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fieldmarshal
July 28th, 2004, 10:08 AM
Kevlar Helmet & body armour developed by Pakistan
http://www.awc.com.pk/Bullet_Proof_Jacket.htm
Description
The Advanced Composites Research Center at Air Weapons Complex has carried out extensive research on bullet-proof materials. Using indigenous technology, AWC has developed lightweight composite Bullet-proof Jackets and Helmets that provide exceptional battlefield protection. At the same time, the unique design features facilitate body and head movement while aiming, crawling and running.
The Bullet-proof Jackets and Helmets developed by AWC provide protection against ammunition according to NIG Standard 0101.03.
Bullet-Proof Helmet (Level III A)
Specific layers of biaxial woven kevlar fabric have been integrated in polymeric resin. The fabric/resin has been cured in a specific mould under high temperature and pressure for specific time duration. After de-molding, trimming and painting, webbing is attached to the Helmet.
Bullet-Proof Jacket (Level III A & Level III)
Specific layers of biaxial woven kevlar fabric have been stitched in diamond pattern. The trauma pack is an integral part of the ballistic insert. The assembly is stitched in water/moisture-resistant black plastic to maintain its ballistic properties. This effectively stops the 9mm bullet. The Jacket can stop the 7.62mm bullet after insertion of front and back laminated ceramic plate. The outer cover is made of washable 100% cotton camouflage twill.
advantages of kevlar fabric
High tensile strength/modules
High toughness
Light weight
Excellent retention of strength at elevated temperatures
High thermal stability
Self extinguishing
Cut resistant
Good chemical resistance
test firing
Bullet-Proof Helmet
The Helmet was fired at from a distance of 5m by 9mm caliber sub-machine gun ammunition at ballistic test facilities of Air Weapons Complex and Inspectorate of Armaments, Rawalpindi, in accordance with NIJ standard 0101.01. The Helmet stopped the bullet effectively. The average trauma effect was found to be within limits. The Helmet was also tested under wet conditions. The wet tests did not deteriorate the results.
Bullet-Proof Jacket
The Jacket was fired at from a distance of 5m by 9mm and 7.62mm caliber ammunition at ballistic test facilities of Air Weapons Complex and Inspectorate of Armaments, Rawalpindi, in accordance with NIJ standard 0101.01. The Jacket stopped both types of bullets effectively with nominal trauma effect.
salient features
Bullet-Proof Helmet
Protection Level III A (against 9mm ammunition)
Material Kevlar
Resin Material Polymeric
Color Optional
Webbing Cotton
Ballistic Visor Optional
Weight 1.4 Kg
Bullet-Proof Jacket
Protection Level
Without Ceramic plate III A (against 9mm ammunition)
With Ceramic plate III(against7.62mm ammunition)
Material Kevlar
Trauma Pack Polymeric
Ballistic Insert Laminated Ceramic
Outer Cover Camouflage Khaki Twill
Collars Integrated
Pelvic Flaps Optional
Weight 2.8 Kg
XEROX
July 28th, 2004, 10:35 AM
To kit a soilder out with kevlar helmets and armour, do you know how much it wold cost??
Well put it this way Kevlar is 4x more expensive then titanium!!
SABRE
July 28th, 2004, 11:53 AM
I did herd about this some time ago. It has cost a great deal but in the end researchers are happy to get possitive results. So not much has gonne in vain.
XEROX
July 28th, 2004, 12:05 PM
It would cost a thousands $$$ to combat 1 soilder, guess how much it would cost to equip the whole force?? :cop
However the process of abstracting kevlar through various reactions would cost millions
srirangan
July 28th, 2004, 12:29 PM
A company has made these armours. This doesn't mean that Pak army is gonna give it to its soldiers, so no need to worry about the cost PJ-10 BrahMos.
XEROX
July 28th, 2004, 12:44 PM
Yes though its usualy light kevlar sheeting, however heavier kevlar is much more expensive and much more stronger!!
worldpower
July 28th, 2004, 07:23 PM
Theres a reason why Pakistan laid off 50,000 people from the army. Money is not going to be a problem. Approximately 11 billion Rupees are going to be saved due to the restructuring.
fieldmarshal
July 28th, 2004, 09:32 PM
kevlar kit has been developed in house so, it will be alot cheaper than the us variant. Now awc is a govt. org so every development there is a reason, same is the case with the above. SO soon rather than later personal of Pakistan armed forces aswell as law inforces n paramilatary ppl will be kitted with the above, u can bet ur bottom dollar on it. :smokingc:
srirangan
July 29th, 2004, 12:37 AM
>> u can bet ur bottom dollar on it.
I would never bet any dollar leave alone my last one on any event related to Pakistan. That country is so damn unpredictable, just like their cricket team. :P
pezfez
July 29th, 2004, 03:53 AM
funny sri :) about the cricket team
on topic, true, equipping the massive army is gonna cost millions with the kevlar helmets and vests, but you have to remember that most of the 500k are not all combat troops. i think the first kevlars r gonna go to the ones on the western front, as tensions have risen there and gone down in the east with india. this all could take more than 15 years...
and why the hell would an AIR weapons company make infantry equipment, it should've been POF
srirangan
July 29th, 2004, 04:01 AM
Let's wait till the PA atleast places an order. Have these armours been combat tested?
mysterious
July 29th, 2004, 05:16 AM
Well for now, hitting the helmet and jackets with bullets fired from live weapons in accordance to world standards is good enough! I'd say, send a good amount to our brave soldiers fighting the Al-Qaeda and Taliban remnants in the South Waziristan area to flush those insurgents out more easily at a lower human cost than would otherwise be the case. :smokingc:
fieldmarshal
July 29th, 2004, 05:23 AM
guys come on dont sound like a bounch of retards, no where in the world does a new piece of equipment intorduced over night, its done over time n in phases. like firstly it will be the special forces, than infentry units who are in the front line n than the rest.
if PAk army is 5k strong than dat does not mean that each n every 1 is in the trences, so be sensible
mysterious
July 29th, 2004, 05:27 AM
FieldMarshal my friend, relax! You, of all the people, should know how many kids we have running around on this forum. ;)
dabrownguy
July 29th, 2004, 04:02 PM
I got an idea cut another 200 000 from the army and give all your soldiers kevlar armor making them more effective! Quality is more important than size and besides terrorism seems to be Pakistans problem not India so Pak does need more combat effective troops.
fieldmarshal
July 29th, 2004, 09:04 PM
dont u worry browny, we will give each n every 1 of our 500000 strong army the kevlar kit. :smokingc:
Aussie Digger
July 29th, 2004, 09:48 PM
Each and everyone of the 500000 strong army won't require the "kevlar kit". You're arms corps units obviously will require it as will supporting elements such as Engineers, aviation (pilots, navigators etc) and other troops who deploy in the field, military police etc, special forces (who probably won't wear it anyway...) and such. These elements "might" make up 50% of your force. The rest won't go in harms way and therefore won't require it...
pezfez
July 29th, 2004, 11:26 PM
like i said, not everyone is a combat troop
btw, why wouldn't the special forces need vests and helmets? too much weight?
gf0012-aust
July 30th, 2004, 12:47 AM
btw, why wouldn't the special forces need vests and helmets? too much weight?
Depends on the tasking. If you look at pictures of Australian SAS in Afghanistan they rarely wear helmets, mainly shemaghs. They still wear vests though in most instances where it's "hot".
OTOH, When they were in Somalia, they invariably always had helmets on.
mysterious
July 30th, 2004, 01:59 AM
So I think this Kevlar helmet and jacket is of Level 2? It cant be more than that 'cuz according to my sources, the US army uses Level 2 with 'maybe' the exception of the Delta Force and other special/elite units who might be using the Level 3 Kevlar stuff. Level 4 is out of the question for a regular infantry trooper! :cop
fieldmarshal
July 30th, 2004, 11:00 PM
mysterious if u read the orignal post it says that both the helmet n the vest are level 3 n it has already been thorughly field tested n all is set to go in a major way.
aussie digger i agree with u totally that that the whole army wont be needin the kit n have already posted a reply to that effect , i was just clearin mr browns daubts ;)
Aussie Digger
July 31st, 2004, 12:11 AM
Special forces because of the nature of their duties (and because of the quality of the soldier) are often given the freedom to choose the kit that they will wear (within certain parameters) on most missions. It's been my experience, that Specwarries will rarely ever wear body armour and helmets unless operating in an overt "Green" role as the Australian SASR did in Somalia (as correctly pointed out by GF) or when engaged in CT tasks due to the nature of close quarter combat.
SF rarely wear vests etc in a covert role, as it's rather bulky and restricts your movements to a large degree. Not being detected (and hence being fired at) in the first place is a far better way of avoiding injury than even the best body armour, hence the SF general reluctance to wearing it. Plus it normally weighs a ton and they've got enough to carry already...
mysterious
July 31st, 2004, 01:12 AM
Thats what's bothering me! How the hell is a Pakistani trooper going to bear the burden of a Level 3 Kevlar in both his Helmet and the Jacket? Level 3 and Level 4 add quite a load to the already over-burdened soldier. And one more thing, I've read a lot about Kevlar helmets and talked to some soldiers and found out that they are mostly good at deflecting a bullet if it hits the helmet in an angle but if the bullet hits up-front, 80% of the time it will go through and blow your brains out! :help
srirangan
July 31st, 2004, 01:40 AM
How the hell is a Pakistani trooper going to bear the burden of a Level 3 Kevlar in both his Helmet and the Jacket? Level 3 and Level 4 add quite a load to the already over-burdened soldier.
Well the PA hasn't even showed interest in bying these right now, I think you're jumping the gun/
adsH
July 31st, 2004, 01:45 AM
i Was in Karachi i few days back on a break to see all the Extended family and i must say the “Rangers” Fighting Forces seemed equipped with new full body Armour similar to the American Forces. they were equipped very lavishly they didn't seem like a teer two Fighting force of a Third world country. There uniforms their helmets were all new, infact every thing was new they had proper new transport vehicles i guess communication equipment must be new too. But they did look like a modern front line fighting force. Every one should note here that i usually associate teer one fighting forces to Active Army personnel.
mysterious
July 31st, 2004, 01:48 AM
Firms make products which they know (through their market research) are going to sell!! No body wants to waste time on making stuff that no one will buy. This firm probably knows that PA is or might be interested in Level 3 Kevlar stuff and so with research and hard work; it came up with the product.
srirangan
July 31st, 2004, 01:53 AM
Just because the company has done market research, doesn't warrant your worryin about the access weight. You're just rushing into conclusions.
gf0012-aust
July 31st, 2004, 01:54 AM
Can someone please post a pic of this kit? All I'm getting are red crosses.
mysterious
July 31st, 2004, 01:54 AM
OK good for ya! Now leave ma arse alone. I dont want to have anything to do with you.
srirangan
July 31st, 2004, 01:59 AM
gf,
this pdf catalog has some pics: http://www.awc.com.pk/BPHelmetJACKET.pdf
myst,
whatever.
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why does p d f get changed into pdf
gf0012-aust
July 31st, 2004, 02:04 AM
gf,
this $$$$$$$ catalog has some pics: http://www.awc.com.pk/BPHelmetJACKET.$$$$$$$
myst,
whatever.
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edit:
why does p d f get changed into $$$$$$$
Not sure, might have to ask Web for the answer on how he set the "profanity" filter.
srirangan
July 31st, 2004, 02:08 AM
P.D.F. could stand for P-akistan Defence Foru-m (sheesh even this wihtout the dashes gets filtered, web has too much free time), a competitor for this website, maybe that's why he set the filter.. :P
Pathfinder-X
July 31st, 2004, 02:24 AM
Actually vest only needs to be strong enough to resist fragments from shells and grenades. A reletively small portion of battlefield wounds are cause by bullets while the majority is cause the fragments and debris. I never insert the bullet resistant plate into my own vest because it restricts my movement and worn me down fast, sometimes i just wear a beret in exercise instead of a helmet.
mysterious
July 31st, 2004, 02:41 AM
Yes Pathfinder, I completely agree with you! I was talking to this Canadian soldier the other day in person and he told me that vest is not much of an issue and you mostly need protection from shrapnels and stuff, but the helmet comes in pretty handy when you're in an extremely hostile situation. Plus, I'll write again what I've written above. He told me that helmets are typicall good for deflecting the bullet if it hits you in a certain angle but if the bullet hits you straight up-front, its gona go through the helmet and blow your brainz out.
gf0012-aust
July 31st, 2004, 02:48 AM
There is no helmet on gods green earth which will stop a straight on FMJ.
Thats why soldiers pray, and also why the words "duck" and "incoming" are two commands that will automatically be responded to without question. ;)
mysterious
July 31st, 2004, 03:05 AM
Yeah I guess I wasnt getting my point across clearly enough. I meant the same thing Gary. :smokingc:
Pathfinder-X
July 31st, 2004, 05:30 AM
There is no helmet on gods green earth which will stop a straight on FMJ.
Thats why soldiers pray, and also why the words "duck" and "incoming" are two commands that will automatically be responded to without question. ;)
There is some helmets out there that can stop a .45 cal and even 5.56 hollow point, these are mostly equipped by CT operators. It's lot heavier than army PASGT ones, so it's mostly worn for short duration. You can see such helmets worn by Alfa team in the moscow theatre siege.
WebMaster
July 31st, 2004, 12:26 PM
Srirangan, not really a competitor but there is another reason for P(|F filter. ;)
srirangan
July 31st, 2004, 12:32 PM
P|)F s a very popular file format, you gotta remove that filter man.. :)
fieldmarshal
July 31st, 2004, 11:39 PM
some of u guys here disapoint me
to start air weapons complex (awc) is the RnD branch of the PAF, they have some of the best brains and highly paid ppl workin there, some of my mates are workin there so i know it for a fact now as this is an armed forces run org so nothin n i mean nothin is done without a reason. now the army had asked the awc to come up with this n they did, the kevler is already in service with the diff branches of the PAk armed forces at the moment in limited numbers, but it will grow with time as adsh mentioned n saw, i know rangers have been usin vests for a long time.
n secondly i have had the prevliage to meet us army rangers in kohat in the early days of the afghan war, now u guys say that they dont ware kevlar vests, sorry to diapoint u but it was a part of there kit n i saw it with my own eyes n they with SSG were conductin operations in afghanistan.
pezfez
August 1st, 2004, 03:01 AM
probably in service in small numbers, due to the hi cost, and even though awc built the level 3, never will we buy it for regulars(combat), maybe for export
army had indicated it wanted to buy this stuff, but never placed an order for it, maybe in the future
in my humble opinion, i think the **** rangers would/should be better armed since they're facing a tougher oppononent (terrorists and tribals) who r a bigger threat than the indian army, as tensions have cooled.
adsH
August 1st, 2004, 07:34 AM
yep the rangers in karachi are getting quality training and equipment last time i visited Karachi to see my family was about a year ago and i can tell you the rangers were not impressive at all (interms of equipment) but now (this year) they seem to be well armed and well suited up with body armor, there uniforms look and appear simlar to the coalition standards.
i still think Pak army is buying these simply becasue Pak army is modernizing its self and that Pak army is always well equiped then its lower teer fighting forces (Rangers) this armour is a local produce so its probably going to be dirt cheap.
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