Pakistan’s Beagle to sniff U.S. borders

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Pakistan’s Beagle to sniff U.S. borders

by Brian Walters

An unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) dubbed ‘Border Eagle,’ together with ground display software, is to be supplied by Integrated Dynamics (ID) to the U.S. Homeland Border Control. Some 20 of these mini surveillance systems are to be delivered before the end of February and an example is featured on the Pakistan-based company’s Dubai 2003 exhibit (Stand No. W102). On-board sensors are to be supplied in the U.S.

ID is making its second appearance at a Dubai show, having previously promoted its UAV expertise in 1997 and winning orders as a result. Although Pakistan is the company’s biggest customer for UAVs and support systems, its expertise in flight control, telecommand and control systems has won recognition in several other countries including France and the UK to which such electronic equipment has been supplied.


While the company’s smaller UAVs are powered by piston engines in the pusher configuration, the Tornado 2000 aerial target and decoy system, also on display, is powered by two 18-pound thrust mini turbojets, which endow a speed range of 70 to 300 knots. To help train UAV operators, ID has developed pilot and mission simulators that offer low cost solutions to training requirements that would otherwise oblige use of real UAVs.

The pilot simulator provides a high level of realism and can support single or multiple instrument failures, while the mission simulator enables the user to analyze the mission before the actual flight, thus reducing risk and increasing system cost effectiveness.


http://www.ainonline.com/Publicatio...2beaglep38.html

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Read about the Flight Control software, base control station and its communication link i believe Pakistanis are great telecomm engineers !! its an impressive looking UAV minus the Sensors which are basic, its so cheap to make aswell, i think that why the US or any one would be interested in such a UAV the Sensors synthetic apertures can be added without any problem


So any one now doubting the Quality and the Sophistication and competitiveness of Pakistani Products and Tech equipments think again !!

heres another link if the first doesn't work
http://www.ainonline.com/Publications/Dubai/Dubai_03/d2beaglep38.html

[mysterious]

Did you look at the replicas of the fighter jets? Holy $!#!$ !!! I still am quite overwhelmed by the amount of sophistication by this Pakistan-based company. :smokingc:

[srirangan]

Yes. This news first surfaced a couple of months ago. I think the US purchased this when it was displayed in an air show at Dubai. Btw a very unique name "Beagle", I would've expected some Arab/Persian/Turk/Mongol king who had invaded the sub-continent's name. ANyway good for the company.

Can anyone confirm this, is it an independent private co, or a subsidiary of the Pak Gov.?

[mysterious]

Its a UAV for pete's sakes, and not some 'combat' aircraft or anything like that to have a name of a conqueror or king that invaded some place successfully. Those kinda names are only meant to have a psychological effect on the opposing side, thats about it. :cop

Admin: Calm down Myst. It's a legitimate question. No need to go into orbit

[srirangan]

You don't understand, Beagle is too much of a western name. Even if t was Abu I wouldn't mind LOL.

Re: Can anyone confirm this, is it an independent private co, or a subsidiary of the Pak Gov.?

[mysterious]

According to what I know, its a private firm.

[adsH]

its called ID i like there website they make everything them selves I think they can easily start working on cruse Missiles they have all the Com link and the equipment they just need to partner up with some one in Pakistan that makes Missiles.

[Revival_786]

Great post myst :)

I didn't know Pak were that good in this field :pak

[mysterious]

Sorry but I did not post that. It was adsh and I cant take credit for his work of posting the great news over here. All praise goes to adsh. :smokingc:

[adsH]

ALLL PRAISE ADSH!!! :lol

[srirangan]

I'ld rather be praising that company.. :) Ah what the hell: hail asdH!!

[lalith prasad]

does pakistan have an uuv project.india has developed a uuv known as flatfish which can be used for surveillance and a future unmanned submarine can also be developed .this system can dive to a depth 6000feet .it has been developed by iit powai one of the worlds best engineerig colleges in collaboration with the indian navy it has also successfully developed and recently tested an unmanned hovercraft prototype capable of firing missiles and torpedoes .indian navy is evaluating these systems i will try to post further information on this and try to give you further sources of it in a few days .also in todays hindu paper there is an article about india's uav and uuv programme though i dont know how to download it.it states that ada is working on a high subsonic cruise missile based onthe lakshya pilotless target aircraft isral is interested in purchasing this system and recently their delegation visited india to negotiate on it.thay claim that the range of lakshya cruise missile will be 600kms with a 500kg warhead india also has missile programmes with israel.the lora e missile and the turbo popeye last year israel tested tp in the indian ocean india is also evaluating the spyder sam system and currently an indian army team is in israel to inspect both the projects. recently a few indian college students developed an integrated surveillance sight and control system which can be used future unmanned battle tanks .it was recently successfully tested however clearance has not been given yet for this project.i think pakistan should also encourage ita eng colleges to undertake individual projects.this will make defence syatems less expensive and also create and upgrade the existing infrastructurethat they have they should also give particular attention to ucav and uuv these are futuristic technologies.

[lalith prasad]

also a us company is trying to sell india its blimps these are airships which can reach and remain at an altitude of upto 70000 feet and can be used for surveillance,awacs and communications.it can carry a surveillance or communication payload from 500kgs to 5900kgs

[Oqaab]

does pakistan have an uuv project.india has developed a uuv known as flatfish which can be used for surveillance and a future unmanned submarine can also be developed .

The discussion is regarding UAVs, and not UUVs.

BTW, the project for Indian UUV has just started. It hasnt been completed. So no need to jump around.

Comming back to the topic,

I didnt understand that If Pakistan is making and exporting UAV to countries like US, then why is it discussing Predetor ?

[gf0012-aust]

does pakistan have an uuv project.india has developed a uuv known as flatfish which can be used for surveillance and a future unmanned submarine can also be developed .

The discussion is regarding UAVs, and not UUVs.

BTW, the project for Indian UUV has just started. It hasnt been completed. So no need to jump around.

Comming back to the topic,

I didnt understand that If Pakistan is making and exporting UAV to countries like US, then why is it discussing Predetor ?

Predator provides a completely different strategic and tactical capability. It can carry far more equipment, has been used for a strike role, and if it is the model B, then has a greater range than Global Hawk.

ie, the taskings and capability are completely different between the 2 platforms.

[srirangan]

>> I didnt understand that If Pakistan is making and exporting
>> UAV to countries like US, then why is it discussing Predetor ?

Because even though the plane was exported to the US, the onboard sensors fitted in the beagle were US made. What good a beagle without credible sensors?

Which is why the predator is being considered for import.

[gf0012-aust]

>> I didnt understand that If Pakistan is making and exporting
>> UAV to countries like US, then why is it discussing Predetor ?

Because even though the plane was exported to the US, the onboard sensors fitted in the beagle were US made. What good a beagle without credible sensors?

Which is why the predator is being considered for import.

The US (like most countries) has a local component requirement for any military equipment used by its forces. The sensor systems would have had to be US built as I imagine that they would be a restricted item.

[Oqaab]

Thanx gf.

Because even though the plane was exported to the US, the onboard sensors fitted in the beagle were US made. What good a beagle without credible sensors?

Which is why the predator is being considered for import.

If the sensors are US made then why the hell is the US buying the UAV carrying those US built sensors ???? Think with ur mind.

As gf has said, US might have provided the system to fulfil its defence requirments of UAV. BUT the UAV is indegenous to Pakistan.

[srirangan]

Oqaab,

I never disputed the claim that the UAV was made by a Pak company. Just was pointing out that US still had to make some costumizations, which Gf pointed out was naural.

:)

[lalith prasad]

[Admin: Are you blind? This isn't about UUAs so can it! We know India has a prototype, if you want to tell the world open a different thread. This topic is about Pakistan’s Beagle to sniff U.S. borders. ]

[srirangan]

Tip: lalith all your points are very valid, but if you could just split up your responces into many paragraphs it becomes easier to read.. thanks!

[lalith prasad]

it requires more effort and iam too lazy for it sorry .

[WebMaster]

Maybe you shouldn't be on a forum then? Do read your last reply on 1st page again.

[rabirizvi]

As Oqaab said
"If the sensors are US made then why the hell is the US buying the UAV carrying those US built sensors ???? Think with ur mind. "

so can someone confirm whether it has pakistani sensors or of US n can someone tell us as to how many of these babies will be delivered to US
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[adsH]

20 of them were delivered to the US Homeland Security, where i guess they would retro fit them with synthetic apertures, mainly for surveillance, i think the main reason to buy these is that they are Dam Cheap and realy good, i guess highly reliable and the base control system is quiet a bit sophisticated and simple to use, has a simulation software that would make it easy to train operators and has couple of Flight automation abilities the main reason is that Pakistanis can provide these alot cheaper and alot quicker it only took them 3 months to build and deliver the 20 with control Base and there software system. i would say the the Illegal Mexican community in the US would be cursing Pakistanis for it, if the beagle would be used for surveillance for that region.

[rabirizvi]

thanks for the numbers adsh