Chinese warplanes to be inducted soon

[mysterious]

Chinese warplanes to be inducted soon

KARACHI: The Pakistan Navy has embarked on modernisation and indigenisation to increase self-reliance in defence.

Addressing the passing out parade of the new entry-level sailors on Friday, Rear Admiral Saleem Khalid, also Flag Officer Sea Training, said that the construction of Agosta 90 B submarines, mine-hunters and missile boats were all indicative of the Navy’s resolve to boost its defence capabilities.

He said that to have an edge over the enemy, the Navy must equip itself with the latest technology. Therefore, he added, efforts were made to keep pace with the latest technological advances.

Admiral Saleem said, “We are a peace-loving nation but at the same time we have to ensure minimum deterrence so that no one can impose war on us.”

He maintained that the Chinese destroyers and warplanes were expected to be included to the Navy’s fleet soon. APP

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_28-8-2004_pg7_30

Hmmm, I wonder what he meant by 'warplanes' to be inducted in the Navy and which AC was he referring to!! Jf-17 has a long way to go at least for now before its naval version is introduced so I'm wondering if Pakistan is looking to acquire J-7s (or whatever the name of Chinese naval planes is). The question is, if Pakistan goes ahead with this naval airpower acquisition decision, is it going to base this force on an AC Carrier or some base nearer to subcontinent's waters. From my point of view, an AC Carrier would be an impractical move for the PN as it's really not needed and such funds could be directed towards acquiring more surface vessels.

[gf0012-aust]

Chinese warplanes to be inducted soon
Hmmm, I wonder what he meant by 'warplanes' to be inducted in the Navy and which AC was he referring to!! Jf-17 has a long way to go at least for now before its naval version is introduced so I'm wondering if Pakistan is looking to acquire J-7s (or whatever the name of Chinese naval planes is). The question is, if Pakistan goes ahead with this naval airpower acquisition decision, is it going to base this force on an AC Carrier or some base nearer to subcontinent's waters. From my point of view, an AC Carrier would be an impractical move for the PN as it's really not needed and such funds could be directed towards acquiring more surface vessels.

I doubt that it will be fixed wing tier 1 combat. Thats a duplication of effort that the Pakistani Defence Force can't afford to have in place. It's more likely to be ASW support, rotors etc.... Maritime strike is one of Pakistans weaknesses.

[mysterious]

That's exactly what got me thinking! It'll be uneconomical for PN to have a fixed naval-AC wing as the current need of the PN is 'more' surface vessels and good ones; not maritime strike capability.

[P.A.F]

but which warplanes?

[mysterious]

Thats the thing! They're probably J-7s or whichever ones China is using for naval role 'cuz Jf-17 has a bit of a while to go before its naval version is rolled off the production line.

[umair]

Probably JH-7A's.If you search in the archives of the PAF aircraft choice thread you'll find a post in which I had mentioned that the early version JH-7 was offered to both PAF and PNA but was not followed up on due to it's engines otherwise it was perfect for our needs(case in point current J-10 wait for WS-10).
As far as ASW platforms are concerned the Orions have already been requested(6 I guess). The weakness gary lies in the long range ASV dept.The current Mirage VPAs and the future F-17 don't have the radii for long range missions without refeuling, a facility which we don't have right now.The JH-7A well an analogy(sort off) can be drawn with the Strike Eagle as an all weather long range strike fighter.
BTW just for info the current Mirage VPAs were bought out of the navy's budget but are manned by the PAF.I excpect the same arrangement here if the deal goes through.

[gf0012-aust]

The weakness gary lies in the long range ASV dept.The current Mirage VPAs and the future F-17 don't have the radii for long range missions without refeuling, a facility which we don't have right now.

Which gets back to the issue that Aussie Digger and I were trying to point out ages ago that Pakistan needs long range augmentation by the purchase of AAR.

AAR doesn't only assist in CAP or tier 1's running race tracks. It's needed for depth provisioning for LR Maritime strike and support assets.

[umair]

I agreed on that one with you mate! Remember :?

[gf0012-aust]

I agreed on that one with you mate! Remember :?

my apols, bad sentence construction. ;) I do remember you agreeing.

[adsH]

i see PAF requires AAR capability but, that would have to be long-term solution to a Problem. what is essential right now is to get the Current fleet updated by incorporating Conformal fuel tanks, the current F-16 if they get MLU could have Conformals fitted on them, about JF-17 receiving them well its possible but unlikely in the short term since the Ac are still undergoing tweaking.

i would imagine adding conformal Feul tanks (on JF-17) would involve significant alteration to not only the structure of the Ac but also the Fuel mangement system

[corsair7772]

now das funny. The Pn gets to have its own aircraft and it doesnt bother to inform the PAF about it. This reminds of the general sundarji syndrome ( who incase u dont know was the army commander of operation brass tracks in 1987) of india. In his case he informed the press about india having its own first AAD ( air assault division, a division comprised and operating entirely by helicopters) ad had the IAF wettin its diapers cuz u dont suddenly just get an AAD which comprises somewhere arnd 2000 helis. Turns out his AAD was simply an infantry division. Could the PN be doing the same? :P

[umair]

I agreed on that one with you mate! Remember :?

my apols, bad sentence construction. ;) I do remember you agreeing.

No need gf!

[umair]

Read my first post in this thread carefully corsair! :roll

[yasin_khan]

JH-7A will be a good choice for PN.

[P.A.F]

yes yasin. i can see it working very well alongside the mirages ;)

[berry580]

Its probably talking about China's JH-7 fighter bomber, or maybe even JH-7A. Either one can launch the C-802K anti-ship missile to a range of over 120km (its ground launched version is 120km, and air-launch varient tends to let it have greater range).

http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/groundattack/jh7.asp

[corsair7772]

I dont think the JH-7s going to be inducted any sooner than the f-22 Raptor. Pakistans armed forces have a tight infrastructure cuz o which they have to standardize equipment. And if the PAF's not buyin it, then the Pns not gettin it. To kinda ruffly summarize it the PAF can have 4 types only. And thtll be the JF-17, J-10, F-7 and maybe something else but definitley not the JH-7. Its part of the multirole requirement.

[gf0012-aust]

I dont think the JH-7s going to be inducted any sooner than the f-22 Raptor.

You might have to change your assessment. There is already one complete flying squadron of F-22's and another formed up.

Thats 48 aircraft in a fly away and warfighting condition.

People still think the F-22 is a paper plane when it's already at a 2 squadron service level.

[berry580]

You mean its trial & evaluation stage is finished already?!
Well atleast I haven't heard it being operational officially.

[gf0012-aust]

You mean its trial & evaluation stage is finished already?!
Well atleast I haven't heard it being operational officially.

There has been one full squadron active for almost 8 months. The second squadron I think is numbered up but not activated formally.

[corsair7772]

I dont think the JH-7s going to be inducted any sooner than the f-22 Raptor.

You might have to change your assessment. There is already one complete flying squadron of F-22's and another formed up.

Thats 48 aircraft in a fly away and warfighting condition.

People still think the F-22 is a paper plane when it's already at a 2 squadron service level.

awwwww wat the hell man. Read my posts carefully before answering, i said the JH-7 wont be inducted anytime soon and inducting it is like inducting the F-22 in the PAF. what in blazes does this have to do with the F-22s operational status?

[gf0012-aust]

I dont think the JH-7s going to be inducted any sooner than the f-22 Raptor.

You might have to change your assessment. There is already one complete flying squadron of F-22's and another formed up.

Thats 48 aircraft in a fly away and warfighting condition.

People still think the F-22 is a paper plane when it's already at a 2 squadron service level.

awwwww wat the hell man. Read my posts carefully before answering, i said the JH-7 wont be inducted anytime soon and inducting it is like inducting the F-22 in the PAF. what in blazes does this have to do with the F-22s operational status?

Corsair, I actually majored in English. Look at the way you constructed your sentence. Then look at my response. Your statement was predicated on a redundancy.

[mysterious]

Chillax fellas! This topic aint about Raptors. So what would it be; a hasty decision to go for Chinese JH-7s around 2006 (end of yr) or the much patient one to induct Jf-17's naval version around 2008/9? :smokingc: