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Awang se
March 1st, 2004, 04:01 AM
Weapons of the Future
By Weapons of the Future - Weather, Plasma and Money



The perspective planning department is a top secret structure in the US Defense Department, which deals with the development of weapons of the future. There are such departments in the Russian Defense Ministry of course, as well as in other military departments of other countries. Needless to mention that all those developments make a state secret.

The question of weapons of the future is actual not only for military men, but for all people living on the planet. Experts of the Phenomenon commission made a forecast of the future weapons. The forecast was solely based on various publications in the press.

The first question about the military future of humanity is definitely connected with wars. One may not say that there will be absolutely no wars in the future. According to scientific calculations, about 15,000 wars have taken place on the planet during the recent 5,5 thousand years. More than 3.5 billion people have been killed in the wars. There were only 292 peaceful years in the entire history of the mankind. There is no reason to believe that something will change in the future. The human civilization is based on aggressiveness and war. Huge funds have been spent on armies and defense industries - the inseparable part of the modern economy of any country. Unfortunately, the situation will be preserved in the 21st century too.

According to experts' estimates, a global war is likely to happen in the future as well - it will be 30 percent likely to occur. In addition to nuclear, chemical, biological weapons, there will be more sophisticated weapons of mass destruction used - they are currently being developed in secret laboratories.

It has recently transpired that Russian scientists are working on the so-called plasma weapon. Academician Avramenko says, the plasma weapon will be capable of repulsing air and even space attacks. The controllable bunch of power created with the help of powerful ground lasers can destroy any aircraft and any missile when it approaches a defended area. It is a horrible weapon, although it has several disadvantages too. Ground generators can be easily detected and then destroyed. Probably, people will use autonomous and solar weapons in the future. The solar weapon was used already in the III century B.C. when Greek mathematician Archimedes burnt the Roman fleet with the help of mirrors and the sun. Unfortunately, such weapon stops working in bad weather. However, mirrors can be taken to space to avoid the weather problem. The temperature in the center of the focused solar current can reach thousands of degrees. Such a powerful ray can reach the ground from space through thick layer of clouds. This weapon will be capable of melting and burning any target. However, this weapon has a rather big disadvantage: it destroys everything on a large area around the target, like an A-bomb. A winner does not need the burnt barren land. A neutron bomb is a lot better in this respect, because it kills every living being, but non-living objects remain intact. Yet, there is no use of a town if there are no people there. Genetic poison will probably be used in the future as the most optimal variant to destroy a part of the population, even a certain specific part. Each human race has an individual genetic code. Genetic differences may lay the ground of the genetic weapon. It will be possible to create genetic viruses to exterminate a certain group of people on the planet.

Terrorism of the 21st century will enter the new technological level too. As it is well known, spy satellites can read the title of a newspaper on the ground. A laser of a killer satellite can destroy any target on the Earth's surface, which is rather convenient for large terrorist acts - it will not be possible to identify the "nation" of the satellite, because a laser can be shot from any location in space filled with other countries' satellites.

New discoveries and technologies will be gradually coming out of secret laboratories. Most probable weapons of the future include:

Bioelectronical weapon. Professor G.Bogdanov patented the generator to fight termites. The generator's radiation kills insects paralyzing their nerve system. One shall assume, a certain frequency of the appliance can kill people too.

Meteorological weapon. It is possible to make specified weather on a specified territory changing the electric charge of the air. Hard rains, droughts, blizzards can cause a very serious damage to an enemy. It is known that Russian scientists were working in the field of the meteorological war in the city of Obninsk.

Tectonic weapon. Artificial earthquakes will probably be used in the future as a weapon to level cities and towns. Military departments of Russia and the USA strongly reject such a possibility at present. However, Professor E. Kerimov of the Earth Physics Institute believes that scheduled natural disasters are quite real. Yet, official departments reject the existence of all above-mentioned weapons.

It is not ruled out that the wars of the future will be taking place without the explicit use of weapons. A disastrous nuclear explosion is very effective, but other methods are very efficient too, when enemies do not realize they are being attacked. Manifestations of such wars can already be seen in modern times. The capitalist and the communist superpowers have been struggling for decades without the use of their huge military potentials. As a result of the opposition, the communist superpower was destroyed. Soviet people perceived the break up of the USSR as a liberation, although the country was virtually defeated in the economic war. It is the economic war that allows to conquer other states one after another. However, Russia has not been conquered yet, because the Russian economy has not been added to the economy of the winner. Money will probably be the major weapon of the 21st century.

Let's imagine that a country is waging war against an enemy, using tectonic and meteorological weapons: an earthquake is followed with hard rains and draughts. An enemy will most likely ask for help after such a powerful impact. It will be the best moment to use the power of money.

The weapons of the future will be a lot more efficient than the nuclear weapon. It does not matter, if they are going to be used as the prime or the extra weapon in a war - people will suffer and die anyway. The weapons of the new technologies pose a great danger to life on planet Earth. All present developments and research works must be strictly controlled by the state and by the society. A victory in a war is good for the government of the winning state, first and foremost. Common people have to survive a disastrous tragedy for a victory.

As experience shows, all anomalous or inexplicable phenomena are hidden from the public eye. Such a policy is understandable, because secret or unexplored knowledge can be used for someone's selfish needs. On the other hand, concealing or misrepresenting facts, separating science into "official" and "unofficial" categories is extremely dangerous for the whole humanity. Science helps people find answers to questions, it is not meant to incite wars and hostilities



Source:Ocnus.net 2004


I place my money on plasma weapons. If u have any other article related to the topic, please share it.




Kolonel
March 1st, 2004, 04:23 AM
Off Topic

Awang from KL??.

virtual
March 1st, 2004, 12:01 PM
Interesting topic Awang and as there is no prove available for these technologies i wud prefer that we make logic here by discussing that whether such technology are possible to attain.We can all help each other and make a conclusion here to decide its possible or not and if yes then who will it work.What u people say ;)
I am ready.

adil
March 2nd, 2004, 06:45 PM
i would like to know which countries have sonic weapons in their arsenals.dont even know if they exist really! but i think they could be very potent if they are developed and refined. :smokingc:

Red aRRow
March 2nd, 2004, 07:19 PM
Merging

adil
March 2nd, 2004, 07:24 PM
thnx shamayel!

gf0012-aust
March 2nd, 2004, 08:51 PM
i would like to know which countries have sonic weapons in their arsenals.dont even know if they exist really! but i think they could be very potent if they are developed and refined. :smokingc:

The US has been trialling sonic disruptors since 911. There are a number of acoustic weapons that have been given CTD status.

Red aRRow
March 3rd, 2004, 07:20 AM
Troops in Iraq Get High-Tech Noisemaker
Tue Mar 2, 8:38 PM ET


By MICHAEL P. REGAN, Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK - U.S. soldiers in Iraq have new gear for dispersing hostile crowds and warding off potential enemy combatants. It blasts earsplitting noise in a directed beam.


The equipment, called a Long Range Acoustic Device, or LRAD, is a so-called "non-lethal weapon" developed after the 2000 attack on the USS Cole off Yemen as a way to keep operators of small boats from approaching U.S. warships.


The devices have been used on some U.S. ships since last summer as part of a suite of protection measures.


Now, the Army and Marines have added this auditory barrage dispenser to their arms ensembles. Troops in Fallujah, a center of insurgency west of Baghdad, and other areas of central Iraq in particular often deal with crowds in which lethal foes intermingle with non-hostile civilians.


The developer of the LRAD, American Technology Corp. of San Diego, recently got a $1.1 million contract from the U.S. Marine Corps to buy the gadgets for units deployed to Iraq. The Army also sent LRADs to Iraq to test on vehicles.


Some of the Iraq-bound devices will be used by members of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force and the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, both recently deployed to the western province of Al Anbar, a largely barren, predominantly Sunni Muslim area.


Though not officially part of the military's Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate, the 45-pound, dish-shaped device belongs to a developing arsenal of technologies intended not to kill but to deter.


Another such weapon, expected to be tested in the field soon, is the Active Denial System. It seeks to repel enemies with a painful energy beam.


Carl Gruenler, vice president of military and government operations for American Technology Corp., said LRADs are "in the beginnings of being used in Baghdad," though he said he lacked "initial feedback" on how they are working.


Dubbed "The Sound of Force Protection" in a company brochure, the devices can broadcast sound files containing warning messages. Or they can be used with electronic translating devices for what amounts to "narrowcasting."


If crowds or potential foes don't respond to the verbal messages, the sonic weapon, which measures 33 inches in diameter, can direct a high-pitched, piercing tone with a tight beam. Neither the LRAD's operators or others in the immediate area are affected.


The devices "place distance between the Marine and their threat, giving him/her more time to sort out a measured and appropriate response," Lt. Col. Susan Noel, force protection officer for the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, said in an ATC statement announcing the contract.


Gruenler compares the LRAD's shrill tone to that of smoke detectors, only much louder. It can be as loud as about 150 decibels; smoke detectors are in the 80 to 90 decibel range.


"Inside 100 yards, you definitely don't want to be there," said Gruenler, adding that the device is recommended for a range of 300 yards or less.


Hearing experts say sound that loud and of that high a frequency — about 2,100 to 3,100 hertz — could be dangerous if someone were exposed to it long enough.


"That's a sensitive region for developing hearing loss," said Richard Salvi, director of the Center for Hearing and Deafness at the University at Buffalo. "The longer the duration, the more serious it is."


Gruenler concedes that permanent hearing damage is possible if someone were exposed to the sound for lengthy periods.





But he said the high-pitched tone is intended to only be used for a few seconds at a time.


LINK (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=528&e=2&u=/ap/20040303/ap_on_re_mi_ea/sonic_weapon)

gf0012-aust
March 3rd, 2004, 07:54 AM
The US has also been using a green laser which induces nausea and balance problems. It basically will stop people completely in their tracks.

adil
March 6th, 2004, 06:58 PM
are rail guns common in armies around the world? :help

gf0012-aust
March 6th, 2004, 08:50 PM
are rail guns common in armies around the world? :help

No, they are still under development. Mainly by the US and UK. It wouldn't surprise me if the Russians, French and Israeli's were also working on solutions though.

mutter nutter
March 8th, 2004, 09:17 AM
I believe the Americans are looking at putting a railgun in a future tank design in around 2015 all going well

Snakecharmer
March 11th, 2004, 06:05 PM
God I hope the wars of the future will be low-intensity...with so many advanced weapons out there, a conflict on the scale of WW2 will be devasting

adil
March 12th, 2004, 05:33 PM
Has anyone seen 'die another day'? one of them big mirrored sattelites that focus the suns energy into a relatively small point on the earth could be good, probably my imagination running wild..... :alian2

Awang se
March 15th, 2004, 03:15 AM
The US has also been using a green laser which induces nausea and balance problems. It basically will stop people completely in their tracks.

I think the russia installed this laser on their satellite to detect subs.

gf0012-aust
March 15th, 2004, 03:36 AM
The US has also been using a green laser which induces nausea and balance problems. It basically will stop people completely in their tracks.

I think the russia installed this laser on their satellite to detect subs.

Lasers that need to penetrate water are a different colour, and there are some restrictions on top of that.

rossfrb_1
December 8th, 2005, 10:27 PM
Just to throw something a little different into the melting pot regards future weapons.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17509560%255E31477,00.html

" John Kerin
December 09, 2005

AN Australian company has developed a "recoil-less" rifle that overcomes the centuries-old danger of kickback.

The breakthrough could lead to the development of a new generation of lightweight weapons - from pistols, rifles and heavy artillery - that are faster, more powerful and more efficient and accurate. Richard Giza, executive chairman of Melbourne-based Recoilless Technologies International, said last night the recoil or kickback of a gun had always been a big drawback, not only making a weapon more cumbersome but also more dangerous.
Australian defence scientists are understood to be keenly interested in the new technology, which could be used by the Australian Defence Force and lead to lucrative exports to Australia's allies.
Although details of the new technology remain top secret, the new rifle barrel "splits" dissipating energy in both directions rather than just backwards, as is the case in existing guns.
Mr Giza said it was expected the technology could be applied to a range of ballistic weapons, including pistols, rifles, field artillery and naval guns.
"This provides a cost-effective and practical way of eliminating recoil for the first time," Mr Giza said.
"The potential is not limited to ballistic weapons ... it's also hoped it can be applied to high-powered industrial tools (such as nail-guns), making manufacturing, construction and engineering much safer."
Ross Babbage, a leading defence expert who has seen the rifle in action, said the technology had the potential to make "many weapons more accurate, lighter, faster and far more effective in the field".
"It shows that relatively simple, practical and lightweight adaptations to conventional weapons designs can remove recoil completely," he said.
"It also promises to make operating weapons and industrial tools far safer ... eliminating injuries traditionally associated with recoil.
"It represents a revolutionary breakthrough that should provide Australia and its closest allies with a considerable advantage on the battlefield."
Professor Babbage said a prototype rifle had been tested in Melbourne but the technology was being kept under wraps.
Adam Vella, Commonwealth and Olympic Games shooting medallist and director of Recoilless Technologies International, will talk about the impact of recoilless guns on competition shooting at the Frankston-Australian Gun Club in Melbourne on Monday. "

kashifshahzad
December 9th, 2005, 05:39 AM
I have heard that it is difficult to hit a target with a Rivolver(or a Pistol) when the target is located only 10-20 feet away ( Target is a small thing not a human or an animal ).
I know there is a gun which is being made in Pakistan with the colabration of China which when fires a bullet,the bullet rotates at its axis and also rotates in a circle.The purpose of whole this is that the target is missed rarely and the wound which it makes is deadly

aaaditya
December 9th, 2005, 05:46 AM
Two other types of weapons that we cannot ignore in the future are the electro magnetic impulse weapons which can be used to take out enemy's electonic equipment.russia already has working models of these in the form of two bombs known as ranet-e and rosa-e,other countries carrying out research and development of these weapons are usa,israel,sweden and india(dont know about china).

Another type is the unmanned ground vehicle ,which can be used to :
1)detect and clear minefields.
2)carry out reconnaisance.
3)anti terrorist operations.
4)riot control operations etc.

currently india,usa and israel have the working models of these systems(the us-israeli ugv is considered to be the best in this field,while the indian system has been cleared by the indian army and is ready for induction though its capability are still being expanded.)

Third is mems(micro electro mechanical systems) these can be used primarily micro uav's and ucav's(israel is considered to be the leader in this field).

but one thing is for sure wars in the future will be realy exciting(from a technological point of view-like the terminator movies).

LouDobb
March 29th, 2007, 07:29 PM
Look for a US military document titled:
"Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025"


"US aerospace forces can "own the weather," as they "own the night" now."
"It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes."
"Though a high-risk effort, the investment to do so would pay high rewards."
"Weather modification offers both the commercial sector and the military greatly enhanced capabilities."
"Its application in the military arena is a natural development as well. Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally"
"The ability to generate precipitation, fog, and storms on earth or to modify space weather, and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of technologies to achieve global awareness, reach, and power."
"For this to occur, technology advancements in five major areas are necessary. These are advanced nonlinear modeling techniques, computational capability, information gathering and transmission, a global sensor array, and weather intervention techniques. All of these will be greatly enhanced as we approach 2025. Current demographic, economic, and environmental trends will create global stresses that create the necessary impetus for weather modification to become a reality in the commercial sector. Its application in the military arena is a natural development as well. Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally, through alliance networks—particularly regional ones—or through an ad hoc coalition or a UN framework. It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes. The ability to generate precipitation, fog, and storms on earth or to modify space weather, improve communications through ionospheric modification (the use of ionospheric mirrors), and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of technologies which can provide substantial increase in US, or degraded capability in an adversary, to achieve global awareness, reach, and power. Weather modification will be a part of 2025 and is an area in which the US must invest if only to be able to counter adversaries seeking such a capability."

Systems Adict
March 30th, 2007, 06:16 PM
I believe the Americans are looking at putting a railgun in a future tank design in around 2015 all going well

I've seen mention of rail guns for military use, but to date the only place they've existed is within the realms of the video game "half-life".

If you do a search within Wikipedia, there's a paragraph or two on them there.

Following reading the article, it becomes apparent that rail guns consume huge amounts of electrical energy in the process of creating their "projectile".

From this fact, it can logically be deduced that the most obvious position of use for them is either as a static defense weapon, located close to an easily consumable power supply, or at sea on a ship with the ability to divert all electrical power for the use of the gun (almost instantly indicating that it would be fed from a nuclear reactor/power supply).

From the lack of detail regarding their development across the web, I think it's reasonably safe to say that while the technology is feasable, putting it into development for practical use is probably 10 - 15 years away at the earliest.

Comments ???

Systems Adict

DoC_FouALieR
March 30th, 2007, 07:09 PM
I've seen mention of rail guns for military use, but to date the only place they've existed is within the realms of the video game "half-life".
I'm sorry, but railguns are within the Quake serie, not Half-Life. =)

Systems Adict
March 30th, 2007, 08:45 PM
DOH !!

...That's what lack of sleep & 19 hour days do to your brain, confuse subject matter !!

Thanks for the correction.
:nutkick



Systems Adict

eckherl
April 16th, 2007, 11:54 AM
I believe the Americans are looking at putting a railgun in a future tank design in around 2015 all going well

We could but won`t due to the cost and energy power pack issue, we will go to a 140mm main gun first.

eaf-f16
May 7th, 2007, 12:50 PM
so what US has one thats on a plane and flies. its called the airborne laser its expected to be in service around 2025

ahussains
May 7th, 2007, 03:26 PM
I have heard that it is difficult to hit a target with a Rivolver(or a Pistol) when the target is located only 10-20 feet away ( Target is a small thing not a human or an animal ).
I know there is a gun which is being made in Pakistan with the colabration of China which when fires a bullet,the bullet rotates at its axis and also rotates in a circle.The purpose of whole this is that the target is missed rarely and the wound which it makes is deadly


Have some source of such type of Gun ?

Its Intresting

knightz33
May 15th, 2007, 10:08 AM
Well, as for future weapons, i think theres a research recently done by the Americans for laser guns ...heres the link...http://www.janes.com/security/law_enforcement/news/jdw/jdw051125_2_n.shtml

metro
May 16th, 2007, 06:28 AM
The US has also been using a green laser which induces nausea and balance problems. It basically will stop people completely in their tracks.

Yeah, these things exist at a production level, and work well. If someone is driving a little to fast, even at a distance, (rifle mounted), one can just aim at the windshield for a second and the driver will temporarly lose his vision... if the car continues, aim for a few seconds and the person won't be able to see for hours.
The problem is that I think they cost $8,000/pc. and the DOD doen't want to equip the troops with, "expensive, unproven technology."

Sophisticated argument. Never buy it, and it will remain unproven technology.:confused:

eckherl
May 16th, 2007, 01:41 PM
Yeah, these things exist at a production level, and work well. If someone is driving a little to fast, even at a distance, (rifle mounted), one can just aim at the windshield for a second and the driver will temporarly lose his vision... if the car continues, aim for a few seconds and the person won't be able to see for hours.
The problem is that I think they cost $8,000/pc. and the DOD doen't want to equip the troops with, "expensive, unproven technology."

Sophisticated argument. Never buy it, and it will remain unproven technology.:confused:

It may not be the cost, but the simple issue of your enemy opponent having access to filtered lenses on FCS optics, riflle scopes, binos and individual soldiers wearing filtered safety glasses.

metro
May 18th, 2007, 05:44 AM
It may not be the cost, but the simple issue of your enemy opponent having access to filtered lenses on FCS optics, riflle scopes, binos and individual soldiers wearing filtered safety glasses.

That's definitely true. I wouldn't have one for each CF in Iraq, but I'd highly consider having limited numbers to give to those who are manning checkpoints--especially since it sounds like we're now using just a few people for that role (missing soldiers).
Plus, I think Iraqis wearing termenator looking glasses, might be a give away.

metro
May 18th, 2007, 05:52 AM
This is pretty interesting too. I've seen the "electric bullet" in a totally different form, but this could be a scary weapon. I'd imagine it's not difficult to adjust the settings on this thing, so a person using it could just make a person's heart stop...

http://www.defense-update.com/products/l/LEKTROX.htm

BRAVE
May 18th, 2007, 07:45 AM
The situation is alarming.To ensure we don't wipe out the whole human race with our new weapons,I think this is what we should do:

Establish a World Army comprising of all the armies of the world(USA,Israel,Pakistan,Russia,Britain,Australia ,Iraq...etc).
This army should be united and have a common cause.In effect ,all the artillery,cavalry,coded technologies and "record breaking" weapons of mass detruction being developed by different nations and their defence budgets are merged.

Results: no more secrets between nations
Iran's nuclear programme becomes a world's favourite
Soldiers have the opportunity of serving in other nations
more peace in the world
we give terrorists a hard time

I guess I'm one big wishful thinker.

eckherl
May 19th, 2007, 09:56 AM
The situation is alarming.To ensure we don't wipe out the whole human race with our new weapons,I think this is what we should do:

Establish a World Army comprising of all the armies of the world(USA,Israel,Pakistan,Russia,Britain,Australia ,Iraq...etc).
This army should be united and have a common cause.In effect ,all the artillery,cavalry,coded technologies and "record breaking" weapons of mass detruction being developed by different nations and their defence budgets are merged.

Results: no more secrets between nations
Iran's nuclear programme becomes a world's favourite
Soldiers have the opportunity of serving in other nations
more peace in the world
we give terrorists a hard time

I guess I'm one big wishful thinker.

Nope, you are not one big wishful thinker:

After we blow the sh_t out of each other who ever is left will be walking hand to hand naked as a jay bird singing we are the world we are the people.

augreich
June 2nd, 2007, 03:55 AM
Unfortunately, war is the best catalyst for technological innovation.

Remember, up until recently the average time between idea and implementation was ten years. That is ten years of secrecy before it officially exists!
Technological advances are happening in leaps and bounds in our presence.
With that, just imagine what our true capabilities are right now and what's on the drawing board in the BLACK PROJECTS divisions of any number of departments across the world!
The possibilities are mind boggling.

metro
June 2nd, 2007, 09:08 PM
Unfortunately, war is the best catalyst for technological innovation.

Remember, up until recently the average time between idea and implementation was ten years. That is ten years of secrecy before it officially exists!
Technological advances are happening in leaps and bounds in our presence.
With that, just imagine what our true capabilities are right now and what's on the drawing board in the BLACK PROJECTS divisions of any number of departments across the world!
The possibilities are mind boggling.

Yes, this is very true. There are two good books I've read (Many more are out there--of coarse-- "The History of Science and Warfare" (Something like that) and "The 'S' Curve--From 'I'vention to 'I'nnovation." The former deals with (an details) how almost everything throughout time, that has led to technological advances has stemmed from a "Function of the Military." The latter deals with the concept of the "'S' Curve" (i.e. the time it takes from Invention to Innovation [Hense, the shape of the "Letter 'S'"!]) and the factors that are involved.

Ozzy Blizzard
June 6th, 2007, 11:09 AM
Any ideas on future small arms developments, i mean beyond CIWS. Is there any plans/R&D going into DE based personal weapons systems???

Systems Adict
June 6th, 2007, 05:45 PM
Is there any plans/R&D going into DE based personal weapons systems???

By DE, do you mean Depleted Uranium ??

Since 2000 / 2001 this has been pretty much banned from use, because it's impact on the environment (after all it is derived from uranium !), as well as fears for lawsuits from ex-service personnel.

Based on that I would say that it's pretty much a dead duck.


Systems Adict

augreich
June 6th, 2007, 08:23 PM
Are talking about the Close In Weapons System that uses depleted uranium bullets?

augreich
June 6th, 2007, 08:30 PM
To my knowledge, the CIWS system and the A-10 Thunderbolt still use the depleted uranium projectiles because of thier ability to penetrate thick armor.
Just like the conical shaped copper element used in anti-tank missiles and in F.I.E.D's etc. it turns into a molten mass that penetrates armor very effectively.

Ozzy Blizzard
June 6th, 2007, 10:44 PM
Sorry guys i should have been more clear. I meant directed energy weapons like HEL's.

augreich
June 7th, 2007, 01:38 AM
Go to page 1, RedaRRow has a great post on the LRAD. (directed acoustics)

I've also heard of a space based weapon system that relies on kinetic energy; lauching large spikes at a target from space, the kinetic energy alone will obliterate a large building and could penetrate well beneath the Earth's surface.

-High Energy Laser

metro
June 7th, 2007, 05:54 AM
Sorry guys i should have been more clear. I meant directed energy weapons like HEL's.

I know there are budget cuts that have slowed (T)HEL's down dramatically. It's just isn't an answer right now to much of anything. Go to youtube and search for MTHEL or HEL. It looks grood in video from 2004, but obviously film can make a lot of things look grood. It's not fast enough yet.

In terms of putting something on a personal weapon, it's not very cost effective either. With a sniper type rifle, you could cause someone a lot of pain and maybe burn a whole in them (kill them), but Human Rights Watch Would send their super lawyers in to get you faster than the speed of light.

From what I saw of the (ground based) MTHEL/HEL, it doesn't look like it does much more than an older generation patriot... burn an incoming missile in half when it's already overhead.
MTHEL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt2qaTfT8QY&mode=related&search=

I actually have thought for a while that this has much more practcal use in anything from "anything defense" to obviously an offensive weapon (metal storm). I just don't see DE coming around, in a reliable way, anytime soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BETIBqeZA10&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX6YvWxtrxw&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w-ql8msl0U&mode=related&search=

This is how ABL is spposed to work... they make it loo/sound so easy too! Maybe you know where they are?;)


Peace

DoC_FouALieR
June 7th, 2007, 08:27 AM
I've also heard of a space based weapon system that relies on kinetic energy; lauching large spikes at a target from space, the kinetic energy alone will obliterate a large building and could penetrate well beneath the Earth's surface.
There are inherent problems with such a weapon:
- First to reload it, ammunition cannot be stored indefinitly in space, you need to resupply the weapon from earth, making a shot very costly.
- Second, firing a projectile will drive the weapon off its orbit according to the Newton's 3rd law, that raise the cost of the weapon itself, because you need some kind of stabilizing system.

metro
June 7th, 2007, 10:10 PM
There are inherent problems with such a weapon:
- First to reload it, ammunition cannot be stored indefinitely in space, you need to crisply the weapon from earth, making a shot very costly.
- Second, firing a projectile will drive the weapon off its orbit according to the Newton's 3rd law, that raise the cost of the weapon itself, because you need some kind of stabilizing system.

-Yeah, that's a major problem with any space weapon, even if we had the technology today to put a DE based system in space, any maintenance, upgrades and so on would require shuttle missions. That's the advantage of ABL and/or GBL (neither of which have we been able to make a practical reality... yet), but at least when the main system is on the ground, it can constantly be tweaked and modified.

-RE: your second point:
I’m far from an expert on space. Do you know if it is possible to launch shuttle mission into orbit, and let it deploy many "mini-shuttles" (obviously unmanned), which are pretty much stay dormant in orbit unless they are needed. In the case that a target needs to be taken out, one of the "mini-shuttles" can be controlled from "Houston." Once the trajectory and everything is figured out, a small amount of fuel can be fired to take it out of orbit and "Houston" can control its re-entry, letting it glide (like a shuttle) to its target. If this is possible, once the main "vehicle" gets to a point where it's taken the majority of the heat generated from re-entry, the mini-shuttle could release many "smaller-shuttles" (MIRVS) each independently controlled. Then you get a controlled "a controlled" meteor storm. For rapid deployment, instead of having to use ICBMs or IRBMs (where it may take assets some time to get into place or deploy to too many places) use a "shuttle crash."

BTW, leave treaties that nobody adheres to anyway, aside. I'm just wondering if something like this is plausible and economical (in relative terms)?:unknown

DoC_FouALieR
June 8th, 2007, 06:20 AM
I’m far from an expert on space. Do you know if it is possible to launch shuttle mission into orbit, and let it deploy many "mini-shuttles" (obviously unmanned), which are pretty much stay dormant in orbit [...]
Yes I think this is possible, a kind of "delayed" reentry balstic missile. Sure costly, because this kind of "meteor storm" satellite should have to sustain long period in space. But it is feasable, can be put in ordbit by space shuttle or some kind of low-cost commercial launcher, and can achieve some kind of global strike capability, with an enormous advantage: it does not look like a ICBM/SLBM strike when employed, and can hit a target even quicker if several weapons are put into different orbit, thus reducing time passage over a given area.

metro
June 8th, 2007, 07:16 AM
Yes I think this is possible, a kind of "delayed" reentry balstic missile. Sure costly, because this kind of "meteor storm" satellite should have to sustain long period in space. But it is feasable, can be put in ordbit by space shuttle or some kind of low-cost commercial launcher, and can achieve some kind of global strike capability, with an enormous advantage: it does not look like a ICBM/SLBM strike when employed, and can hit a target even quicker if several weapons are put into different orbit, thus reducing time passage over a given area.

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I was thinking. The "Ground Based" missile launch phase is bypassed and not only does it cut down the time, but something falling from space usually isn't detected until it his sombody's house. Placing them in different orbits to have the capability of striking anywhere at anytime, is a huge advanage. Many decoys could be put in space (making it more difficult to shoot down). Again, I don't know enough about space and wear & tear.

But I'd think we could make something that would not do anything (unlike other sophisticated satalites) other than sit there until needed. Something like a decent sized hardend capsule that has a small amount of fuel and photo-electric cells while in space. It could be used for ABM too, depending on how many are deployed--which could be a whole lot if the military does a cost benefit analysis (NASA would love it). It seems to me that it's a much cheaper especially since it could be used for so many situations. A quick strike capability anywhere in the world. I don't know, I was just thiking about it and if it's plausible (as you believe it is and I was geussig it wass since I've seen shuttles leave orbit and land), why not? It's realatively simple technology, unlike space based lasers. We just need to fix some foam that keeps our shuttles grounded.:unknown

alexsa
June 8th, 2007, 09:02 AM
Depending on who you believe the Rod of God proposal is pratical, and some say in service. This system was propsoed to be resident in space so to lauch was required. Coverage and low altitude (to prevent burn up) were seen to be critical issues.

rossfrb_1
June 17th, 2007, 10:41 AM
The US has also been using a green laser which induces nausea and balance problems. It basically will stop people completely in their tracks.

Laser, are you sure?
What you are describing might be attributed to ultrasonics, but light?

rb

PullerRommel
June 18th, 2007, 02:54 AM
It was a green light. Not sound. It was on FutureWeapons on Discovery Channel.

And didnt the Nazis develop a sound based weapon? I think i heard it on the History Channel or military Channel dont remember

rossfrb_1
June 18th, 2007, 05:11 AM
It was a green light. Not sound. It was on FutureWeapons on Discovery Channel.

And didnt the Nazis develop a sound based weapon? I think i heard it on the History Channel or military Channel dont remember


Was it strobed/pulsed, so as to produce an epileptic type reaction?
I'm pretty sure the yanks have sonic (and even microwave based) non lethal weapons under development.
Don't know about the Nazis.

rb

PullerRommel
June 18th, 2007, 12:42 PM
I might have been pulsed or it had diffrent settings not sure

metro
June 18th, 2007, 02:21 PM
Was it strobed/pulsed, so as to produce an epileptic type reaction?
I'm pretty sure the yanks have sonic (and even microwave based) non lethal weapons under development.
Don't know about the Nazis.

rb

Check the following link out... it has a lot of DE (Lasers/Microwaves/Sonic/Electric/Etc).
If you scroll down past a couple of articles, I think you'll see the "Green Laser" you guys are talking about. But there is everything on the page from Laser/MWVs/Sonic weapons that are in use or being worked on. As to whether some of them are non-lethal, I think that would just depend upon the User/Maker's intention.

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/cat_lasers_and_ray_guns.html

PullerRommel
June 18th, 2007, 07:17 PM
Ya thats the one i was referring to

I also saw a Suitcase that shoots out little ligtening bolts so if somewhen tried to run some other way you set it down there and when they pass it there shocked

eckherl
June 21st, 2007, 09:49 PM
so what US has one thats on a plane and flies. its called the airborne laser its expected to be in service around 2025

This is supposed to be designed to take out ballistic missiles/:cool:

metro
June 25th, 2007, 11:54 AM
This is supposed to be designed to take out ballistic missiles/:cool:

Okay, this is pretty far out there, but DARPA is behind the thing, so I wouldn't bet against it. This portable, deployable, "invisibility shield," for urban combat, which the good guy can see through and shoot through, while the bad guy sees nothing and if the "shield is hit" it repairs itself on it's own. Sorry for the long sentence, but I wanted to get all the stuff in... I left out that I want one!:D

Is this possible?

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/21/darpa-funds-invisible-shoot-through-shield/2

T-95
June 30th, 2007, 08:50 PM
Okay, this is pretty far out there, but DARPA is behind the thing, so I wouldn't bet against it. This portable, deployable, "invisibility shield," for urban combat, which the good guy can see through and shoot through, while the bad guy sees nothing and if the "shield is hit" it repairs itself on it's own. Sorry for the long sentence, but I wanted to get all the stuff in... I left out that I want one!:D

Is this possible?

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/21/darpa-funds-invisible-shoot-through-shield/2

It's not that far out there China successfully uses it against US spy sat's to blind them and is rumored to be developing one for ABM purposes but ground based. Israel already has a pretty good one for shooting down Katusha's and other things being shot at them by terror groups and US is gunna be using the same system too, it's going to be in service with both armies by 2008. Russia also used the tech to blind US spy sat's and is developing a ground based one to shoot down BM's. The Russians believe it's such a real threat that they made all their new BM's able to deal with directed energy weapons. the tech has been proposed to for the F-35 as a mini- Airborne Laser.

XaNDeR
July 1st, 2007, 01:48 PM
Imagine some kind of solar power surge collector weapon , that would absorb a little bit from the sun and shoot a huge stream of solar power :)

cessai
July 11th, 2007, 01:28 AM
interesting topic. these weapons will surely be abig help in the future

nero
July 12th, 2007, 03:19 PM
Imagine some kind of solar power surge collector weapon , that would absorb a little bit from the sun and shoot a huge stream of solar power :)

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great news !

but can anyone help me with news on the THAAD missile-defencesystem

how does the THAAD compare with the S-400 ??

also how does the THAAD complement the israeli arrow systems ??

please update on any news about the THAAD

iam interested to know about the minute-details of the system.

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XaNDeR
July 12th, 2007, 07:53 PM
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great news !

but can anyone help me with news on the THAAD missile-defencesystem

how does the THAAD compare with the S-400 ??

also how does the THAAD complement the israeli arrow systems ??

please update on any news about the THAAD

iam interested to know about the minute-details of the system.

.

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Grumble-Gargoyle.html

All about S-300 too S-400

nero
July 13th, 2007, 03:40 AM
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Grumble-Gargoyle.html

All about S-300 too S-400

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thanks , but i wanted to know about the THAAD missile syste being developed by the U.S.A.

also how does the THAAD compare with the arrow of israel.



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mexsoldier
July 13th, 2007, 02:25 PM
the world has a lot of weapons, nuclear bombs, missiles, guns, but do we have something enough to avoid them?, we can destroy, but, do we can defend ourselves of an atomic xplosion?, if we can develop destruction, we can develop defense systems enough to avoid that threats

nero
July 13th, 2007, 03:52 PM
. FUTURISTIC SUB-MACHINE GUNS

the H&K MP7A1

the ultimate futuristic gun according to me.


The weapon allows a conventional 20-round or 40-round box magazine to be fit within the pistol grip (the former being comparable in size to a 15-round 9 mm magazine, while the latter compares to a 30-round 9 mm magazine). The weapon features an ambidextrous fire-select lever and rear cocking grip. It has an extendable stock and a folding front grip. It can be fired either one-handed or two-handed.

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mexsoldier
July 13th, 2007, 04:14 PM
i think that the best weapon is the one that could destroy the infraestructure but not the lifes of inocent people, for example these bombs used in iraq or afganistan that could melt computer chips, somelike electromagnetic bombs , it could be good because you make the enemy get weaker , and not killing 1000 people in one shot.

falcon2k7
July 14th, 2007, 02:13 AM
. FUTURISTIC SUB-MACHINE GUNS

the H&K MP7A1

the ultimate futuristic gun according to me.


The weapon allows a conventional 20-round or 40-round box magazine to be fit within the pistol grip (the former being comparable in size to a 15-round 9 mm magazine, while the latter compares to a 30-round 9 mm magazine). The weapon features an ambidextrous fire-select lever and rear cocking grip. It has an extendable stock and a folding front grip. It can be fired either one-handed or two-handed.

.


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My money is still with the P90/Five-seveN combo since it's already out there in service with a lot of CT units and specops folks and has both the sub-machine gun varient and pistol with a proven tract record. The 4.6mm pistol is still under development the last time I checked. The P90 is ambidextrous (important to me as southpaw) and a 50-round top loading magazine.

Full disclosure: I do own a Five-seveN USG.

Personally I see the 6.8mm as the next rifle round as folks swing back around to larger more powerful rounds. I also see the Bullpulp configuration being the most used set up in the world. Especially since the Israelis and FN have figured out ways to make sure a southpaw can fire such a weapon without breaking their jaw. (Talking specifically of the L85/SA80)

Drones are going to make a lot of weapons obsolete including the large aircraft carriers as we know them today. In fact I predict that Air Craft carriers are already to the point of the Battleship in WW2. They are too big and too expensive. Smaller cruiser sized modular based ships with a small hanger deck for drones/UCAV's are probably the largest warship's we'll see.

4th generation Thermonuclear weapons (aka Fusion Bombs)...all the bang without all the nasty radioactive side effects. The flip side is then you have weapons that are more usable in situations like the Daisy Cutter and MOAB.

Waylander
July 14th, 2007, 07:17 AM
MP7 is in service with the Bundeswehr (numbers are growing with main emphasis on units on deployment)) as well as with some other forces in small numbers all around the globe (police forces, etc.).

XaNDeR
July 14th, 2007, 01:42 PM
I just hope Germans make a advanced Mp-5 rifle , with lasers or something , i love that gun :cool:

Waylander
July 14th, 2007, 01:49 PM
Lasers?
You can put any toy you want onto your MP5 as long as you use picatinny rails.

XaNDeR
July 14th, 2007, 02:09 PM
I didn't mean a laser for aim , i meant a "laser gun" , some future based weapon , but similar to Mp5 :)

Waylander
July 14th, 2007, 02:10 PM
Ahem, yes... :dodgy

T-95
July 14th, 2007, 02:34 PM
.
great news !

but can anyone help me with news on the THAAD missile-defencesystem

how does the THAAD compare with the S-400 ??

also how does the THAAD complement the israeli arrow systems ??

please update on any news about the THAAD

iam interested to know about the minute-details of the system.

.

It can't compare with S-400 that's the point;) . I think the Arrow 2 is just a PAC-3 system with warheads on the ABM's and can't defend against aircraft(I think).

nero
July 15th, 2007, 07:17 AM
It can't compare with S-400 that's the point;) . I think the Arrow 2 is just a PAC-3 system with warheads on the ABM's and can't defend against aircraft(I think).


. thanks a lot mate !!!

can u update me on the AT-15 Khrizantema ????

i heard that they were being sold to china & malaysia ??

is the news true ??



.P.S : i still haven't got my update on the THAAD

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T-95
July 16th, 2007, 09:30 AM
. thanks a lot mate !!!

can u update me on the AT-15 Khrizantema ????

i heard that they were being sold to china & malaysia ??

is the news true ??



.P.S : i still haven't got my update on the THAAD

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THAAD uses kinetic energy to kill and can only defend against ballistics missiles. Its range is 200km which is equal to an early S-300 system.

Here's a link: http://www.army-technology.com/projects/thaad/

metro
July 16th, 2007, 10:57 AM
It can't compare with S-400 that's the point;) . I think the Arrow 2 is just a PAC-3 system with warheads on the ABM's and can't defend against aircraft(I think).

I'm not that familiar with the S400, as I haven't seen it in actual deployment/testing, so aside from what others may know or can be read about the system, I can't answer that part.

The Arrow was put into "real" development by Israel after the 1st Gulf War when it became apparent that the Patriot System, in its 1st Generation, "wasn't as advertised."
Today's PAC-3 system is much improved (more than 15 years) and can be moved and deployed "pretty" rapidly and not just on land.

A lot of money has been put into the Arrow (a top priority of Israel). Much of the early versions were closely based on the Patriot System. However the newest generation of the arrow (which is not a Kinetic kill but has an explosive warhead that has a 50m blast zone). The early Arrow was designed almost exclusively to destroy the Scud Variants and then the Shihab missiles. Also the Arrow was designed to work within a "layered missile defense system."
The latest Generation of the Arrow is much improved both in the missiles/launching system, and especially radar.
The Arrow 2 is already "old" technology (as are the early Patriot systems), if you'd like to see the latest generation of the Arrow, look up the "Arrow Mark IV." While many say it's the next generation Arrow, AMD has long been at the top of the list of Israeli Defense funding/need. It is "operational," and is truly a new generation system. It's limitation right now is mobility. While it can act "autonomously," it still is an integrated part of a layered defense system.

As I said, you can "google it" or look it up on a site you're familiar with.

THADD is a hit to kill system. It can be deployed on/off land. I believe it has exo/endosphere capabilities. Again, much more can be looked up regarding THAAD. It can also be used autonomously, but is meat to be ore of a part of integrated/layered system.

Most is off the top of my head, but there are other threads on DT that talk about the systems and the NET is full of info!;)

ALl the best!

metro
July 16th, 2007, 11:55 AM
The US has also been using a green laser which induces nausea and balance problems. It basically will stop people completely in their tracks.

gf, are you talking about the "portable" lasers which can be used to "'blind' someone in a car that's approaching a check point at a high speed (any similar scenario)" or a laser that works more like something that can produce seizure like episodes (i.e. tapping into areas of the brain that cause similar reactions to occur)?

Or, more of a sonic weapon (maybe something combined), which overwhelms the senses of a person?
Back to my DJ/Music days, depending on the type of speakers, lighting, and a person's location--mostly to speakers-- it's definitely possible to to make someone feel pretty sick by "playing" with the EQ (not getting into engineering of sound) to said speaker he/she is standing near, and using something as simple as decent strobes light to disorient the person... (highly focused sound and lasers are in their own league):unknown

nero
July 16th, 2007, 01:53 PM
.
hi guys it's me again . as u know iam a bit of gun-crazy or savvy, as u may put it

i recently came across the M-468 assault rifle in the barret website.

it's being said that the M-468 which uses a unique 6.8mm bullet is quadrasonic ( i.e it can launch the projectiles at a speed over mach-4)

how true is it ??

can someone in this forum update me on the M-468 ??

i mean which countries, apart from U.S.A is using it & it's effective range.

i need detailed specifications. i would be grateful if someone can provide me with proper info on this deadly system


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yasin_khan
August 12th, 2007, 05:42 AM
The Army is considering sending a revolutionary new kind of unmanned aerial vehicle to Iraq that can hover at 20,000 feet over the battlefield for more than eight hours, transmitting infrared and optical imagery to commanders on the ground.
The MQ-8B Fire Scout tactical unmanned aerial vehicle system - which only a few years ago seemed all but dead - is one system Army Vice-Chief of Staff Gen. Richard Cody requested this summer as a possible answer to an urgent battlefield need for unmanned surveillance in Iraq.
Officials with Fire Scout manufacturer Northrop Grumman told Military.com the Army could make a decision on whether to field the vertical take-off and landing drone by the end of August.
If all goes according to plan, the company could field as many as eight MQ-8Bs to units in Iraq by mid-2008.
"We want to get the Army to fly the Fire Scout as early as possible," said Rick Ludwig, Northrop Grumman's director of business development for UAV systems.
The Army is interested in technology like the Fire Scout - which is based on the manned Schweizer 333 helicopter - for its Future Combat Systems Class IV UAV, one of the few drone systems to survive major Army budget cuts in next year's Defense appropriations request.
While the Navy is forging ahead on a ship-board version of the Fire Scout, the Army has yet to decide on some of the critical hardware and software configurations for the FCS version, Ludwig said.
The Fire Scout was originally intended to replace the Marine Corps RQ-2A Pioneer surveillance drone but was shelved in 2002 in favor of the RQ-7B Shadow.
The Navy breathed new life into the Fire Scout program in 2004 to augment its fleet of SH-60 Sea Hawks on future surface ships. The Army began looking at the MQ-8 in 2003 for its FCS drone fleet.
According to Joe Emerson, Northrop Grumman's FCS drone program manager, the Army wants its FCS-capable Fire Scout to have aerial mine detection capability and tactical signals intelligence hardware.
An Iraq deployment in the near term, however, would include infrared sensors and electro-optical cameras to give commanders a birds-eye view of the battlefield. The main sticking point for the Army version remains which flight control system the service wants to use for the drone, Ludwig added.
"They still have to decide what they want in it," he said.
The Navy is on track to field the Fire Scout in the anti-mine, anti-sub and intelligence gathering configurations in 2009 aboard Littoral Combat Ships, Ludwig said. Northrop Grumman is also working on ways to arm the drone with anti-ship munitions, including a variation of the brilliant anti-armor munition, which can orbit autonomously in search of a target after launch.

http://www.defensetech.org/

kizilsungur
August 14th, 2007, 10:44 AM
Is there any photo about "future weapons"???????? :confused:

falcon2k7
September 11th, 2007, 09:27 PM
What about taking the RV from an ICBM/SLBM and filling it with, say Concrete, instead of a nuclear warhead and fitting the warhead with some type of terminal guidence as a conventional warhead that could be delivered within an hour anywhere on the globe using kinetic energy as the method of kill. Kind of like the Rods on the sat proposal.

Granted, how you'd convince people "No that's not a nuke on that ICBM"...

Waylander
September 11th, 2007, 10:10 PM
That's exactly what the US is thinking about despite the fact that they want to use explosives and not concrete for the warhead.

I am not sure if this project is still in the pipe.

radiosilence
September 11th, 2007, 10:53 PM
The scenario was discuss about using non-nuclear warheads on Minuteman land-based BM or Trident D5 SLBMs if a terrorist group acquired nuclear weapons and was getting ready leave with it to a unknown location. Either missiles can hit a target almost anywhere on the globe in less than 1 hour.

A big concern is that no early-warning radar could discern between conventional and nuclear weapons which might trigger an irreversible reaction in countries with nuclear weapons because they will be unable to identify the type of warhead on a ballistic missile and its target.

shimmy
October 21st, 2007, 08:06 PM
Have there been any new developments in THEL technology?I onow it is in its infant stage and is very expensive but it did look good on paper.

paskal
October 24th, 2007, 07:01 AM
Now in this age russians has just developed their own UCAV.
THe US and the israel are developping their own.
Do you thing in the future around 2020 all fighter aircraft will be unmaned?

Chrom
November 7th, 2007, 08:41 PM
Now in this age russians has just developed their own UCAV.
THe US and the israel are developping their own.
Do you thing in the future around 2020 all fighter aircraft will be unmaned?

Certainly not all, but the trend is very clear.

Chrom
November 9th, 2007, 04:47 AM
Depends what you mean about AI and Unmanned - does a Cyborg count?
See >>>

http
://www.
kurzweilai.
net/meme/frame.
html?main=/articles/art0703.
html

(sorry about the trail but under 15 post members cannot URL)

Depends on what you think about cybrog - is it a human brain in mashine? Or just mashine with bio elements?

I count as "manned" anything what realize itself and is uniquie. I.e. human mind copied into computer might relaize itself and be otherwise just equivalent to bio brain, but is not uniquie - if it die it can be just reloaded again.

A "cloned" bio human brain might not realise itself and be overall dumber than current computer - but if it cant be fully copied after death it will be counted as "manned".

metro
November 12th, 2007, 10:02 AM
That's exactly what the US is thinking about despite the fact that they want to use explosives and not concrete for the warhead.

I am not sure if this project is still in the pipe.

"Projects in the pipeline," [in america speak] usually means it's a "idea" which has been put in the "circular file." Every now and again, somebody pulls the/a file, reads it over, and if he/she thinks it could be ingenious and maybe even presents it to the higher-ups (people with the dollars or EUROS) Most often, the person is usually told to place it back in the "Black Hole or Projects in the 'Pipeline'." Gov't at work!;)

Waylander
November 12th, 2007, 01:05 PM
Because of that I said "thinking about".
Such a system is for sure not revolutionary and gold plated enough to pass the US senate... ;) :D

Space
January 15th, 2008, 07:49 AM
Do any country has such a weapon which will just harm the thinking capability of the enemy solders?
OR
Even take control of there brain?
Is such a weapon possible?

metro
January 15th, 2008, 11:18 AM
Depends on what you think about cybrog - is it a human brain in mashine? Or just mashine with bio elements?

I count as "manned" anything what realize itself and is uniquie. I.e. human mind copied into computer might relaize itself and be otherwise just equivalent to bio brain, but is not uniquie - if it die it can be just reloaded again.

A "cloned" bio human brain might not realise itself and be overall dumber than current computer - but if it cant be fully copied after death it will be counted as "manned".

I'm guessing (along with many others) this is where a trend is heading.
Assuming a downloadable brain: one can "back up the brain infinite and/or any time." With "file sharing" how fast can anyone hooked up to the net "upgrade" a copy of their brain?!?! Then you have "corrupted files" (discard), losing a "Back up copy" vs. "Upgrading Brain/File security." And on and on...

Say goodbye to intellectual property (lawyers);)

metro
January 15th, 2008, 11:40 AM
Because of that I said "thinking about".
Such a system is for sure not revolutionary and gold plated enough to pass the US senate... ;) :D

Exactly (lol)! Cement? Which state would get the lucrative contract to make such a difficult and rare substance?;) Not that the mentioned items aren't being developed...

"Spinners" for warheads which are diamond tipped/encrusted would be a much easier sell (Pimp the 'BM'). If "Diamonds are Forever," it may be worth it if there is a good recovery team (Reusable Bling=Green and/or Environmental Friendly). Sold?:D

Waylander
January 15th, 2008, 12:00 PM
Naaah, are these Diamons stealthy and highly networked?
If not I don't see any use for them... :D

onslaught
January 15th, 2008, 03:34 PM
The JIN looks preety cool and its supposed to be in testing phase. Its an electrolaser that designed to remotely detonate IEDs. But electrolasers should be able to be turned into weapons that can have stun or kill settings. They also should be able to render anything electronic useless, kinda like a portable EMP.

metro
January 15th, 2008, 06:06 PM
Naaah, are these Diamons stealthy and highly networked?
If not I don't see any use for them... :D

Clearly there's no transparent answer to an in depth question like this. While idrive home, my cell stays connected but iirc, I heard that minor problems, can lead to major problems, so I generally stick to the straight forward policy of "don't ask don't tell"... just protecting the bottom line, of mine. Alright... enough of that:D

No, I don't see how diamonds could really help either... but, it doesn't mean that someone in congress couldn't convince some able and willing buyers how beneficial it would be for them, "everyone else would need to close the status gap... and if 'you' buy enough, 'you'll' be the envy of the world for the foreseeable future"! ;) :D

Alright, I've got to go vote... I mean, I get to go vote... Even though, half of the candidates "boycotted" the primary election in Michigan!?!? They have no clue on how much they're missing out, not seeing Detroit and everything:rolleyes: Well, I guess one party really wants to make the decision easy for people here!

Cheers!

niteshkjain
June 15th, 2008, 08:51 AM
http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2008/q2/080603a_nr.html

Boeing Fires New Thin-Disk Laser, Achieving Solid-State Laser Milestone

ST. LOUIS, June 03, 2008 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] fired its new thin-disk laser system repeatedly in recent tests, achieving the highest known simultaneous power, beam quality and run time for any solid-state laser to date.
In each laser firing at Boeing's facility in West Hills, Calif., the high-energy laser achieved power levels of over 25 kilowatts for multi-second durations, with a measured beam quality suitable for a tactical weapon system. The Boeing laser integrates multiple thin-disk lasers into a single system. Through these successful tests, the Boeing team has proven the concept of scalability to a 100-kilowatt-class system based on the same architecture and technology.
"Solid-state lasers will revolutionize the battlefield by giving the warfighter an ultra-precision engagement capability that can dramatically reduce collateral damage," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of Boeing Missile Defense Systems. "These successful tests show that Boeing has made solid progress toward making this revolutionary capability a reality."
The thin-disk laser is an initiative to demonstrate that solid-state laser technologies are now ready to move out of the laboratory and into full development as weapon systems. Solid-state lasers are powered by electricity, making them highly mobile and supportable on the battlefield. The Boeing laser represents the most electrically efficient solid-state laser technology known. The system is designed to meet the rapid-fire, rapid-retargeting requirements of area-defense, anti-missile and anti-mortar tactical high-energy laser systems. It is also ideal for non-lethal, ultra-precision strike missions urgently needed by warfighters in war zones.
"This accomplishment demonstrates Boeing's commitment to advancing the state of the art in directed energy technology," said Gary Fitzmire, vice president and program director of Boeing Directed Energy Systems. "These successful tests are a significant milestone toward providing reliable and supportable lasers to U.S. warfighters."
Boeing's approach incorporates a series of commercial-off-the-shelf, state-of-the-art lasers used in the automotive industry. These industrial lasers have demonstrated exceedingly high reliability, supportability and maintainability.
A high-power solid-state laser will damage, disable or destroy targets at the speed of light, with little to no collateral damage, supporting missions on the battlefield and in urban operations

questboy
June 24th, 2008, 01:49 AM
us are using pain ray which is highly concentrated microwave beam used to hurt or kill aperson or group they are also using laser weapon such as mthel or thel mobile(tactical high energy laser )which was devolped to destroy moving projectile in air .. were used on iraqi's :lul

AegisFC
June 24th, 2008, 02:27 AM
us are using pain ray which is highly concentrated microwave beam used to hurt or kill aperson or group they are also using laser weapon such as mthel or thel mobile(tactical high energy laser )which was devolped to destroy moving projectile in air .. were used on iraqi's :lul

Provide proof and for gods sake use correct spelling and grammar!

rabs
June 24th, 2008, 10:47 PM
MTHEL on personnel

What a tremendous waste of taxpayer money. That thing is a convoy of like 6 trucks, and to be lighting up insurgents with it, might be a bit of a stretch.