Iran New Fighter Jet

[Awang se]

Anyone here have any info on this? or better still, a picture? I just found out about this fighter yesterday morning on the news.

[Pathfinder-X]

Saeqeh-80

Sa'eqeh-80, an advanced twin finned, twin-engined fighter in the class of the YF-17/F-14.The Sa'eqeh-80 is expected to make it's maiden flight in 2003 and is said to be substantially different from any other aircraft in the IRIAF, or anywhere in the world.

http://www.iribnews.ir/newspic/04/07/08/12rsh2.jpg

Looks like this fighter project has suffered some delays. Many rather think this aircraft is an enlarged, twin engine F-5 rather than a replacement for F-14s. Unfortunately I couldn't find anymore info on this jet.

[Londo Molari]

Glad to here they have a prototype already!!!

of course all their aircraft programs are very young, so they may go for the JF-17 yet... regardless, Good luck to them!

[adsH]

Mate look at that Extra concrete reinforced Hardened AC shelter.

[Revival_786]

But that wouldn't make a significant difference in case of a direct missile attack, would it? :?

[gf0012-aust]

Mate look at that Extra concrete reinforced Hardened AC shelter.

Yep, and it's a bad design. Heaven help any aircraft caught in that HAS. It looks like 1970-80's technology.

Shoot the engineer who made it. ;)

[P.A.F]

this must have some russian tech in it. doesn't look to bad though :)

[manna]

interesting to hear this, a country who is isolated by americans has not given up and not only has she survived but has exceled in the field of designing.and producing an AC,wow, hats off to them they ateealy wonderfull and determined people,i was reading the other day that this is the only country in the world which do not have any debt to pay to any one, i mean loans of any kind,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, realy surprising

[P.A.F]

thats why they don't rely on the americans :D:

[yasin_khan]

manna is right.
Atleast they have done some thing.i think only three muslims country are able to produce fighter aircrafts.
1.Pakistan with Chineese assistance.
2.Iran(self suficent or Russian assistance)
3.Turkey(USA licensed)

[yasin_khan]

but in my opinion they have to do more and i think they are doing well to become self suficient.
May God give them power to become self sufficient in all feilds to defend their country and give enemy hard to strike. :)

[Edit: Lets keep our religious emotions away from defence discussions]

[P.A.F]

Ameen! anyway i have to say that at first sight i thought it was a F-5 northrop.

[umair]

Basically it's a hybrid, it's lines are a combination of the F-5E and the YF-17(u may call it[YF-17] F/A-18's daddy).
BTW I bet u that HAS could not stand even a proximity(upto 5 meters) hit from mk83 size onward bombs.

[corsair7772]

Its tech shud be something making it comparable to the F-20, i dont see how it could be an F-14. :?

[adsH]

BTW I bet u that HAS could not stand even a proximity(upto 5 meters) hit from mk83 size onward bombs.

its shelter is poorly designed as gf said its probably an old design. so i guess it wont take alot to take one of these Shelters down If IDAF or USAF wishes to. i bet it woulds crumble if a Missile were to hit its proximity.

[SABRE]

BTW I bet u that HAS could not stand even a proximity(upto 5 meters) hit from mk83 size onward bombs.

its shelter is poorly designed as gf said its probably an old design. so i guess it wont take alot to take one of these Shelters down If IDAF or USAF wishes to. i bet it woulds crumble if a Missile were to hit its proximity.

It doesnt seem like a 4th Gen Jet to me. just like some one said it looks like F-5 but with twin engines. I think the Iranians have released the prototype version in a hurry to show USA, whose armed forces are in Bordering Iraq, that they are capable of defending them selves and their air space. I dont think this jet stands any chance against any of the Jets being produced in the world except may be with LCA but thats about it. JF-17 would still be in the higher class. So as some ine said JF-17 would be good choice for Iran but I dnt think Pak would risk its Major Non Nato Allie status. Iran has had bad relations with USA, Britian and their relations with Russia have also been some what harsh, so basicaly there is no major jet producing country that can help Iran upgrade this Jet except for China, France and Italy. Relations with Russia have improved but its better they stick with their technology Russian tech have a low life.
Any ways the Jet looks very light so I doubt that it would be capable of carrying any heavy missiles also its body seems to be very weak. Hack I bet even Mirage 3 n 5 would be better than this. But lets just wait till it realy comes out of the production line. I am not against Iran but I dont think this jet might be able to protect Iranian air space in case of attack by USA which is now targeting Iran for its nuke capability. With out any doubt USAF F-14s, F-16s and F-18s will bring them down in no time and what ever adsH has written is right in my views, but I pray that it never happens, may Allah protect them and us.
The only good thing I see abt this jet is that it is built by Iranians alone without any Joint venture, and thats not a good thing but a best thing. If they keep it up they will succeed in producing a better Jet InshAllah.
The problem Iran must be facing now is that Iraq is now a USA allie and they are going to get better Jet fighters, so Iran has to do some thing and do it quick. Its more a political move than a deffence.

[Londo Molari]

I doubt that. Why would they roll out a prototype to show the USA?

First of all if they have a prototype now, serial production is around 5 years away... While the USA will probably attack in the next 2 years.

And everyone including Iran and USA know that if someone DOES attack Iran, the real defence of Iran is made up of F-14s and S300 SAMs... which have insane range. These indigineous aircraft don't even enter the mix till they are tested and true.

The only kind of message a prototype like this sends is that Iran is working away on trying to be self-sufficient, which is a noble goal.

As for JF-17, it'll probably enter production before the Irani jets, so they might purchase JF-17 after all... And Pakistan will not stop sales at all for some "status" because:
#1) Pakistan has openly considered Iran to be a potential market
#2) China will want to sell to Iran, and any NATO/U.S. pressure on Pakistan is meaningless in front of that

[SABRE]

I doubt that. Why would they roll out a prototype to show the USA?

First of all if they have a prototype now, serial production is around 5 years away... While the USA will probably attack in the next 2 years.

And everyone including Iran and USA know that if someone DOES attack Iran, the real defence of Iran is made up of F-14s and S300 SAMs... which have insane range. These indigineous aircraft don't even enter the mix till they are tested and true.

The only kind of message a prototype like this sends is that Iran is working away on trying to be self-sufficient, which is a noble goal.

As for JF-17, it'll probably enter production before the Irani jets, so they might purchase JF-17 after all... And Pakistan will not stop sales at all for some "status" because:
#1) Pakistan has openly considered Iran to be a potential market
#2) China will want to sell to Iran, and any NATO/U.S. pressure on Pakistan is meaningless in front of that

They roll out a prototype to show USA that they are capable of producing their own arms and wont hasitate to put them against USA aggression.
I dont think USA would attack Iran in next two years. If democrates are elected than the attack is certainly not going to take place in next 4 yr. Bush is unpredictable fool but if he is elected I doubt that he would attack Iran. Iranians are not like Iraqies they dnt have Sadam to go against.Even Their civilians will pick arms against USA.
As I said they rolled out prototype not to threaten USA or we can say tht it wasnt a deffencive move but rather a political. By this they can even keep the new USA's Iraq on its backfoot aswell.
About JF-17 I still stick with my earlier statement...Pak would hasitate to sell JF-17 so the Iranians will have to go for FC-1 versions at cheap rate with some help from Pak..thats all Pak can do 4 them.

(Anyways Londo Molari I visited ur website downloaded ur MASHs...but how do I use them.)

[Londo Molari]

Like I said before, China will want to sell to Iran, and thats far more important to Pakistan than any pressure from the west... China doesn't care about that.

Also, If the Democrats are elected then yes Iran won't be attacked. But if Bush comes back HE WILL GO AFTER IRAN as SOON as possible... It will be his second term. He knows he's not coming back. So then he'll have nothing to lose. Also if he's re-elected, he'll be convinced that the American public supports his psycho invasions. So if Republicans win (which is very possible) then Iran WILL be attacked in the next 2 years... and they know it.

Iran is making progress and so it has a prototype... there is no MESSAGE being sent. They are simply developing their own technologies.

As for my meshes from my website, they are in Lightwave 3D v5.5 format. So you need the software: Lightwave 3D to use them.

[Salman78]

Iran has become quite good at reverse engineering western/US tech just like Pakistan. This aircraft is nothing more than a twin fin F-5 freedom fighter which was supplied in large numbers to former IIAF. There might be some minor local improvements. It certainly won't be mass produced for Iranian AF let alone exported to any other country.

I think Iran is only trying to improve its remaing fleet of F-5's with some modifications & upgrades and this is not a new aircraft.

Somone posted "just like some one said it looks like F-5 but with twin engines" . This is incorrect cause F-5 has always been a twin engineed light daytime fighter. It was its succesor the failed F-20 which had a single yet more powerful engine.

[srirangan]

I think Iran will be attacked regardless of the US elections results. Incase people haven't noticed, foreign policy doesn't change even if a new govt is elected.

[SABRE]

All and all messege is clare....almost all of us are lookin at it as upgraded or modified F-5 version and it is of no good.
As I said Iran will be buying FC-1 version rather than JF-17. So the purchase would be from China rather than Pakistan. All Pakistan can do for Iranians is to get the China lower the price a bit. But this deosnt has any thing for Pakistan in it. I dnt think Pakistan would be willing to risk its Major Non Nato Allie Status but I do hope they make a brave move and sell the JF-17 version to Iranians. We dont even if this jet stands a chance against upgraded F-7 (Mi-21). Its a brave step forward but still a poor move.
& salman78 thanks for reminding me that F-5 was twin engin (counter for MiG19 twin engin jet) I seemed to have for got that.

Any ways every one is evaluating it as upgraded F-5 and I think it just might be true.

Dont v have any Iranian member here who knws abt his/her country's AF, who can comment on this and bring us much better info.

One thing is for sure that USA is planning to attack Iran. Pakistan wouldnt have provided its land for attack on Iran do USA goes after Iraq by this they will kill two targets with one builet. Now Iran is surrounded. USA army is in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pakistan will pull out support for both countries (In front of media we would be supporting IRan and speekin against USA's attack). But I still dont c USA attackin IRan in near future. Bush has few months left in office and if Democrates come in than attack would be even further delayed. I pray it doent happen. The bad news for Iran remains that their Tanks and Jets wont be able to do any thing just like Iraqi airforce was unable to do any thing. Its a military political move by Iran to roll out this just, remmember Sadam used to do the same. Every year he ll polish his Jets and tanks and roll them out as if they were brand new but look what happened in the end.

[Aussie Digger]

1 Laser Guided Bomb and this is what that hardened aircraft shelter will resemble...

http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/tallil/images/fig7.gif

That jet seems to have Russia engines, the RD-31 or whatever it's called, the same one that powers the SU-30. Oh and the F-5 is normally a twin engined jet. Cheers.

[adsH]

Aussie i appreciate the effort, thanx for the Pic.

whats the point for having a hardened shelter that can't even take one hit and survive.

[Aussie Digger]

Wide area dispersal and clever camouflage is a much better way of surviving these days I think, not to mention far cheaper. I haven't heard of any aircraft shelters standing up to bombing lately.

[gf0012-aust]

Wide area dispersal and clever camouflage is a much better way of surviving these days I think, not to mention far cheaper. I haven't heard of any aircraft shelters standing up to bombing lately.

Agree completely, No HAS is going to have much chance of surviving current PGM's. A static structure is a target waiting to be struck.

The days of queued revetments and display line parking are well and truly invitations for group destruction.

It's also why the Taiwanese, Swedes, Swiss, US all have a capability to deploy some assets inside of mountains - and even they will be vulnerable to variations of the "bunker buster"

The US has been delving around with shaped charge nukes - something that was previously thought to be impossible (if not very difficult ;))
As it stands (no pun intended), a bunker buster will make very short work of a HAS.

[Revival_786]

I guess the HAS's defence is from more on-ground weapons, such as high-powered hand-guns/rifles or small missile weapons (which will still do considerable damage I think) but the HAS can't withstand a round from a fairly modern tank or a PGM attack.

[lalith prasad]

su30 has al engines.

[fieldmarshal]

f-5 has always been a twin engine ac, the ac shown in the pic looks like this 747 that i saw in a movie, which actually was a 707 it just had some atificial structure on top to make it look like a 747. i forget the name of the movie

[cheenamalai]

Mann i don't get it :!:
Y don't Iran, China, Pak, Syria, Indonesia---------------------------------- work together and make an aircraft? :mad


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[mysterious]

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[omegasigma]

Mann i don't get it :!:
Y don't Iran, China, Pak, Syria, Indonesia---------------------------------- work together and make an aircraft? :mad


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Even if you put all the minds in the countries you mentioned together, engineering a brand new aircraft will be a difficult venture for these countries. They do not have the experience, education and infrastructure required. Even their own civilian aircrafts are maintained by companies from United States, India or Europe.

[armage]

Kind of embarrassing if you think about it, China can build a SSN and SSBN, but can’t build a 747. At least I think…… :P

[Red aRRow]

Even their own civilian aircrafts are maintained by companies from United States, India or Europe.


You gotta be kidding me. Did you just pop India in the list to make yourself feel good? Any example of India maintaining civilian aircrafts for the above mentioned countries to back your claim??
As far as I know China, Indonesia and Pakistan are quite capable of handling their own civilian aircrafts. China and Indonesia even have quite advanced aircraft production facilities.

[armage]

Yeah you got a point I was wondering why India was in on the list, seemed kind of weird......

[muslim282]

TO GET BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC

The iranians have simply reverse engineered an F5, scalled it up and given it minor modifications and called it an iranian plane.
Very little is known about the plane but as time goes on and more is learnt about the plane l think we will see what countries were/are involved.
Iranians without being sarky do not have the ability to make their own engines, such a project to be called indigenous is a moral booster for the iranian people but will carry very little weight in the military aviation circles.
My best guess would be that the engines are of russian origin as is the ejector seat. The rest.... well time will tell.
To say that the plane is a 4th generation machine is laughable ( l don,t mean to take the piss), but this brings it on par with the Gripens and Rafale.
lt would be best described (at this moment in time) as a 3rd generation unproven plane.
lf america was to attack iran (very unlikely as iraq is still not settled and the american troops seem to be in the long haul and bogged down) l don,t think the americans would see much of an arial battle.
lnstead the threat would be from SAMS.
All things considered l respect the fact that the iranians are trying very hard in becoming self sufficient and it will be a great learning exercise for the engineers, scientists and technicians.
Who knows what decent avionics and weapons may do for this plane !

[raveneyes]

Anyone here have any info on this? or better still, a picture? I just found out about this fighter yesterday morning on the news.
I think iran needs some time and some break for fullfill his requirement for air warfare. For short period of time JF 17 is a good machine but.. i am not sure If pakistan and china are interested to give this machine to iran without american consultation.

[mysterious]

How does American consultation effect Jf-17 sales? Its an entirely Sino-Pak venture and NO ONE except Pakistan and China themselves has a say over Jf-17 sales to other countries. That is also one of the main points that Pakistan and China stress from time to time to market Jf-17 to other third world countries in which they stress that Jf-17 sales would not be politically motivated, so there is no problem of sanctions and blah blah. :smokingc:

[armage]

Maybe he means if they export the JF-17 to Iran it might anger the US and lead to bad relations.....

[Boyle]

manna is right.
Atleast they have done some thing.i think only three muslims country are able to produce fighter aircrafts.
1.Pakistan with Chineese assistance.
2.Iran(self suficent or Russian assistance)
3.Turkey(USA licensed)

If Iran Can build this then you wonder if they've upgraded their F4,F5,F14
Mig 29 SU24,22,20 F7,F6 P3 or AH1

Happy Days

[aaaditya]

well yasin khan has conveniently forgotten india amongst the list of aircraft production nations(russian,british and indigenous):coffee

Mod Edit: Highsea: Those are not Muslim countries, which is what yasin khan specifically was referring to.

Regardless, no more derailing of the topic or this thread gets locked. It's Iran's New Fighter Jet, not "which countries build airplanes".

Carry on.

[Boyle]

Has Iran tought of reverse engineering imagine if they built 100+ Mig29's

Sweet

[Air Marshal]

Iran have well equiped F-5 Fighters..............

[P.A.F]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/shafaq.htm

this one looks nice!!!