretoria is looking for close cooperation with India, as well. However, controversy over an army weapons program could sideline Denel there, in which case the company might be drawn to Pakistan to expand A-Darter's sales potential, the official added.
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