Malaysia may buy rocket launchers from Pakistan

[The Watcher]

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Malaysia may buy rocket launchers from Pakistan

SUBANG : Malaysia may purchase rockets and rocket launchers from Pakistan.

Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) Director of Exports Khawar Nawaz said Malaysia had expressed interest in buying the weapons, and discussions are ongoing.

Mr Nawaz was speaking to Bernama news agency at the ongoing 9th Defence Services Asia 2004 (DSA 2004) exhibition in Subang on Wednesday.

"They are negotiating the delivery and terms of payment. However, the volume is not known," he said.

He disclosed that Pakistan had also offered to sell small arms, especially MP5 sub-machine guns, to Malaysia.

Before this, Malaysia had bought 25,700 high explosive anti-tank (Heat) rockets from Pakistan.

Mr Nawaz said Pakistan was already collaborating with Malaysia's SME Ordnance Sdn Bhd in the area of supplying semi-finished ammunition and raw materials for the manufacture of ammunition and hand grenades.

"We have also offered them and the Malaysian Armed Forces specific training in armament production and quality control. We are keen to expand our collaboration," he said. - CNA

[Revival_786]

Awesome... what type of rocket launchers are they? Do they have a name? :P

[Awang se]

RPG-7

[adsH]

RPG-7
those are advance guided ones right why does every thing have to be bench markect with Russian equipment!!

[Awang se]

Actually Malaysia already purchase Baktar Shikan, 5000m range ATGM.
The purchas of RPG came after Malaysian military strategis was impressed by the effectiveness of this weapons in the hand of the Guerilla in afghanistan and recently in Iraq. This purchase was to fulfilled Malaysian need to equip it's troop with low cost and simple but effective AT weapons to it's troops.

[adsH]

Actually Malaysia already purchase Baktar Shikan, 5000m range ATGM.
The purchas of RPG came after Malaysian military strategis was impressed by the effectiveness of this weapons in the hand of the Guerilla in afghanistan and recently in Iraq. This purchase was to fulfilled Malaysian need to equip it's troop with low cost and simple but effective AT weapons to it's troops.
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seams like a good enough reason to me cheap and effective

[lamdacore]

how effective is the Baktar Shikan compared to the RPG-7 and other anti-tank weapons?

[Awang se]

Baktar Shikan is a guided weapon so you can expect a vast advantages this weapon have over RPG-7and any other unguided rockets. It's range alone makes RPG look like a toy. I'm not even mention the accuracy over range, level of technology involved and many other things.

[Airplane]

Yeah but you could still blow up couple of soilders with it

[mysterious]

After all, two Black Hawks in Mogadishu were brought down by RPGs. You just need someone with a good sight and aim, leave the rest to the RPG. ;)

[ashoaib]

Good, Malaysia buy as many as you can.

[Salman78]

These must be MLRS. Cheap and effective and POF makes a lot of them. I dont think they are called RPG-7.

[mysterious]

MLRs? Are you kidding me? Pakistan does 'not' make MLRs by friend. Its too much of a complicated thing to come to terms with, at least for now! Its the RPG-7 only as pointed out by everyone. Its the Rocket Propelled-Grenade to make it clear. Its quite effective if the person using it has a good aim and firing ability.

[ashoaib]

What are MLRs? Myst.....

[gf0012-aust]

What are MLRs? Myst.....

Multiple Launch Rocket Systems

If you wait long enough someone will post a pic.

[Salman78]

MLRs? Are you kidding me? Pakistan does 'not' make MLRs by friend. Its too much of a complicated thing to come to terms with, at least for now! Its the RPG-7 only as pointed out by everyone. Its the Rocket Propelled-Grenade to make it clear. Its quite effective if the person using it has a good aim and firing ability.

Pakistan 'Does' make MLRS. Its the Dr A Q Khan Research Laboratories 122 mm (30-round) system. It has some local name too which i cant remember. It has also been paraded on the 23rd Marach display. Its not a high tech thing and not complicated at all.

Why would malaysia be buying RPG's from pakistan as they r so openly available. I bet a lot of ppl in 'darra" area can make them.

[Salman78]

"Malaysian Army has taken delivery of the first consignment of high explosive anti-tank (HEAT) rockets from Pakistan in June this year. The consignment of 12,700 40mm HEAT rockets is part of Malaysia’s order of 25,700 rockets from Pakistan. The second delivery of 13,000 HEAT rockets is being made this month (September). Also remember that last year Malaysia decided to buy a weapon system and missiles worth some RM80 million (US$21.05 million) from Pakistan. Malaysia ordered two types of missiles – Baktar Shikan and Anza MkII. Both the Baktar Shikan and Anza MkII were part of a RM446 million weaponry purchase package from Pakistan"

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_4.shtml

so i did my homework and found out that those were NOT RPG's at all as i had always suspected. Calling these HEAT tank rounds 'rockets' is wrong in the first place. They have a specific name for this purpose.

Another mistake i noticed is that they cant be 40 mm. should be anywhere from 100 to 130 mm...

whose kidding now ??? :smokingc:

[mysterious]

My friend you have confused 'two' separate news as being one! Bakhtar Shikans and Anzas are old story now!! They have been delivered and the deal is done on those heat seekers. The RPG-7 deal is 'another separate' deal which is different from the Bakhtar Shikan and Anza deal. RPG-7 deal was signed after the Malaysians were impressed by the Pakistani improvement on the basic RPG and the general performance of RPGs as a low-cost, good accuracy and destruction type weapon in the Afghan wars as well as others. Bakhtar Shikan as an Anti-Tank Guided Missile while Anza Mk-II (I think) is the shoulder fired SAM for low-flying objects/intruders. RPG-7 is of course neither of the two as it is a Rocket Propelled Grenade and is part of a 'different' deal which was concluded 'after' the Bakhtar Shikan and Anza deal was completed. Hope I got my message across properly. :smokingc:

[yasin_khan]

Friends thats good news.
first they bought Anza MK1 and MK2.
second they bought Baktar Shikan.
and now RPG-7 .They were also interested in Al-Khalid MBT.I think they will buy lots of stuff in comming years like small arms,anti tank missiles,tanks etc bcoz our things are effective and cheap. :)

[Awang se]

I suspected the RPG-7 is for para brigade.

MINDEF did mention it's intention to purchase another type of tank other than PT-91M to complete a tank regiment or maybe a tank brigade. They yet to specified the type.

[Salman78]

Friends thats good news.
first they bought Anza MK1 and MK2.
second they bought Baktar Shikan.
and now RPG-7 .They were also interested in Al-Khalid MBT.I think they will buy lots of stuff in comming years like small arms,anti tank missiles,tanks etc bcoz our things are effective and cheap. :)


I wish other muslim countries would follow the example of Malaysia and purchase weapons from other brotherly muslim countries. atleast the basic stuff and from here the basis for combined production and technology transfer can take place. malaysia has good relationship with US and could have easily bought this stuff from any other bidder.

[mysterious]

Well, to add a bit more knowledge here; the US and other developed countries (like France) are already buying small amunitions and equipment from Pakistan. Apparently, the US is running low on its stocks of bullets, guns, grenades, etc so Pakistan is making some hard cash on the sale of those at the moment.

Awang Se, any hints from the Malaysian side that the new tank regiment would be equipped with Pakistan Al-Khalids? I believe I heard that news a while back from somewhere but am not too sure as to how much substance it holds.

[Awang se]

Not yet that i know. If they did, maybe only selected few high ranking government and military officers. A Captain like myself might know it a week before it hit the headlines.

[blain2]

The latest Malaysian deal with Pakistan has nothing to do with RPG-7s. The Malaysians have been working on testing and qualifying the Pakistani Baktar Shikan ATGW for a while (Pakistan has the same config albeit on M113s). They finally decided to go ahead with this purchase. In the past they have bought the same weapon system although in different configuration.

Malaysia accepts Pakistani ATGW
Malaysia has taken delivery of its Armoured Combat Vehicle (ACV) 300-series tracked armoured vehicles fitted with the Pakistani Baktar Shikan anti-tank guided weapon (ATGW). A contract was placed in late 2000 with FNSS Savunma Sistemleri of Turkey for 211 ACV 300 vehicles in 10 configurations.

http://jdw.janes.com/

[Awang se]

I'm not aware about the Bakthar Shikan was fitted for ACV-300. I thought it was rejected. what i know, Bakthar Shikan will be mounted on top of locally made 4x4 vehicles. Guess my source screwed up.

[zamrijf50]

fyi...both the contracts have been fulfill and both the anza ,bakhtiar shikan and the rpg 7 are in service...and this contract was before the DSA 2004 and it was also mentioned of a weapon system being bought ...and this has been a mystery till now.what weapon system was it and whther it has been delivered yet....??? this could means that msia bought from pak anza and bakhtiar shikan missile system ,rpg 7 and a weapon system...and it was suggested that it could have been a tactical missile system produced by pak
and it was a hush2 contract

as for the 2004 announcement on msia interest in acquiring pak rockets could have been a missile system as msia has recently made a statement on acquiring missile technology and rockets tech too.

msia does not announced all of her weaponary purchases.esp those deemed tactical in nature.... :roll

[mysterious]

As far as I know, ATGWs and RPG-7s have been sold to Malaysia and all of the requested amount has been delivered. :smokingc:

[Awang se]

Yep! along with the Russian IGLA and METIS-M.

[nanotaku]

I just hope for Malaysia would purchase the Al-Khalid in big numbers soon.
And hopefully they will announce the MLRS/Tactical Missile program soon. :alian2

[lipanlapan]

The latest Malaysian deal with Pakistan has nothing to do with RPG-7s. The Malaysians have been working on testing and qualifying the Pakistani Baktar Shikan ATGW for a while (Pakistan has the same config albeit on M113s). They finally decided to go ahead with this purchase. In the past they have bought the same weapon system although in different configuration.

Malaysia accepts Pakistani ATGW
Malaysia has taken delivery of its Armoured Combat Vehicle (ACV) 300-series tracked armoured vehicles fitted with the Pakistani Baktar Shikan anti-tank guided weapon (ATGW). A contract was placed in late 2000 with FNSS Savunma Sistemleri of Turkey for 211 ACV 300 vehicles in 10 configurations.

http://jdw.janes.com/



I'm not aware about the Bakthar Shikan was fitted for ACV-300. I thought it was rejected. what i know, Bakthar Shikan will be mounted on top of locally made 4x4 vehicles. Guess my source screwed up.

This one, I suppose? ;) http://images.snapfish.com/33%3B7696%3B23232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E2335%3D55%3A%3D844 %3DXROQDF%3E23235%3C663%3B355ot1lsi

[mysterious]

Looks pretty much like a Bakhtar-Shikan mounted on that thing! :smokingc:

[Awang se]

look like you scan it from a magazine or newspaper. What kind of magazine and in what issue.

[Paxter]

Urm... malaysia already has MLRS its the astros II from brazil... the rpgs are for its wataniah units... basicly their 3rd line and cannon fodder... the MBT from pakistan was an option and no they went for some polish tanks instead... not everything malaysia buys must come from pakistan you know.....

[zamrijf50]

does anybody knows of any new collabaration between pak and msia as regarding misiile and rocket tech...it is known that msia is pursuing such technology and had a collobaration with bosnia on development of a MLRS system...

the sending of former ARMY chief as a special ambassador to pak seems to hilite the possibility of a secretive project between pak and msia.and it was aknown fact that msia troops went to pakistan for winter and mountain warfare training in the early 90s and maybe even now.

i would suspect that the rocket could be a down graded HATF-1?????

[kubai02]

Urm... malaysia already has MLRS its the astros II from brazil... the rpgs are for its wataniah units... basicly their 3rd line and cannon fodder... the MBT from pakistan was an option and no they went for some polish tanks instead... not everything malaysia buys must come from pakistan you know.....

I read an article that the RPG7s are already operational with the para units and also the standard infantry batalions. Wataniah (territorial army) probably will be provided with the Carl Gustaf M2s. Typically the TAs get the "pass-me-downs" from the army. Note that they are still using the M16s; not the Steyr yet.

Yep.. malaysia buys from a lot of sources... not putting everything in one basket. I believe malaysia should buy more of those French Eryx - minimal back-blast. Good for urban fighting and jungle usage.