Pakistans Modernization

[Ahsan1]

Modernization of Pakistans Armed Forces

P-3C Orion aircraft
http://img251.echo.cx/img251/8702/3006my.jpg


http://img251.echo.cx/img251/585/556744hp.jpg


Pakistan has already committed to acquiring six additional Lockheed C-130B transports and is expected to sign a contract with the US government within two months to acquire eight ex-US Navy Lockheed P-3C Orion maritime patrols.;)

[Ahsan1]

F22p Friggate



http://img251.echo.cx/img251/6941/f22pp0ch.jpg

http://img251.echo.cx/img251/9825/f226vv.jpg

http://img251.echo.cx/img251/5089/1f22pfrigate5ob.jpg

Pakistan And China Ink Deal For Four F-22P Frigates with transfer of technology:D

[Ahsan1]

Z-9 Helicopter

http://img251.echo.cx/img251/5976/z9c31md.jpg

Pakistan will be getting 4 of these helicopters for its friggates. Helicopters primary role is ANTI-SUBs.;) [You get the idea!]

[Ahsan1]

F-16 fighter jets

http://img251.echo.cx/img251/2424/f160996no.jpg

There are rumors that Pakistan will be getting 70 Block 50 aircrafts. ThankS to USA.

[Ahsan1]

Falcon® II radar
http://img251.echo.cx/img251/8/a2ey.jpg

This is one of the Radar that Pakistan already has gotten or will get it.:confused:

[Ahsan1]

AIM-9-M missiles

http://img251.echo.cx/img251/5896/aim9m8rn.jpg

Pakistan will be getting Aim9-M missiles with new F-16s.:rolleyes:

[Ahsan1]

Howitzer 155- MM

http://img251.echo.cx/img251/7743/howitzer7dn.jpg

[Ahsan1]

TPS-77 radars http://img251.echo.cx/img251/1885/04radarlo5yd.jpg

Pakistan will get about 5-7 of these radars, i am not sure about the numbers, i forgot! :mad:

[Ahsan1]

AMRAAM missiles

http://img251.echo.cx/img251/1711/amraam9ju.jpg

Pakistan will surely be getting these babes.;)

[XEROX]

Nice pictures dude


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[kilo_4que]

With all due respect sir, i dont understand what the reason is behind you not being comfortable with the members post. Its his views and if thats where his patriotism lies then i think you should respect that. Im asuing with your name your Indian and id personally respect your views equally if you invited other member to an indian forum. This is an international military affairs board where it invites anyone and everyone and with an invite to national military sites im sure people can benefit by enhancing their knowledge on other militaries around the world

I dont think an hostile environment should be erupted just because a personal vendetta occurs between you and someone else

they were my views, the rest is up to admin and mods to decide

[WebMaster]

Let that be the end of it.

Continue with intended subject of the thread!

[SABRE]

Anyways nice pics & thanks for posting them. Its not like we havent seen them or know about them but still thanks for refreshing our minds. POST more.

[Ahsan1]

Pakistans next aircraft after F-16s, choices are in order of recommendation from 1 to 4.


Rafale

http://img14.echo.cx/img14/2610/rafale20b01formationwide15ki.jpg


Gripen

http://img14.echo.cx/img14/2247/gripenlanding1jg.jpg

J-10

http://img14.echo.cx/img14/3461/j103ip.jpg

Mirage 2000-9

http://img14.echo.cx/img14/6660/mirage2020003md.jpg

(Note: This may be a Mirage 2000, but remember that they both have a same air frame)

[P.A.F]

mirage 2000-9 just to make sure:D

http://www.defesanet.com.br/noticia/mirage2000-9/mirage2000-9.jpg

[SABRE]

Why do J-10's wing look different.

Compare the pics;

http://img14.echo.cx/img14/3461/j103ip.jpg

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fighter/j10/j10-3.jpg

[srirangan]

The one on the far side is obviously not a J-10. And the image in photoshopped.

[SABRE]

Anyways the one flying with F-7 (MiG-21) looks much better.

[P.A.F]

Also getting these:)

http://www.grime.net/facets/images/tow2a-missile.gif

TOW-2A missiles

[Ahsan1]

Nice picture comrade.:)

[BilalK]

Possibly more Agosta-90Bs?
http://img105.echo.cx/img105/3299/agosta90b3fw.jpg[/url]
Saab-2000 Erieye AEW&C
http://img105.echo.cx/img105/8162/saab20007qv.jpg (http://img105.echo.cx/img105/3299/agosta90b3fw.jpg)
and/or E-2C Hawkeye 2000
http://img105.echo.cx/img105/842/imagevaw11514so.jpg
How could we forget JF-17? (atleast 150!)
http://img105.echo.cx/img105/5549/jf179kp.jpg[url="http://img105.echo.cx/img105/5549/jf179kp.jpg"] (http://img105.echo.cx/img105/842/imagevaw11514so.jpg)

[P.A.F]

you can add this to the list aswell.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/harpmd.jpg

The Harpoon Block II anti-ship missile.

[adsH]

Also getting these:)

http://www.grime.net/facets/images/tow2a-missile.gif

TOW-2A missiles
This is a Sick weapon it can penetrate all sort of armour is it Depleted Uranium tipped? it should Blast a hole in any Armour and then later Detonate. the benefit is that the ERD is useless when this is used. i'm sure its clever enough to avoid ERD Areas and attack through where a russian tank is most vulnerable. Once it penetrates the primary Armour it makes a mess of things. Oh rite this is something you use on a Top of the line Russian Armored Tanks.

[P.A.F]

oh can't forget these.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/ciws11.jpg

Phalanx Close-In Weapons System

[adsH]

i prefer the goal keeper instead of the Phalanx.

[pakistaniboy]

dont forget 300 sidewingers are also coming from US.

[P.A.F]

its sidewinders not sidewingers:D

[aaaditya]

which version of sidewinders are pakistan acquiring:confused: :coffee

[adsH]

which version of sidewinders are pakistan acquiring:confused: :coffee

according to all the reports they are pitching for the AIM-9 M-9 variants. i don't think X is feasible or justifiable from a cost prospective. they could ask for Local Production since this missile has a life associated to it and i doubt the missile would stay in production after USAF has swapped to X. i think PAF has a variant local production. Correct me if'm wrong.

[kashifshahzad]

according to all the reports they are pitching for the AIM-9 M-9 variants. i don't think X is feasible or justifiable from a cost prospective. they could ask for Local Production since this missile has a life associated to it and i doubt the missile would stay in production after USAF has swapped to X. i think PAF has a variant local production. Correct me if'm wrong.
I think the Aamrams are good with a long range before you fire a sidewinder you will be hit by a Aamram or the other AAM's

[Aussie Digger]

I think Pakistan would be mad not to seek the AIM-9X sidewinder version. The AIM-9M is mid 80's technology. It is not "off boresight" capable and is significantly inferior to the AA-11 Archer missile that PAF would likely be aiming to match. Yes AMRAAM's are a good BVR missile, but they'll be seeking the AIM-120C version no doubt, not the AIM-120A which is also 80's technology...

A fighter aircraft requires both BVR and WVR missiles in the A2A due to their overlapping capabilities. If you are playing "catch up" anyway (as the PAF seems to be) you should seek to actually advance rather than purchase a capability that will not bridge the capability gap that already exists... Most current operators of the AIM-9M (USAF and RAAF amongst others) are or already have upgraded as this missile is no longer capable when compared to it's equivalents.

But hey, that's just me talking...

[adsH]

Aussie i do get your point, but that was what i got off the media, i could be wrong but PAF ACM refered to it, it could be that he wasn't aware of the newer Missile (highly unlikely) but i would bet anything on that the 9X would be privileged tech for Pakistan at this point in time. I mean we RAF and RAAF are using the ASAARM.i know we have AIM-9's in service but there's going to be a phase out soon. I think). Are you sure M is 80's tech. just wanted to work on that, wasn't it the previously used variant.

it is possible the PAF ACM was not correctly quoted i mean if Raytheon spent hundreds of millions developing the 9X then it would want its original customers to upgrade.

[kashifshahzad]

Dont Forget this :
SD-10 Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile

http://www.sinodefence.com/missile/airlaunched/sd10_1.jpg

http://www.sinodefence.com/missile/airlaunched/sd10_2.jpg

[Skywalker]

These turkish made Stealth Vessels sre in Service by pakistani Naval Forces

MRTP-15
http://www.yonca-onuk.com/images_800/tekneler/mtp_15_d_03.jpg

MRTP-33

http://www.yonca-onuk.com/images_800/tekneler/mtp_33.jpg

[P.A.F]

These should be coming in the near future too. :)
http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/images/limage_c130j_jh_03.jpg

C-130 J transport aircraft.

[kashifshahzad]

Oh no more C-130's cant we get any B-52's yeah i know its a bomber but we dont have any real bomber :( What will hte PAF is going to do with that much C-130's

[mysterious]

Modern warfare is all about troop mobility kashifshahzad. If you can't move your troops around fast enough, the enemy will nail you in your hole! Thats as simple as I can put it.

The more mobile a force is, the more battle effective it becomes and can even fair against terrible odds owing to this factor of its composition. I'm sure if you read a little bit of history, you'll know why 'mobility' was a defining factor for Pakistani forces in the 1965 war and how they used it to their advantage vis a vis a larger but a relatively immobile force.

Pakistan Air Force is short on transport aircraft as per its operational needs and hence, this deal of C-130 Js!

[kashifshahzad]

Modern warfare is all about troop mobility kashifshahzad. If you can't move your troops around fast enough, the enemy will nail you in your hole! Thats as simple as I can put it.

The more mobile a force is, the more battle effective it becomes and can even fair against terrible odds owing to this factor of its composition. I'm sure if you read a little bit of history, you'll know why 'mobility' was a defining factor for Pakistani forces in the 1965 war and how they used it to their advantage vis a vis a larger but a relatively immobile force.

Pakistan Air Force is short on transport aircraft as per its operational needs and hence, this deal of C-130 Js!
Myst no one can deny the advantages of mobility in a war the faster your force is mobilised the faster you get the control of the enemy area and also re-enforce your militery during the battle field . But in my opinion PAF lacks a bomber which should have larger combat radius and can carry heavy payload carpet bombing is effective when the enemies are difficult to be engaged India also have bombers so why cant PAF go for a bomber from any source.I know PAF 's mobility is superior then the Indian mobility in the Air Oceans and also on Land I have also heard reports about the Siachin Glacier that the one who reaches the peak first no matter it is only one soldier it can kill all enemies comming from the other side so mobility of the troops does matter

[P.A.F]

well kashif. if your dreaming of PAF getting the B-52 bomber or anyother american bomber then stop dreaming now because where not going to get them. if PAF get some sort of bomber then the best they can do is something like Mirage 2000-?, F-15 etc which would be used for ground penetration.

[kashifshahzad]

well kashif. if your dreaming of PAF getting the B-52 bomber or anyother american bomber then stop dreaming now because where not going to get them. if PAF get some sort of bomber then the best they can do is something like Mirage 2000-?, F-15 etc which would be used for ground penetration.
As far as i know is that China has copied Russian bombers i dont know the exect name and types of bombers but China do have bombers they may not have long range combat radius as compared to the US bombers but they are good enough .PAF i think Pakistan in not getting defence equipent only from US there are other countries too like China and France the A-5 upgradation can help for a shorter period of time I think China has upgraded its Q-5(A-5) in this way the age of old planes can be increased

[P.A.F]

i personally think that PAF doesn't need big bombers like the ones you have mentioned. i think the mirage 2000 or f-15 is good enough. at the moment PAFs job is to protect our borders. we are a defensive airforce. i think it is only good to have moajor bombers in your airforce if you have enough aircraft to back it/them up.

[mysterious]

Good point PAF. Hope that strikes a chord kashifshahzad. No hard feelings, but you have to consider what PAF operational strategy is before expressing your wish list. Multi-role aircraft is what PAF is aiming for and that is exactly what it should be doing because bombers are just not going to be really compatible with PAF strategy vis a vis India.

[kashifshahzad]

i personally think that PAF doesn't need big bombers like the ones you have mentioned. i think the mirage 2000 or f-15 is good enough. at the moment PAFs job is to protect our borders. we are a defensive airforce. i think it is only good to have moajor bombers in your airforce if you have enough aircraft to back it/them up.
Dear mates where it is mentioned in our relegion or in the policies that we should only defend our boarders and and remain a defencive force and do not try to do a pre emptive strike. India did say in the past that it can do a pre emptive strike on Pakistan so man if India invades Pakistan then what are we gonna do just sit and see.
Mate India is a big country it has big resources and big economy as compared to Pakistan . India is making progress in all fields of defence same like a super power ok i explain step by step.
Air Force[U]
FIGHTERS
1.MiG-21FL FISHBED-D
2.MiG-21M/MF Fishbed J - Type 96
3.MiG-21bis Fishbed N - Type 95
4 MiG-21 Bison - Type 95
5 MiG-21U/UM/US Mongol - Type 66
6 MiG-21 Drawings
7 MiG-23MF/UM Flogger
8 MiG-23BN Flogger
9 MiG-25R/U Foxbat
10 MiG-27M Flogger
11 MiG-29B/S/UB Fulcrum
12 Su-30K/MK-1 Flanker
13 Su-30MKI Flanker
14 Dassault Mirage 2000H/TH
15 SEPECAT Jaguar IS/IB
16 SEPECAT Jaguar IM
17 HAL/ADA Tejas [Light Combat Aircraft]
18 Sea Harrier

TRAINERS
• HAL HJT-36
• HAL HJT-16 Kiran Mk.1/1A
• HAL HJT-16 Kiran Mk.II
• HAL HPT-32 Deepak

TRANSPORTS
• Illyushin Il-78 and Air to Air Refuelling
• IL-76MD Gajraj
• An-32 Sutlej
• Dornier Do-228-101
• HAL HS 748M Avro
• Boeing 737

HELICOPTERS
• HAL Dhruv
• Mil Mi-8
• Mil Mi-17
• Mil Mi-25/35
• Mil Mi-26
• HAL Cheetah
• HAL Chetak

Bombers
Canberra
TU-22M Backfire
TU-95 Bear (Tu-142)
In army they are aquiring latest tanks from other countries and in Navy they have an Air Craft Carrier and in space Tech they went in space too in Missile they have longer range .So dear what do you say sit calm and see.

They will strike us by saying pre emptive strike distroy our airports and ports I think you know how much ports does Pak have if our misslies are 10 min late then Indian missiles will do their job their bomber will come and bulldose our all strategic essits

[Ahsan1]

Your right Kashif. We need a bomber, but dont you think that F-16 Block 52 will do the job? And in the future there is the best and only good choice to tackle all these problems, and when I am going to say that name you probably wont resist to agree with me.....I am about to say...Rafale.!!

Isn't a fighter? No matter what you do, this baby will do all the things. This baby will detect all the Indian fighters before they will detect us. It has damn fat ass payload when its going to release the bombs you know what will happen. With 14 hard points it will carryout attacks deep inside enemys territory, imagine how many WVRs, BVRs, and Bombs it will carry, and do you know how many fighters are gonna go down when its gonna be flying? So the thing is we need it no matter how expensive it is, we have waited enough, PAF have waited enough we need a superclass fighter as we all know to counter Su-30, which I hate the most. It is a beast who is killing us badly. By buying Rafale we will get lot of weapons from the France.

About acquiring it, we should do something about the loan, pitch in money with Saudis and as we all know they will go for it. They have money they will make the price down a little bit.

So Imagine:

Rafales 40-60
F-16s 111
JF-17 150
Mirage ROSE upgrade 100
Good enough with superclass weaponry from all the parts of the world, everyone with data-linking, soon we will be getting AWACs to make our forces superb to reckon with. We will gain our qualitive edge, modern force, what else would you want?:coffee

[aaaditya]

the role of bombers have been taken over by cruise missiles so i doubt india will ever bother using bombers (bombers are too expensive,vulnerable,fuel consuming and maintenance intensive).the canberras are used for electronic warfare and training,tu95 bear and the tu22m and il38 may are to be used for maritime strike ,electronic warfare,surveillence ,they will be used as nuclear bombers only in an emergency,you might have noticed that indian navy only intends to lease 4 tu22 bombers indian airforce is not at all interested in them actually iaf is to retire its canberra squadron too.:coffee

[srirangan]

well kashif. if your dreaming of PAF getting the B-52 bomber or anyother american bomber then stop dreaming now because where not going to get them. if PAF get some sort of bomber then the best they can do is something like Mirage 2000-?, F-15 etc which would be used for ground penetration.
Mirages can't be used.

[kashifshahzad]

Your right Kashif. We need a bomber, but dont you think that F-16 Block 52 will do the job? And in the future there is the best and only good choice to tackle all these problems, and when I am going to say that name you probably wont resist to agree with me.....I am about to say...Rafale.!!

Dear mate what do you think about a strategic bomber acumpunied by e.g F-16's or Mirages on the back this will make a good combination.Dear if you are not getting the best then take the second best the radar on the second place after AESA dosent matter what kind of AC it is may be Rafale it do look upgradation of F-16 to me other may not agree.

Isn't a fighter? No matter what you do, this baby will do all the things. This baby will detect all the Indian fighters before they will detect us. It has damn fat ass payload when its going to release the bombs you know what will happen. With 14 hard points it will carryout attacks deep inside enemys territory, imagine how many WVRs, BVRs, and Bombs it will carry, and do you know how many fighters are gonna go down when its gonna be flying? So the thing is we need it no matter how expensive it is, we have waited enough, PAF have waited enough we need a superclass fighter as we all know to counter Su-30, which I hate the most. It is a beast who is killing us badly. By buying Rafale we will get lot of weapons from the France.
If rafale have this kind of capebilities then this is the right thing to go for it must consider others too the plane a bit expensive having no sanctions can do all the job having good avionics on it easy handling extreme manuvrability and can carry all type of payloads.


About acquiring it, we should do something about the loan, pitch in money with Saudis and as we all know they will go for it. They have money they will make the price down a little bit.

So Imagine:

Rafales 40-60
F-16s 111
JF-17 150
Mirage ROSE upgrade 100
Good enough with superclass weaponry from all the parts of the world, everyone with data-linking, soon we will be getting AWACs to make our forces superb to reckon with. We will gain our qualitive edge, modern force, what else would you want?

I think this will suite the best

F-16's the number you mentioned
JF-17 thunders as interpreters (This plane will surely in our PAF after some years)
Mirages upgraded versions
F-7's and A-5's for back ups for some years the retirement to these planes will create a big gap to fill in.

And the question of other Combat Multirole plane remains unanswered may be PAF would not be willing to buy other planes after having block 52 F-16's till 2010 or may want some other plane that surpas the F-16 or it should be at least equal to the F-16's .As far as i know is this the Rafale has lesses combat radius (range)as compared to the F-16's but this backdraw can be covered by the other factors like payload avionics etc .So mate hope for the best

[kashifshahzad]

Mirages can't be used.
Mate explain plz how Mirages cant be used as bombers I think they dont have that much range and dont have that much payload capability isant it if there is any thing else then tell me

[adsH]

Get some Scalps and make use of them. I doubt Any of the two nation can Afford a fleet of B-52 (unless you'd rather starve the armed Forces). Rather why would you need them. the USAF uses the B-52 to Project force globally unless you want to do the same i really don't see any sense in Packing B-52 in your Enemies Airspace. a terrain Following Cruise Missile would do just as much damage at a fraction of the cost.

[adsH]

Mate explain plz how Mirages cant be used as bombers I think they dont have that much range and dont have that much payload capability isant it if there is any thing else then tell me

YOu could put scalps on them. and if PAF is any good at its Design they could develop conformal tanks for the Mirages (As they did for the F-7or F-6 at some point (if i recall right)). that would free up some pylons and you could add an equivlant ammount of Scalps.

[mysterious]

I dont know why these kids are obsessed with bombers! First priority of the PAF is to ensure air superiority in its own skies in a defensive mode so that they can bleed the aggressor to death until he loses all taste for battle. No use for bombers for a long long time as I see it. Cruise missiles could do the same job much more effectively and economically.

[kashifshahzad]

I dont know why these kids are obsessed with bombers! First priority of the PAF is to ensure air superiority in its own skies in a defensive mode so that they can bleed the aggressor to death until he loses all taste for battle. No use for bombers for a long long time as I see it. Cruise missiles could do the same job much more effectively and economically.
Myst do we have cruise missiles and i am not saying that we sould have a fleet of B-52's have a bomber having maximum 5000km range this is enough they may be 1-5 in number but they will do the job in critical circumstances

[Ahsan1]

Guys come to the reality, we are gonna buy B-52s? :D

Lets get real..Rafale is the only choice to complete all defence capabilites..

Ahsan
Pak Revolution

[P.A.F]

well i think PAF should be like this.
f-16-----------------------> 100
JF-17----------------------> 150
mirage rose, f-7----------------> as many as there are airworthy.
Rafale, mirage 2000? or gripen------> 50-60
all these aircraft linked to a few AWACs
and finally fill pakistan with around 500+ long range SAMs.

if this is to happen then theres no messing:coffee
The army n navy can do the rest because i assure u that no airforce would dare enter pakistan. infact put a SAM on every corner of the streets:D (joking)

[kashifshahzad]

Guys come to the reality, we are gonna buy B-52s? :D

Lets get real..Rafale is the only choice to complete all defence capabilites..

Ahsan
Pak Revolution

I an not saying that we are gonna buy B-52's other day you will say that PAF is gonna buy the B-2 spirits so let me clear at this stage that PAF should have a bomber that could do the carpet bombing after the clearance of skies .Trying for a bomber is not a bad thing i dont know that prices of the bombers i think one will cost about the price of two F-16's guess only.

well i think PAF should be like this.
f-16-----------------------> 100
JF-17----------------------> 150
mirage rose, f-7----------------> as many as there are airworthy.
Rafale, mirage 2000? or gripen------> 50-60
all these aircraft linked to a few AWACs
and finally fill pakistan with around 500+ long range SAMs.

if this is to happen then theres no messing
The army n navy can do the rest because i assure u that no airforce would dare enter pakistan. infact put a SAM on every corner of the streets (joking)

100+ --------- F-16's good
150 --------- JF-17's good
Mirages rose , F-7 , F-7 PG's , A-5's ----------- must survive till 2010-2015
10 AC >>>>>>>> 1 AWACS when on mission
500+ SAM's are too small in number they must be 5000+ there must be 2-3 layers of shoulder launched SAM's on the boarder this will help in the reduction of number of planes of the enemy

[P.A.F]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahsan1
Guys come to the reality, we are gonna buy B-52s? :D

Lets get real..Rafale is the only choice to complete all defence capabilites..

Ahsan
Pak Revolution



I an not saying that we are gonna buy B-52's other day you will say that PAF is gonna buy the B-2 spirits so let me clear at this stage that PAF should have a bomber that could do the carpet bombing after the clearance of skies .Trying for a bomber is not a bad thing i dont know that prices of the bombers i think one will cost about the price of two F-16's guess only.



Quote:
Originally Posted by P.A.F
well i think PAF should be like this.
f-16-----------------------> 100
JF-17----------------------> 150
mirage rose, f-7----------------> as many as there are airworthy.
Rafale, mirage 2000? or gripen------> 50-60
all these aircraft linked to a few AWACs
and finally fill pakistan with around 500+ long range SAMs.

if this is to happen then theres no messing
The army n navy can do the rest because i assure u that no airforce would dare enter pakistan. infact put a SAM on every corner of the streets (joking)



100+ --------- F-16's good
150 --------- JF-17's good
Mirages rose , F-7 , F-7 PG's , A-5's ----------- must survive till 2010-2015
10 AC >>>>>>>> 1 AWACS when on mission
500+ SAM's are too small in number they must be 5000+ there must be 2-3 layers of shoulder launched SAM's on the boarder this will help in the reduction of number of planes of the enemy




you have to keep in mind that pakistan already has many SAMs. we however need quality long range SAMs. by the way do you have any idea of how much 5000+ SAMs would cost us. 500 long range SAMs would do perfectly to fit a already very tight budget.

[ajay_ijn]

you have to keep in mind that pakistan already has many SAMs. we however need quality long range SAMs. by the way do you have any idea of how much 5000+ SAMs would cost us. 500 long range SAMs would do perfectly to fit a already very tight budget.
PAF forget about 5000 SAMs but do u know the cost of 500 Long Range SAMs.
I think by Long Range SAMs u mean greater than 100km,
If u take the cost of S-300(Generally people think russian weapons are cheaper.),A Single S-300 System which consists of 12 Launchers costs 166 Million Dollars.
For 500 Launchers it costs somewhere about 7 Billion Dollars.
Is it possible for Pakistan to afford 7 Billion Dollars for just Air Defence.

[kashifshahzad]

PAF forget about 5000 SAMs but do u know the cost of 500 Long Range SAMs.
I think by Long Range SAMs u mean greater than 100km,
If u take the cost of S-300(Generally people think russian weapons are cheaper.),A Single S-300 System which consists of 12 Launchers costs 166 Million Dollars.
For 500 Launchers it costs somewhere about 7 Billion Dollars.
Is it possible for Pakistan to afford 7 Billion Dollars for just Air Defence.

you have to keep in mind that pakistan already has many SAMs. we however need quality long range SAMs. by the way do you have any idea of how much 5000+ SAMs would cost us. 500 long range SAMs would do perfectly to fit a already very tight budget.

SAM's can do half of the work which the fighter aircrafts do i.e overcoming the thread of aircrafts i think some types of SAM's are locally produced in WAH but we also have cortale and SA-2 for air defence WAH has to produce some long range SAM's that will help in the over all defence of the forces

Pakistani, Surface To Air Missile (SAM)

SA-2 Surface To Air Missile

Class: Medium Range, Surface to Air Missile System
Origin: China Length: 10.7 meters
Diameter: 70.0 cm
Tail Span: 54.0 cm
Weight: 2300.0 Kg
Warhead: 130 Kg High Explosive
Propulsion: Solid Propellant Booser with Liquid Propellant Sustainer
Guidance: Radio Command
Max Speed: 3.5 Mach
Max Range: 60 KM
Ceiling: 85,000 feet

Cortale Surface To Air Missile

Mobile, Automatic, All Weather Surface to Air Missile System
Origin: France
Length: 2.94 Meters
Diameter: 16.0 Cm
Weight: 80.0 Kg
Warhead: 15 Kg High Explosive
Propulsion: Single Stage Solid Propellant
Guidance: Command to Line of Sight
Max Speed: 2.3 Mach
Max Range: 11 KM
Reload Time: 2 min Intercept Range: 10.000m max or 500m min

Anza Mk I, II, III

Class: Manpad, Short range Anti Aircraft Missile
Origil: KRL, Pakistan Length: 1.5 meters
Diameter: 07.2 cm
Weight: 15.0 Kg
Warhead: 0.37 Kg Shaped Charge
Propulsion: Solid Propellant
Guidance: I R Homing


Mistral

In addition to these missiles PAF & Air Defence Command also use French made Mistral missiles with following details avalible

Max Speed: 3.5 Mach
Max Range: 6.0 KM
Warhead: 130 Kg High Explosive

[aaaditya]

of the missiles you mentioned above the sa-2 and crotale are so outdated that any modern combat aircraft in the region can escape them using ecm and eccm without any problems,the other two missile that is anza and mistral ar i beleive short range low altitude missiles they offer absolutely no protection against ballistic missiles,cruise missiles or high flying jets which are also equipped with decoys ,after the destruction of a mi17 and mig27 by pakistani anza(that time these two did not have self protection systems) all combat aircrafts and helicopters have been fitted with self protection systems and missile warning systems,there were reports that after the shootdown of the pn maritime patrol aircraft a couple of helicopters (mi17's) carrying media personnel were fired at by several surface to air missiles(reportedly shoulder fired) but they still managed to escape without any damage.what pakistan needs is quality medium and long range missiles and mobile short ranged gun cum missile systems.:coffee

[kashifshahzad]

of the missiles you mentioned above the sa-2 and crotale are so outdated that any modern combat aircraft in the region can escape them using ecm and eccm without any problems,the other two missile that is anza and mistral ar i beleive short range low altitude missiles they offer absolutely no protection against ballistic missiles,cruise missiles or high flying jets which are also equipped with decoys ,after the destruction of a mi17 and mig27 by pakistani anza(that time these two did not have self protection systems) all combat aircrafts and helicopters have been fitted with self protection systems and missile warning systems,there were reports that after the shootdown of the pn maritime patrol aircraft a couple of helicopters (mi17's) carrying media personnel were fired at by several surface to air missiles(reportedly shoulder fired) but they still managed to escape without any damage.what pakistan needs is quality medium and long range missiles and mobile short ranged gun cum missile systems.:coffee
Yeah mate i know that SA-2 is out dated and they were given by China to us and out PAF airdefence is maintaining this for a long period of time i have met to an aromrour who is in airforce and he is a specialist of SA-2 in kahuta (near rawalpindi) he says this misslie is fired on a brunch of planes when 4-5 or more AC's want to attack.He says that they have to maintain this until the new and long range SAM's and short range SAM's arrive . I dont know much about the mistral i only know they are from french origin . Aaaditya you say that the planes and helicopters can run from the Anza suppose one helicopter comes in our area 10 Anza SAM's are fired towards it them what the pilot is gonna do

Pakistan is going to buy some new SAM systems which will be long range from China they will be specially for the Gwadar deep sea port and it will be fitted on the other locations too

Possible Missile Defenses Pakistani sources interviewed before the IDEAS show, as well as some recent published information, indicates that Pakistan’s leadership is very interested in obtaining a limited missile defense capability, especially to match any prospective Indian missile defenses that could be obtained from Israel or the U.S. This impression was confirmed by sources interviewed at the IDEAS show, while there was general reluctance to discuss the details of any future missile defense system. Published sources indicate that Pakistan is considering the purchase of a new active-guided version of the Chinese FT-2000 surface-to-air missile (SAM). In 1998 Chinese sources disclosed to the author that this SAM, originally designed with a passive seeker intended to attack electronic warfare aircraft, would eventually feature an active-guidance system that would have an anti-tactical ballistic missile (ATBM) capability. In 2003 the FT-2000A was disclosed in a Malaysian defense journal, complete with a new active phased-array radar for long-range missile guidance. The FT-2000 program is believed to stem from the HQ-9 program, which in turn has been described to the author as having benefited from Russian S-300 and U.S. Patriot PAC-2 SAM technology. In an ATBM mode, the FT-2000A might only be useful against short-range Indian missiles like the Prithvi or Dhanush, not against longer-range and thus faster Agni missiles.

FT-2000 SAM: Pakistan is showing great interest in its own ATBM, and a missile-intercept capable version of the Chinese FT-2000A appears to be the most likely choice.

[aaaditya]

the helicopter can simply use up all of it's chaff and flare dispencers(of course 10 would be a bit of too much).