PAF to acquire mirages from libya

[fieldmarshal]

PAF to acquire mirages from libya

http://www.pakobserver.net/200406/16/view/?page=1&id=4

Islamabad—Pakistan Air Force is in the final stages of acquiring 35 old Mirages from Libya.

Well placed defence sources told Pakistan Observer that deal was almost finalized and Mirages will arrive in Pakistan shortly. Due to various sanctions and dormant Libyan Air Force, Mirages have been lying grounded for the past many years. PAF will either go for massive upgradation of these old Mirages or will use them as spare parts after scrapping them. PAF sources are hesitant to give out the financial outlay for the 35 Mirages but it will be on the basis of hard cash payment. It is believed that PAF has cut a good financial deal with Libya for this purchase. Libya after the lifting of sanctions is planning to equip its air force with new fleet of fighters. Sources said that if PAF decides to refurbish and upgrade old Mirages, it will have to equip the planes with new radars, avionics and weapon systems.

SAGEM of France had upgraded 40 old Mirages which PAF bought from Australia. It is yet to be decided by the PAF whether to upgrade or scrap the Mirages for use as spare parts. Pakistan has been finding it very hard to buy spares from France as they are very expensive.

[fieldmarshal]

well i think this is aggod deal cuz from the looks of it they were dert cheap plus some of them palne havent been flown much..........sources have told me that some have around 2000 flight hours which is nothing....n they will be goin through rose three upgrades n will replace the older mirages in PAF which some will be conablised for spears

[amit21mech]

After US sanctions Libyan Airforce became the most neglected force by Libya Govt. And Mirage aircrafts( 15 Mirage F1-ED, 6 Mirage F1-BD, 40 MIG 23BN Flogger, 30 Mirage 5D/DE, 14 Mirage 5DD & 14 Mirage F1-AD) were so neglected that only half were in flying condition, the others being cannibalized for spare parts. So they must have bought those by paying peanuts. Moreover PAF helped Libyan airforce in flying & maintenance during sanctions so they are the best to know what to do with those Mirages. I think PAF is undertaking a big overhauling plan for her aging Mirage III and V variants in wake of expensive French spares.

[adsH]

the number procured is 50 i think some one has made an error listing the Numbers.

[srirangan]

Good lord, why are they buying unmaintained junk from Libya of all countries!? PAF will have to spend a lot of the maintainence of these..

[adsH]

Good lord, why are they buying unmaintained junk from Libya of all countries!? PAF will have to spend a lot of the maintainence of these..

the infra structure is already there to upgrade and rebuild them. not all of them will end up being overhauled and upgraded some are for Parts cannibalization, these Jets are very Effective Bombers and reconance. after the grippens this is the only fighter that can achieve mach 2 at low altitudes. so with a 4 gen avionics package this Fighter bomber is very effective for the money they spend. most of them will be retired after the JF-17 phaze inn the Mirages are a short term Gap filler, but they (mirages) have teeth that do bite. i think 50 have been aquired from libya and there were some from Lebanon, the lebanese ones were used alot more so they may end up being cannibalized but last i had heard 14 of them were in the overhaul Factory being completely rebuilt and upgraded to Rose 3 standard.

[P.A.F]

considering that they have flown very little i don't think they are that bad. just need to be polished up a bit and then there ready for action.

[Paf2010]

Good lord, why are they buying unmaintained junk from Libya of all countries!? PAF will have to spend a lot of the maintainence of these..

Most of these planes have been in the storage for more then 6-8 years and they will be use for parts only; however, PAF may decide to upgrade few with Rose III project (better Avionics & Radar), also UAE will sell its fleet of Mirage V to Pakistan, negotiation is under way we should hear about this in few weeks.

[srirangan]

Let's hope PAF spend enough $$$ on the upgrades or else we know depreciation works over time when equipment ain't being used. Good luck to Pakistan and Libya on this deal.

[mysterious]

I think we all know that PAF knows better than anyone else how to efficiently use meagre resources that it has! Previous ROSE upgrades on Mirage IIIs and Vs and other measures taken such as that one shouldn't leave any doubts in anyone's mind. :smokingc:

[srirangan]

I agree, PAF wouldn't invest their limited resources unless they knew it was a deal that would work.

[The Watcher]

limited resources??? You are one sneaky flamer sri.

[srirangan]

it's a fact .. ohh and when myst said "meagre" resources wasn't that a flame too?

myst:
I think we all know that PAF knows better than anyone else how to efficiently use meagre resources that it has! Previous ROSE upgrades on Mirage IIIs and Vs and other measures taken such as that one shouldn't leave any doubts in anyone's mind. Cool :roll

[The Watcher]

sorry didn't read his reply. :alian2 :help

Admin: tut tut, see what happens when we think we've read something.. ;)

[adsH]

The upgrades include the Overhaul of engines Airframes and Cutimizations, And last but not the Least ROSE 3 Configuration Avionics and radars with IRST