Su-27 in USA!

[Haavarla]

Originally Posted by gf0012-aust

Thee USAF has a specialised unit which evaluates foreign military platforms. They ran a variety of Migs and Sukhois during the cold war under a Red Hat squadron
At a platform level its the same, going civilian would have had no impact upon extant US knowledge

It's been a long term view that the USAF had a pair of Su-27's out in desert country for years. In fact they were supposed to have been acquired 6 years ago.

It's been happening for over 95 years. This is not new. The USAF had an amazing collection of Soviet aircraft even during the cold war.

I've heard about the supposed two secret US Su-27 story , but i've never come across anything conclusive.
So i do not think this is reality.
If anyone have anything, pls post it

US should be able get most of the intel out of any Su-27 without having to bring them over to the USA.
They could to this in some other Su-27 countries.
And yes i think it would be very strange if USAF need any further intel from some stripped civilian Su-27UB these days.


Thanks

[gf0012-aust]

Originally Posted by Haavarla

I've heard about the supposed two secret US Su-27 story , but i've never come across anything conclusive.
So i do not think this is reality.
If anyone have anything, pls post it

LOL, why does it need to be conclusive, the issue is possibity and likelihood based on need.

All the fanboys denied for years that the americans had any russian/soviet aircraft - and yet 2o years later it was officially released that the US had over 7 Mig 21's, a gaggle of Fitters, a few Floggers all flown by the Red Hatters and all maintained in tip top flying condition

Originally Posted by Haavarla

US should be able get most of the intel out of any Su-27 without having to bring them over to the USA.

The US would have got all the intel it needed well before a civilian transfer

Originally Posted by Haavarla

They could to this in some other Su-27 countries.

well, thats how they got all their other intel. In fact the securing of one Red Hat Mig 21 is still classified. The machine is on display at the smithsonian (which is how everyone found out when it was seen being delivered on the back of a flatbed).

All those UFO fans who hang around Nellis and Area 51 never saw a complete fighting squadron of soviet/russian jets - for over 25 years.

Originally Posted by Haavarla

And yes i think it would be very strange if USAF need any further intel from some stripped civilian Su-27UB these days.


Thanks

They don't need it. They'd already have it.

[Ananda]

Originally Posted by gf0012-aust

All the fanboys denied for years that the americans had any russian/soviet aircraft - and yet 2o years later it was officially released that the US had over 7 Mig 21's, a gaggle of Fitters, a few Floggers all flown by the Red Hatters and all maintained in tip top flying condition

gf, do have info if some of that Mig 21 that officially acknowledged by US actually coming from us ? After Soeharto's fall it's been opened rumoured that part of Soekarno's Mig 21 has been transfered to US by end of 60's or early 70's.

[Haavarla]

gf0012-aust;186834]LOL, why does it need to be conclusive, the issue is possibity and likelihood based on need.

All the fanboys denied for years that the americans had any russian/soviet aircraft - and yet 2o years later it was officially released that the US had over 7 Mig 21's, a gaggle of Fitters, a few Floggers all flown by the Red Hatters and all maintained in tip top flying condition

Some people knew before Red Hatters was de-classified.
Doesn't automaticly mean rest of the world would find out..

well, thats how they got all their other intel. In fact the securing of one Red Hat Mig 21 is still classified. The machine is on display at the smithsonian (which is how everyone found out when it was seen being delivered on the back of a flatbed).

All those UFO fans who hang around Nellis and Area 51 never saw a complete fighting squadron of soviet/russian jets - for over 25 years.

Does this mean it(Su-27) will be de-classiffied another 10 years from now??

If it is true, then US have a couple of older Su-27SK from some african nation.
Funny it's such a big secret, when Pride just bought two Su-27UB produced in 1988,1990

They don't need it. They'd already have it.

That was my point as well, so why don't USAF have it de-classified by now?

Here is a video fotage from inside the "31" cockpit doing a hasty departure

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

[gf0012-aust]

Originally Posted by Haavarla

Does this mean it(Su-27) will be de-classiffied another 10 years from now??

If it is true, then US have a couple of older Su-27SK from some african nation.

Funny it's such a big secret, when Pride just bought two Su-27UB produced in 1988,1990

That was my point as well, so why don't USAF have it de-classified by now?

who cares why and when they release material? its their business.

again, I point out that the entry of Mig21's into the US is still a classified issue. The Mig 21 at the smithsonian technically doesn't exist as it has no N reg markings and does not appear on any USAF manifests either.

if they're still shy about Mig-21's which they flew for over 20 years in arizona one wouldn't need much imagnation to understand if anything else was gifted from another player.

similarly the US has more russian armour out at aberdeen than some "legit" buyers.

again, the USAF has a dedicated unit that looks at foreign military equipment, be they defectors, be they purchased assets from unknown sources.

by the time the jets got into the US for N reg they were a known quantity.

the rest is just academic