MIG 1.42 MAPO

[phanthanhtai]

DO YOU HAVE ANY PICTURES OF MIG 1.42 IN FLIGHT?

[The Watcher]

I don't think there are any pictures of MIG 1.42 in flight. I haven't seen any on the net. :?

[gf0012-aust]

I don't think there are any pictures of MIG 1.42 in flight. I haven't seen any on the net. :?

I do, I've got some footage in my archives back home. It would take me a while to find it though as I'm in the middle of relocating for work. It's a bit grainy (originally a VHS copy I think)

It did less than 50 flying hrs before it was pulled from testing.

[The Watcher]

So that means there are no chances of finding any pictures on the net? would you upload the gallery? :idea2

[gf0012-aust]

So that means there are no chances of finding any pictures on the net? would you upload the gallery? :idea2

When I eventually get around to it I can. At the moment part of my stuff is on a truck driving across australia, and I'm about to go to germany. so I won't see it for a while. ;) But I will have a look when I get back. Someone might have to remind me though.

[Pathfinder-X]

The thing was cancelled due to lack of funds and the choosing of Suhoi as the lead research insititute for the 5th Generation AC. Initially Russian government offered the AC to China and India in hopes of saving the project but none of them were interested. India went for the PAK FA instead and China decide to design its own J-XX. But there were rumors of plasma stealth tech on this jet, however this cannot be confirmed.

[gf0012-aust]

The thing was cancelled due to lack of funds and the choosing of Suhoi as the lead research insititute for the 5th Generation AC. Initially Russian government offered the AC to China and India in hopes of saving the project of none of them were interested. India went for the PAK FA instead and China decide to design its own J-XX. But there were rumors of plasma stealth tech on this jet, however this cannot be confirmed.

Personally I think the plasma stealth technology is a bit overdone.
All the jets that you see that are supposed to have it invariably have painted bodies or conformal RAM coatings on them, eg it's a bit hard for any electronic induced phenomena to be induced on those surfaces.

The B2 bomber is also supposed to use a variation of plasma tech (which in effect turns it into one big flying electrostat). From my (admittedly) limited knowledge of electrical physics, I can't see it working on the B2 or the "phantom" russian aircraft.

[lalith prasad]

well recently the russian ambassador to india was interviewed and he said that india and russia were considering inviting china to join the pakfa project.also mikoyan is planning to restart the i.42 flight testing.

[gf0012-aust]

also mikoyan is planning to restart the i.42 flight testing.

why would anyone bother. it's a technology demonstrator that underperformed on tests. the very reason why sukhoi was blessed by the govt to undertake current combat aircraft production was to stop what the russians saw as unncessary development.

Mikoyan will have to fund it itself, it cannot seek outside investors without govt approval, and as such it will be seen as a distraction to Irkut, which is why the govt is moving towards one aircraft manufacturer. (thats why Irkut has floated and has absorbed old stalwarts like Yakovlev)

It's a gen 4 aircraft that has been rapidly been superceded in a few areas. To get the test bed revitalised will be singularly expensive. I can't see the Russ govt being too happy about this, especially when giving orders to Sukhoi was a very overt statement to Mikoyan about what was going to be the "new world order" for the russ aviation industry.

[lalith prasad]

as of now they have some funds available they had recently sold some migs to an african country and they have a few more customers in line.their cheif was hopefull of india placing an order for 30 mig 29k's .and are expecting to have a favourable result in the ongoing competition to supply india with an mrca or atleast upgrade the iaf mig29's to mig29 ovt standard .i too feel that it is pretty optimistic.

[Soldier]

I do have tons of pictures of Mig 1.42 but none in flight. If someone wants, i can post them. :idea2

[srirangan]

Sure.. it'll be ideal for the MAG 1.42 thread to contain pics. Thanks in advance! :)

[Soldier]

http://www.flygplan.info/images/mig_Project%201_42.jpg
http://airbase.ru/hangar/planes/russia/mig/mfi/pix/mig-1.42.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/mig142b.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/mig142c.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/mig142d.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/mig142g.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/mig142f.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/mig142hthumb.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/mig142p.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/mig142m.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/mig142w.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/mig142ee.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/mig142ff.jpg

Ok below is the one in flight

http://www.aeronautics.ru/mig142yy.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img004/mig144-002.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img004/mig144-001.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img004/mig144-003.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img004/mig144-004.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img004/mig144-005.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/mig144drawing.gif

[adsH]

bloody hell!! this is the nicest looking AC i have ever seen Bar Concord. i wish this Ac comes into service as soon as possible. thnx for teh PIctures !!

[XEROX]

looks good, i wonder what the price tag will be

[adsH]

if they can implement a V shaped more stealthier Inlet and keep minimal Weaponry like AtoA and BVR and keep them in side the AC some how and keep the Ac Clean. then it would be a potent and a very dangerous AC in air.

[XEROX]

so its not currently a 5th generation fighter then

[gf0012-aust]

so its not currently a 5th generation fighter then

It's whats referred to in industry circles as an "orphaned unit". It's going nowhere for a very very long time unless they get hit with a huge sum of money. And they won't get it from the Russian Govt, and they haven't the resources to fund it off second hand Mig29 sales and service.

The Russ govt has already forced them to stop development.

[adsH]

so if the reports are true and India decides to join in the R&D and pay up, then we might see this Project taking a 5th gen shape.

[gf0012-aust]

so if the reports are true and India decides to join in the R&D and pay up, then we might see this Project taking a 5th gen shape.

Possibly, but it's not a 5th gen aircraft, even with investment.

[Pathfinder-X]

Possibly, but it's not a 5th gen aircraft, even with investment.

This thing is a tech demonstrator to be precise, used to test new technologies such as plasma stealth and the new AL-41 engine. The program has been stopped by russian government, but some of the components used on this jet will be used in PAK FA program.

[gf0012-aust]

Possibly, but it's not a 5th gen aircraft, even with investment.

This thing is a tech demonstrator to be precise, used to test new technologies such as plasma stealth and the new AL-41 engine. The program has been stopped by russian government, but some of the components used on this jet will be used in PAK FA program.

Thats exactly what I have been trying to point out without offending pro-Mikoyan supporters. At less than 50hrs flying time it is a CTD that has failed to deliver as a fly away concept. It was a mule.

[lalith prasad]

if india joins the project 1.42 development it will take all the funds available to the iaf for 2 or 3 years.pretty expensive and bloody waste.

[Deltared075]

What is MIG 1.42?????? :? :?

:D: I only know the MIG 1-44

[Aussie Digger]

It looks very much like a Eurofighter Typhoon to me with design elements from the F-22 (canopy etc). Can't those Russian design their own original looking aircraft? Even the SU-27/30 seems to be a design evolution from the F-14/F-15 series aircraft...

[P.A.F]

i prefer the f-22 :D: this mig looks more like a match box.

[Aussie Digger]

Yeah it looked a bit weird to my mind to. Like the designers hadn't yet made up their mind what they wanted the aircraft to do...

[Awang se]

It looks very much like a Eurofighter Typhoon to me with design elements from the F-22 (canopy etc). Can't those Russian design their own original looking aircraft? Even the SU-27/30 seems to be a design evolution from the F-14/F-15 series aircraft...

F-15 twin rudder design was taken from russian MIG-25. In fact, i heard that F-15 was design to counter MIG-25. And then russian developed SU-27 and MIG-29 to counter F-15.

[gf0012-aust]

It looks very much like a Eurofighter Typhoon to me with design elements from the F-22 (canopy etc). Can't those Russian design their own original looking aircraft? Even the SU-27/30 seems to be a design evolution from the F-14/F-15 series aircraft...

F-15 twin rudder design was taken from russian MIG-25. In fact, i heard that F-15 was design to counter MIG-25. And then russian developed SU-27 and MIG-29 to counter F-15.

Mig 25 designed to intercept XB-70
F-108 designed to protect XB-70 - cancelled
F-15 designed to intercept the Su-25 as the F4 inadequate
Mig 29, Su-27 designed to counter F-15, F-14 and F/A-18

[Awang se]

You got source? pls?

[Awang se]

did F-108 have a range to escort the bombers? i thougt it is F-15.

[gf0012-aust]

did F-108 have a range to escort the bombers? i thougt it is F-15.

It did, but the plane was deemed unnecessary as the XB-70 was cancelled.
It would have been an interesting combination. IIRC the F108 was substantially quicker than other escort aircraft of the period.

On the other data, there is some available if you look at the F-15 and F-14 history sites. I am going off memory here as I once did a paper on high speed interceptors from the 60's and 70's.

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In 1955, USAF launched the program of LRIX (Long-Range Interceptor Experiment), that the fighter was to be capable of March 3 performance and could destroy attacking Soviet bombers over the poles before they could get near U.S. territory. As it was also to be the escort fighter for the XB-70 bomber that was built by North American Aviation, the company also was issued a contract for two prototypes which designated F-108A Rapier. The F-108A was designed as a large delta-winged aircraft, powered by a pair of after burning turbojets. A mockup was inspected in January 1959 with planned first flight in 1961. However, by mid 1959, the threat from Soviet Union was perceived to be its intercontinental ballistic missiles instead of its force of long-range bombers. Against the ballistic missiles, F-108 would be completely useless. The program was cancelled on September 1959.

/excerpt off

http://www.anigrand.com/AA2018xf-108real.jpg

http://www.anigrand.com/AA2018xf-108real3.jpg

http://www.anigrand.com/AA2018xf-108real2.jpg

http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/archive/2002/august/photos/August-Frontiers10049.jpg

It was mach 3 capable, so it would have moved along fairly well. ;)

[gf0012-aust]

You got source? pls?

Mig-25 link:
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/vvs/mig25-01.htm

F-15 Link:
http://www.vectorsite.net/avf15.html

XB-70 Link:
http://www.vectorsite.net/avxb70.html

(includes details on F-108 Rapier)

Mig-29 Link:
http://www.airtoaircombat.com/background.asp?id=5&bg=103

F-14 Link:
http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-history.htm

[Salman78]

MAPO looks pretty neat . The claim that its stealther then F/A-22 is obviously absured. Can anyone find some pics of its testing any weapons ?

[gf0012-aust]

MAPO looks pretty neat . The claim that its stealther then F/A-22 is obviously absured. Can anyone find some pics of its testing any weapons ?

There are none that I know of. The only footage that was in the public domain has been pulled and that was landings and launches. The plane only flew for 50 hrs and is highly unlikely to have been certified for weapons release in that time.

[Salman78]

MAPO looks pretty neat . The claim that its stealther then F/A-22 is obviously absured. Can anyone find some pics of its testing any weapons ?

There are none that I know of. The only footage that was in the public domain has been pulled and that was landings and launches. The plane only flew for 50 hrs and is highly unlikely to have been certified for weapons release in that time.

It would have been really nice if you could save that footage. Anyway...

[gf0012-aust]

I do have the footage in some of my archives. I just have to find it. I've been off site for the last few months and have only just got back to my residential location

[Salman78]

Russians should get rid of canards. They are bad for stealth characterstics. So in this configuration there is no way it can even come close to what F/A-22 might look on a radar screen.

[Pathfinder-X]

Russians should get rid of canards. They are bad for stealth characterstics. So in this configuration there is no way it can even come close to what F/A-22 might look on a radar screen.

Russian are not big on using passive stealth, instead they are testing an active stealth tech called plasma stealth. Using Ionized gas to conceal itself from radar. This tech was originally planned to be tested on Mig-1.42 and S-37. But lack of fund has delay the progress for development.