Pakistan to get 3 new frigates.

[P.A.F]

Admiral Kareemullah said negotiations with the Peoples Republic of China were in final stages for the purchase of four frigates. Each frigate with a dead weight of 3000 tons would have a facility to carry a helicopter.
This is a big boost to the pakistani navy because i heard from another source that the deal includes combat helicopters which will be armed with air to surface missiles as well as sophisticated long range radars. This is definately a huge enhancement to the pakistani navy because we definatly need more stealthy air patrols around our waters.

admiral Kareemullah is just waiting for the go ahead of the deal.

[adsH]

Admiral Kareemullah said negotiations with the Peoples Republic of China were in final stages for the purchase of four frigates. Each frigate with a dead weight of 3000 tons would have a facility to carry a helicopter.
This is a big boost to the pakistani navy because i heard from another source that the deal includes combat helicopters which will be armed with air to surface missiles as well as sophisticated long range radars. This is definately a huge enhancement to the pakistani navy because we definatly need more stealthy air patrols around our waters.

admiral Kareemullah is just waiting for the go ahead of the deal.

I thought the deal was for four with three of them being built at Pak Navy Docks under TOT

Clarification needed

[P.A.F]

sorry. your right. it's four frigates with 3 built in pk

the site is
http://www.dawn.com/2004/05/08/top6.htm

[gf0012-aust]

sorry. your right. it's four frigates with 3 built in pk

the site is
http://www.dawn.com/2004/05/08/top6.htm

I was initially curious about this, China is flat out trying to build new vessels herself. In fact a lot of offshore building is happening as local yards can't keep up. She would have been highly unlikely to build 4 vessels for friends and partners due to her own demand priorities.

[adsH]

sorry. your right. it's four frigates with 3 built in pk

the site is
http://www.dawn.com/2004/05/08/top6.htm

I was initially curious about this, China is flat out trying to build new vessels herself. In fact a lot of offshore building is happening as local yards can't keep up. She would have been highly unlikely to build 4 vessels for friends and partners due to her own demand priorities.

Thats the reason they are going to let pakistan build there designs I think Pak Does have its own Dry docks and i think they have there Dry docks fitted with western ship Building equipment so i guess the Over all spead Might be the same as chinese who use alot more older bamboo style and construction with alot of ship builders to compensate for lack of moder ship building mechanism.

[P.A.F]

the first ship is going to be built in china with pakistani engineer's looking at how it's built. the other 3 r gonna be built in pakistan with the help of the chinese engineers.

[Roger Smith]

Admiral Kareemullah said negotiations with the Peoples Republic of China were in final stages for the purchase of four frigates. Each frigate with a dead weight of 3000 tons would have a facility to carry a helicopter.
This is a big boost to the pakistani navy because i heard from another source that the deal includes combat helicopters which will be armed with air to surface missiles as well as sophisticated long range radars. This is definately a huge enhancement to the pakistani navy because we definatly need more stealthy air patrols around our waters.

admiral Kareemullah is just waiting for the go ahead of the deal.


It is high time Pakistan buys new naval frigates from China, as most of PN vessels are old and second-hand from American and British Navies., exception of new submarines made by Pakistan recently.

[adsH]

Pakistan To Sign Frigate And Helicopter Deal With China By June


April 01, 2004:Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Shahid Karimullah on Wednesday said Pakistan would sign a deal with China for supply of four frigates in June. He told reporters at the inauguration of a private hospital in Wah Cantonment he hoped the financial approval for the purchase of the frigates would soon be accorded while further modalities would be finalized in May, during his upcoming visit to China. In June, both the countries would formally sign the agreement for the supply of four Chinese F-22P frigates, he added. One or two of these frigates would be built in China, while the rest in Pakistan, he said.


In addition, he said, Pakistan would also buy anti-submarine helicopters from China and this deal would also be finalized in due course. Answering a question, he said the Pakistan Navy had been conducting joint exercises with numerous countries’ navies and at present its fleet is participating in a two-day multilateral maritime exercise in the Gulf of Oman. In the exercise, "Arabian Shark 2004", maritime units of nine international navies have been participating, including those of the US, UK, France, Italy, Spain, Australia, Kuwait and Bahrain. Admiral Shahid said the Pakistan Navy units will also take part in an exhibition later this year in the UK, while the PNS flag would be hoisting in the US waters the next year when its another unit will attend an exercise there.





They are GOING TO BUILD THEM NOT BUY THEM from china there is a difference!!! they are buying one !! the rest will be built quiet cheaply in pakistan under TOT.

[solid]

I heard this news at some chinese forums too. Mybe these ships are type 053H3.
Mybe this one? It's a type 053H3 FFG's tail
http://www.cjdby.com/uploadfile/20045812344710976.jpg

or this one? It looks like a type 054 FFG or 052b, 052C DDG......who knows.
http://www.cjdby.com/uploadfile/20045812331767632.jpg

[adsH]

I can't find a picture of F-22P any one have one !!!

[solid]

I think PLAN don't need more 053H3 FFG. So these two ships maybe built for PN.
http://www.cjdby.com/UploadFile/200442811592769692.jpg
if you can't see the pic. just copy the pic's address to the IE's address bar.

[adsH]

I think PLAN don't need more 053H3 FFG. So these two ships maybe built for PN.
http://www.wforum.com/wmf/uploads/2004428new.jpg
if you can't see the pic. just copy the pic's address to the IE.

i was reading about this somewhere they are stopping further production becasue the next generation ships are comming inn and they look beautiful. these ships look nice too by far the best looking Frigates in chinese inventory.

[Roger Smith]

Pakistan To Sign Frigate And Helicopter Deal With China By June


April 01, 2004:Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Shahid Karimullah on Wednesday said Pakistan would sign a deal with China for supply of four frigates in June. He told reporters at the inauguration of a private hospital in Wah Cantonment he hoped the financial approval for the purchase of the frigates would soon be accorded while further modalities would be finalized in May, during his upcoming visit to China. In June, both the countries would formally sign the agreement for the supply of four Chinese F-22P frigates, he added. One or two of these frigates would be built in China, while the rest in Pakistan, he said.


In addition, he said, Pakistan would also buy anti-submarine helicopters from China and this deal would also be finalized in due course. Answering a question, he said the Pakistan Navy had been conducting joint exercises with numerous countries’ navies and at present its fleet is participating in a two-day multilateral maritime exercise in the Gulf of Oman. In the exercise, "Arabian Shark 2004", maritime units of nine international navies have been participating, including those of the US, UK, France, Italy, Spain, Australia, Kuwait and Bahrain. Admiral Shahid said the Pakistan Navy units will also take part in an exhibition later this year in the UK, while the PNS flag would be hoisting in the US waters the next year when its another unit will attend an exercise there.





They are GOING TO BUILD THEM NOT BUY THEM from china there is a difference!!! they are buying one !! the rest will be built quiet cheaply in pakistan under TOT.


adsH

I do not feel Chinese Naval vessels are very hi-tech, as the Chinese are buying TOT from the Russian.

Chinese theory and doctorin as well policy has always been to copy others and mass produced the same and sell to under-developed countries and make money.

[solid]

These two 053H3's hulls are stopping further production?? Never heard about that. And as I known, these hulls and 054 FFG are almost built at the same time. Although I can't find any F22P's pic on the web, but I believe F22P will use 053H3's hull. I also hope they can use stealthy hull which like type 054's.

[solid]

I do not feel Chinese Naval vessels are very hi-tech
I agree with you. they are just mid-tech.
the Chinese are buying TOT from the Russian
yeah, The first 956EM DDG that the Russian Severnaya Verf Shipbuilding Plant built for China was launched on April 27, 2004.
But notice the word 'TOT', this is the very important difference between China and other developing countries like India. I think this is the best way to save money and also can help China to develop her industry (esp heavy
industry) and tech faster.
mass produced the same and sell to under-developed countries and make money
Making money isn't the main purpose and can't be the main purpose in fact, for buyers are under-developed countris. China just wanna help these friends to pass the hard time and built their own industry ability.

[joker]

The helos are the Z9.... dont know about A2G capability though.. although the Sea Kings have the capability to launch AShup missiles.

A pic of the F22P model: (Source: Pakdef.info).

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PS. the Type 21 hulls maybe getting on but the subsystems have been upgraded extensively and they are to continue serving in the PN until 2010 i think.

[adsH]

These two 053H3's hulls are stopping further production?? Never heard about that. And as I known, these hulls and 054 FFG are almost built at the same time. Although I can't find any F22P's pic on the web, but I believe F22P will use 053H3's hull. I also hope they can use stealthy hull which like type 054's.

I think i have seen an F-22P its fairly new vessel but it has a distinctive Antenna array similar to the Type 052 luhu class Missile destroyer, its the Black Antena Array but i am unclear if pak wil use any of the chinese Onbord systems in the Past Pakistan has always used French Equipment and the French have visited Pak navy Dry dock too so there is somthing to watch there.

I doubt it will utilize the HUll configuration of the 054 i have seen couple of Pics of the FFG and i am am Impressed it looks nice!! but i don't think PakNavy is going for that!! the construction look complicateing and pakistan only has limited (but sufficient)experience building Guided missile Boats.


I must agree with the New hull design and the Phase array radars and the New French fire control systems and other computer sub system the Ship would of been a Damm punch.

[adsH]

Thank god !!! i did abit od quick research and found out that the Ship was renamed /!!!!!

this is the story source http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/jiangwei_houjian_zhongb.htm


hree years after the launch of the last Jiangwei 542 Tongling, Hudong Shipyard started to build the improved Jiangwei II FFG (Type 053H3, 2,393t full load, speed 26.5kt) in 1996. The new frigate has upgraded radar and fire control systems, including datalink, SATCOM, ZKJ-XC combat autmation system as well as a new Type 343G fire-control radar (with an oval-shaped dish) replacing the obsolete Type 343 which controlled the 100mm main gun. More powerful weapon systems include two quadruple YJ-82/83 SSM systems (compared to the original two triple) and a PJ33A twin 100mm automatic gun identical to the one installed on Luhu and Luhai DDG. A vertically launched SAM system was speculated in the forward structure in front of the bridge, but this turned out to be false. Instead an octuple HQ-7 SAM system (manual reload, controlled by Type 345 radar replacing Castor II) was installed suggesting HQ-7 has become the standard weapon systems onboard all latest PLAN warships. Besides the two aft Type 76/715 37mm close-in AA guns relocated above the helicopter hanger as well as the raised structure above bridge to house the Type 343G radar, Jiangwei II appears generally similar to the original Jiangwei in size and arrangement. A total of 8 ships were constructed (521-524, 566 built in Shanghai, 564-565 & 567 bulit in Guangzhou) before the program was terminated, among them the first vessle was reportedly built for Pakistani Navy (597?), but the budgetary constraint terminated deal, and the ship was later renumbered as 521. An improvement first discovered onboard 567 is the new Type 99 twin 100mm main gun featuring a stealth optimized turret. This new main gun is being back-fitted to the rest of ships in the same class (including 521, 522 & 564). There were reports that Pakistani Navy was negotiating with Chinese to procure 4 export version of Jiangwei II (dubbed F-22P), but this has not been confirmed.

[Roger Smith]

I do not feel Chinese Naval vessels are very hi-tech
I agree with you. they are just mid-tech.
the Chinese are buying TOT from the Russian
yeah, The first 956EM DDG that the Russian Severnaya Verf Shipbuilding Plant built for China was launched on April 27, 2004.
But notice the word 'TOT', this is the very important difference between China and other developing countries like India. I think this is the best way to save money and also can help China to develop her industry (esp heavy
industry) and tech faster.
mass produced the same and sell to under-developed countries and make money
Making money isn't the main purpose and can't be the main purpose in fact, for buyers are under-developed countris. China just wanna help these friends to pass the hard time and built their own industry ability.

I feel the South Korean are the most advance in hi-tech ship building nation. I saw on BBC World news on South Korea, they have pending orders from foreign buyers for over 400 vessels Merchant ships such as bulk cargo ships, oil tanks etc worth $80 billion., the South Korean shipyards are fully booked for the next 4 to 5 years.

[adsH]

I do not feel Chinese Naval vessels are very hi-tech
I agree with you. they are just mid-tech.
the Chinese are buying TOT from the Russian
yeah, The first 956EM DDG that the Russian Severnaya Verf Shipbuilding Plant built for China was launched on April 27, 2004.
But notice the word 'TOT', this is the very important difference between China and other developing countries like India. I think this is the best way to save money and also can help China to develop her industry (esp heavy
industry) and tech faster.
mass produced the same and sell to under-developed countries and make money
Making money isn't the main purpose and can't be the main purpose in fact, for buyers are under-developed countris. China just wanna help these friends to pass the hard time and built their own industry ability.

I feel the South Korean are the most advance in hi-tech ship building nation. I saw on BBC World news on South Korea, they have pending orders from foreign buyers for over 400 vessels Merchant ships such as bulk cargo ships, oil tanks etc worth $80 billion., the South Korean shipyards are fully booked for the next 4 to 5 years.

And so is china booked up, there own need exceeds further than anyones order so mass production has to remain key. But just have a look at there New Vessels they are truly impressive and not lesser in design than any other wester Ship builders. and when they incorporate french onboard systems it makes those Ships very lethal.

Oh and your rite its the First Pic that you posted on this Thread which shows the Tail of the Ship thats f22p
Thnx alot Solid you have posted the Pick of the Serial 567 which is the Export eqv F22P model this one has the New Type 99 twin 100mm main gun featuring a stealth optimized turret

So what do you think about the Frigate!!!

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/displayimage.php?pid=2790&fullsize=1

[solid]

So what do you think about the Frigate!!!
I think this FFG has a good performance consider its low cost and just has 2250 tons. The best thing is the YJ83 antiship missile. (maybe the max range=180--200 km. It's my guess, for no one can sure about this. and you know, the C802's max range=130 km), and her weak point is the air defence system (including HHQ7 and twin 37mm gun). Maybe PN will use LY60 or other mid-range missile and American 20mm CIWS or AK630 instead of them.
BTW. the twin 100mm gun was just changed a shell.

YJ83 antiship missile: (this ship is 567)
http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/albums/userpics/20534403850.jpg
HHQ7 short range missile:
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/85229287630.jpg
twin 37mm gun:
http://armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/2004539591698.jpg
http://armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/20045395725921.jpg
twin 100mm gun:
http://armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/20045395825556.jpg
stealthy AK630:
http://www.cjdby.com/UploadFile/200442520523840087.jpg

[solid]

I do not feel Chinese Naval vessels are very hi-tech
I agree with you. they are just mid-tech.
I feel the South Korean are the most advance in hi-tech ship building nation. I saw on BBC World news on South Korea, they have pending orders from foreign buyers for over 400 vessels Merchant ships such as bulk cargo ships, oil tanks etc worth $80 billion., the South Korean shipyards are fully booked for the next 4 to 5 years.

Sorry for my bad English. If vessel means hull, chinese productions are hi-tech and some of them are very hi-tech. If vessel means the whole ship(including weapons and other sub-system etc.), chinese productions are mid-tech and some of them are hi-tech

[solid]

The helos are the Z9.... dont know about A2G capability though.. although the Sea Kings have the capability to launch AShup missiles.

A pic of the F22P model: (Source: Pakdef.info).

[Admin edit: please avoid linking from pakdef, i don't want their admin to spam us with email messages that we are somehow stealing their bandwidth. I hate annoying cry babies. Its way better to save the pic, upload it to the gallery here and in copyright field put "pakdef." That saves us the trouble of having to deal with incompetent admins of other websites. Thanks, enjoy!!!]

PS. the Type 21 hulls maybe getting on but the subsystems have been upgraded extensively and they are to continue serving in the PN until 2010 i think.

Oh, joker. I can't see the pic. Admin edited it. How it looks like? The pic is a CG or a model? Can you tell me the pic's address? thx!
I don't think Z-9 is a good ASW helicopter, for it's a light heli. Maybe police like to use them, but it's not fit for Navy to use. So PLAN will use Ka-28 instead of Z-9.
http://pic.top81.com.cn/pic.aspx?id=19915

[solid]

decoy launchers on type 053H3 FFG
http://armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/20045395756164.jpg
http://armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/2004550922205.JPG
http://www.cjdby.com/UploadFile/2004542181933055.jpg

chaff and flare launchers on type 053H3 FFG
http://www.cjdby.com/UploadFile/2004542431342964.jpg

[Revival_786]

Nice pics! :)

[adsH]

Solid i couldn't help noticing that you said the Frigates weight was around "2250 tons" but the pka navy admiral in his most recent Intreview said it was a 3000 ton ship. i am not sure but i think the Pak navy was interested in installing french made Sub systems in there naval platforms.

[solid]

Solid i couldn't help noticing that you said the Frigates weight was around "2250 tons" but the pka navy admiral in his most recent Intreview said it was a 3000 ton ship. i am not sure but i think the Pak navy was interested in installing french made Sub systems in there naval platforms.
The official introduction claims that the 053H3 FFG is a 2250 tons ship.(Maybe it's full tonnage.I'm not sure ,for the official introduction didn't mention this) . And chinese warships also use many French equipments.(Most of them are chinese copying or pirate version). For example, do you
notice the chaff and flare launchers on type 053H3 FFG (see the pic I posted). It's a copy of French production which used in La FAYETTE FFG(Dagaie MK2).
Consider the price, I think PN will purchase some chinese sub-systems.
This pic shows the details of 567. If you can read chinese, you will get more informations about 053H3 FFG's sub-systems.
http://pic.tiexue.net/origin/2004_5/2004_5_6_65909.jpg

[adsH]

Yes thanx for that piece of INformation Well my Chinese is as good as my German and it is safe to say i can't understand anything except recognise its german when some one speaks to me in German.

[Revival_786]

The ship looks nice and sleek :)

[P.A.F]

these ships should surve pakistan well.

[P.A.F]

china is kitting up pakistans navy so that they can carry out weekly excercises once the chinese move to the Gwadar port :)

[adsH]

china is kitting up pakistans navy so that they can carry out weekly excercises once the chinese move to the Gwadar port :)

Gwadar is an economical port for commerce!! it will still be few more years before New Docks are built to support chinese Navy Vessels for there Route in-wards in to the Gulf and the Arabian sea.

[joker]

Yes the F22Ps will most likely be fitted out with Chinese subsystems and weapons suite due to the unreliability when it comes to dealing with the US and UK and high costs with the French for example the UK followed suite when the US imposed the Pressler & Glenn amendments. Exception to UK imposed military sanctions was the continued supply of safety equipment for British origin assests in Pakistani service. But that exception was never came into force resulting in the PN having to ground their Lynx sqn. for considerable periods of time because the UK refused to supply safety equipment for the helos. After that debacle the PN have turned their sights to other more reliable suppliers i.e. the Chinese and thats why the Z9C has been selected to equip the F22P. The PN have evaluated it and like it.

[corsair7772]

Check this link out for the F-22. notice the frig was originally built 4 the PN. Wonder y they nvr delivered it. :?

http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/surface/jiangwei2.asp

[adsH]

Check this link out for the F-22. notice the frig was originally built 4 the PN. Wonder y they nvr delivered it. :?

http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/surface/jiangwei2.asp

Pakistan at that time had budgetary constraints and they were unable to provide a source of finance for the vessel!! Hard times appear to disappearing now!! :roll

[Revival_786]

How much do these babies cost? :?

[P.A.F]

pakistan are going to get a soft loan of china itself for these ships. don't know how much it costs though. :?

[CSS]

It is a prime time for Pakistan to acquire new frigates. The `good' neighbour seem introducing several new types of surface combatant vessel, so it is fair for Pakistan to balance out (eventhough, it still far from it). ;)

I hope after this, Pakistan will produce their own frigate as they now have the ability to produce submarine.
:)

[srirangan]

Pakistan need to acquire many modern sub's to counter the IN. Pakistan is far behind India and frigate ain't gonna give it strategic edge, sub's can and have troubled the IN in the past, that's where they ought to spend their money IMHO.

[adsH]

Pakistan need to acquire many modern sub's to counter the IN. Pakistan is far behind India and frigate ain't gonna give it strategic edge, sub's can and have troubled the IN in the past, that's where they ought to spend their money IMHO.

ah !! yeah i think they bought NEW subs with mesma Tech under TOT so those should-add to the sub fleet. the new sub is of the augusta 90 b class, 3 new inducted, i think they will build more of them soon. but there entire subs systems are brand new and are constantly upgraded, and i think They were talking about upgrading all there older subs with similar system so over all PAK navy Sub fleet still maintains an edge, i know they don't have nuke Subs but in a conflict between the two nations strike distance is irrelevant but quality is imperative, india's large array of subs are mostly old Kilos i think but they can or are upgraded. but the new scorpions Subs should be quite abit of an addition. paksitan most has frecnh augusta 90b i think 70b or 80b in the fleet with i think quite afew daphnies, all diesel propulsions, but i bet a better part of them have been upgraded.

[srirangan]

Yeah .. the Indians are getting the Scorpiones .. Plus there is an indeginous development programme too .. The IN has really matured over the last decade .. :)

[lalith prasad]

dont be so sure india is upgrading its kilos as of now 3 havebeen upgraded to type 636 level capable of firing klub anti shipping and antisumbmarine missiles and can also be used for land attack they have arange of 220kms indian company l and t has submitted a proposal yo the navy and defence ministry to manufacture the amurs in a joint venture with kirloskar engines india with tot frm russia facilities have already been set up at haldia however clearance has not yet been obtained the in desires to submarine production facilities there have also been reports that israel invited india to jointly develop subs to replace their dolphins and for the indian navy.nothing further is known about it also a team of indian scientists visited israel to discuss cooperation in the atv project according to a report in india defence 2 russuian akula 2 ssn will be acquired by india from russia on a10 year lease the first of these would arrive in 2006 .india is also developing its atv .

[adsH]

does israel have its own sub production i doubt that but they can work on internal systems but the bulk of production will come from Russians if they will give you the tech you have to remember that they have to keep there industry alive too!!. i know UK is is going to build RR ship propulsion production in india for cheap labour. so thats a pluss. but i doubt the new Killos can be as good as the future scorpions in the INdian fleet. the Pakistan augusta. these are brand new Higher depth vessels with better build quality. i know Augusta have MESMA tech in them so they have air independent prop so they can stay in a dive underwater hidden for about 60 days, they can fire excocest suface antiship missile from a depth. there entire sub-tactic systems are new. on bord computers are new all the sensors have been integrated for maximum situation awareness, the augusta was desinged to build on on its previous predecessors for stealthiness. and in the indian ocean it should be difficult to pinpoint a sub any way. the scorpion has every thing what the Augusta have as extra option like the mesma is standard on scopio where as the Pakistanis had to buy the tech after they made the Augusta purchase. the French neither the Russians would give you complete tech transfer becasue india has the potential to beat them at there own game so stop looking outward and start looking inword!! there is a difference between local assembly and local construction, Pak is now doing local construction of subs where as others usually only get local assembly.
i would say this and no one can disagree with me here, that Pakistan is considerably an INsignificant State in-terms of potential when you look at India, which aspires to become a super power, so i doubt INdia would be given complete TOT like Augusta Sub to Pak, Pak is a poor nation if france gets over a billion dollar for three subs from pakistan plus TOT its not a bad deal for france considering Pak will not have more cash to buy another sub for at-least couple of decades where as india has the ability to spend loads buying Subs or surface ships from france or Russia. INdia is a potencial arms super buyer, why would france or russia give away there tech to india. seems like a poor business decision to me.

[mysterious]

Exactly my friend adsh! I think you've hit the bulls-eye. :smokingc:

[gf0012-aust]

INdia is a potencial arms super buyer, why would france or russia give away there tech to india. seems like a poor business decision to me.


France is providing technology exchange on a number of projects (Air, Navy, battlefield tech). Indias deals with Russia are also based on tech development and transfer. (missiles, satellites, aerospace, naval, armoured)

They just aren't buying hardware, they're also developing the capability to finesse and develop their own. This is exactly the same as China's approach.

[mysterious]

Almost anyone sensible would do that. Pakistan has been and is doing that as well. Its just about comparing who is doing how much of it when they can afford it. :smokingc:

[adsH]

INdia is a potencial arms super buyer, why would france or russia give away there tech to india. seems like a poor business decision to me.


France is providing technology exchange on a number of projects (Air, Navy, battlefield tech). Indias deals with Russia are also based on tech development and transfer. (missiles, satellites, aerospace, naval, armoured)

They just aren't buying hardware, they're also developing the capability to finesse and develop their own. This is exactly the same as China's approach.

GF can you straight away tell me the Technology that russia is providing to INdia, will allow india to start its own Production, and i mean independent production of the same hardware, i doubt that is the case any business strategy dictates you can't sell the idea out to our potencial customer/Competitor. i can see why india got SU30 they paid for an assembly line and t-90 , and they (russia will continue to get R&D sum from INdia). When ever china has gotteen a piece to technology they have ended up copying it i doubt india would be able to do the same.

[gf0012-aust]

pick any service of the Indian Armed Forces, they all have russian equipment in production. where Russia makes its money is on support on maint.

that process has been in existence for 50+ years. Insia is a trusted client of India and as such gets preferred status.

[adsH]

pick any service of the Indian Armed Forces, they all have russian equipment in production. where Russia makes its money is on support on maint.

that process has been in existence for 50+ years. Insia is a trusted client of India and as such gets preferred status.

So your saying all the Part and sub components are in production at india for the equipments in use by the Indian armed forces, which were bought from Russia.

[gf0012-aust]

pick any service of the Indian Armed Forces, they all have russian equipment in production. where Russia makes its money is on support on maint.

that process has been in existence for 50+ years. Insia is a trusted client of India and as such gets preferred status.

So your saying all the Part and sub components are in production at india for the equipments in use by the Indian armed forces, which were bought from Russia.

I think you and I are having a comms problem. I was referring to the fact that India builds some russian equipment under license and does that across the 3 services and for various platforms and technologies. I didn't mention subs.

However, their intent is to build modified SSBN's of the Charlie Class. The whole purpose of leasing the Akula before was to develop skills and comprehend handling issues etc in a significantly larger vessel.