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Old August 29th, 2013   #1
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I searched for an appropriate thread like this but couldn't find one. May as well create one, can't stand it on other forums where a thread is created every time a piece of news comes out.

Anyway, interesting article about the role of the USAF in a potential Syrian intervention. The jist of it being that considering how the current plans are going (i.e limited cruise missile strikes) that their inventory of fighters, bombers & the like most probably won't be needed. Meaning that the USAF will very much take up a more secondary role providing ISTAR and - presumably - AAR capability.

Although it goes on to mention there are alternatives, e.g it may be decided that the limited cruise missile strikes weren't enough, thus potentially bringing in the USAF's precision bomber fleet.

In Syria, Air Force Mission Likely Limited to ISR | Defense News | defensenews.com

Backed up by a deployment of 2 U-2 reconnaissance aircraft to Cyprus today.

The Aviationist Two U-2s touch down in Cyprus: U.S. moving spyplanes closer to Syria
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I searched for an appropriate thread like this but couldn't find one. May as well create one, can't stand it on other forums where a thread is created every time a piece of news comes out.

Anyway, interesting article about the role of the USAF in a potential Syrian intervention. The jist of it being that considering how the current plans are going (i.e limited cruise missile strikes) that their inventory of fighters, bombers & the like most probably won't be needed. Meaning that the USAF will very much take up a more secondary role providing ISTAR and - presumably - AAR capability.

Although it goes on to mention there are alternatives, e.g it may be decided that the limited cruise missile strikes weren't enough, thus potentially bringing in the USAF's precision bomber fleet.

In Syria, Air Force Mission Likely Limited to ISR | Defense News | defensenews.com

Backed up by a deployment of 2 U-2 reconnaissance aircraft to Cyprus today.

The Aviationist Two U-2s touch down in Cyprus: U.S. moving spyplanes closer to Syria
Was watching the B-1 Lancer bomber fleet for movements -- wondering about using USAF JASSM as well as Navy Tomahawks in a strike. I notice a large eastern chunk of Syria is relatively unprotected by anti air missiles. There are three military airbases in the east, but not much in the way of AAMs. Seems a flight of Lancers from Turkey could slice in a broad curve from the east and launch JASSMs from inland east to west. Just a thought.
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That's most likely about as involved the USAF will get* in terms of a direct intervention; launching stand off weapons from outside Syrian airspace. That is, if the Navy strike is deemed to not be adequate.

*If the general idea if cruise missile strikes remains and it doesn't escalate.
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The nice thing about including air lauched standoff pgms in the attack is that it preserves the munition stocks on the ships
Having some nicely filled ammunition bunkers for short response strikes might come in handy in the future.
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I'm surprised there's only a few post on this topic about the world's largest and most powerful air force, perhaps a lot of them were posted individually and not under a general thread like this one .
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Nah, people just haven't really been posting about the USAF in general, everyone has their own preferred topics to discuss. personally in terms of US forces my main interest is the USN.
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A series of interviews with Gen. Mike Hostage, Air Combat Command chief on how the USAF is positioning itself to conduct a new way of air combat. The F-35, by virtue of sheer numbers and the combination of it's bleeding-edge attributes e.g. LO, multi-spectral sensors, expansive networking, etc. will carry the heaviest load, working in tandem,with F-22s and other networked,assets.

CC tries to pry the General for more info on the JSF's EW and cyber capabilities but the latter is a skilled fighter pilot and skillfully evades giving direct answers. However one gets the impression that the JSF and F-22 combo are going to usher in a new era of air combat where brains and guile will trump brawn. Some intriguing mention is made of the power of cyber used in conjunction with space-based capabilities but not in any detail.

highlighted is the very different approach to EW,with the AF preferring to use an all-5Gen and their onboard EW/cyber systems to initiate hostilities vs an IADS. The USN CONOPs, in contrast, relies on Growlers to provide electronic cover for it's strike packages.

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Speaking of Raptors

Raptors and Eagles Confirmed for Cope Taufan 2014

I think this is the first time the Raptors go up against the Bars equipped Flankers, is it?
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It's the first time that F-22s are deploying to South East Asia for an exercise and the first time the type is conducting DACT against Flankers and Hawks. The USAAF is also reportedly deploying a Joint Deployable Electronic Warfare Range to Malaysia.

F-22s land in Malaysia for first Southeast Asian exercise - IHS Jane's 360
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No doubt China will be rushing some SIGINT assets to the region to sniff out any useful intelligence on the Raptor. It's to be expected that the F-22 will take care not to employ it's full bag of tricks during the exercise. But sending it's most advanced aircraft in,such a high-profile manner into an area Beijing claims as it's backyard sends,a subtle message.

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It's the first time that F-22s are deploying to South East Asia for an exercise and the first time the type is conducting DACT against Flankers and Hawks. The USAAF is also reportedly deploying a Joint Deployable Electronic Warfare Range to Malaysia.

F-22s land in Malaysia for first Southeast Asian exercise - IHS Jane's 360
US bought 2 SU-27 in 1995 for an agressor role. So i assume F-22 already faced a flanker before. But Malaysian SU-30 will be different from the SU-27 bought by US. For one, Malaysian MKM is equipped with the N011M Bars radar instead of the cassegrain N001 Myech of the original SU-27. It'll be nice to know how the Bars fare against the Stealthy F-22. Also equally interesting is how well the SAP-518 jammer fare against the F-22 AESA. But i guess it'll all be top secret.
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Yes but we but have no idea whether the Su-27s ever flew against F-22s in an aggressor role. This is the first public confirmation of F-22s flying against an Su-27/30. The thing to bear in mind is that the F-22s have deployed without any ISR assets. In a real world engagement the F-22s will be cued to AEW platforms and other ISR assets: all part of a networked system. The SAP-518 jammer is intended to be used against the seekers of AAMs not onboard radars of opposing fighters.

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It would be safe to say that radar and radio frequencies of the the F-22s, F-15s and Su-20MKMs will be on training or non-combat mode. Even if China deployed some snooping assets there probably won't be much useful info they can pick up.
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It would be safe to say that radar and radio frequencies of the the F-22s, F-15s and Su-20MKMs will be on training or non-combat mode. Even if China deployed some snooping assets there probably won't be much useful info they can pick up.
No doubt. Also expect the Raptor to sport radar enhancers or EFTs to mask it's clean-config RCS.
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US bought 2 SU-27 in 1995 for an agressor role. So i assume F-22 already faced a flanker before. But Malaysian SU-30 will be different from the SU-27 bought by US. For one, Malaysian MKM is equipped with the N011M Bars radar instead of the cassegrain N001 Myech of the original SU-27. It'll be nice to know how the Bars fare against the Stealthy F-22. Also equally interesting is how well the SAP-518 jammer fare against the F-22 AESA. But i guess it'll all be top secret.
The simulated combat won't tell you how the SU-30 measures up versus the F-22 as the point of the training is to simulate different kinds of threat and then train effectively against it. So unless you know what the training was intended to simulate, you won't be able to pull any "Flanker vs Raptor" data from the results.
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The simulated combat won't tell you how the SU-30 measures up versus the F-22 as the point of the training is to simulate different kinds of threat and then train effectively against it. So unless you know what the training was intended to simulate, you won't be able to pull any "Flanker vs Raptor" data from the results.
Yeah, it maybe that the Raptors team up with the Flankers vs.,Eagles constituting the Red Force threat.
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