Saudi Arabia may Order 24 more Typhoons

[kato]

Originally Posted by oxforduniversit

Also the big 4 are NATO and the US is part of those figures. Take NATO out and what do you have?

Sales to developing nations by:

USA - $79.533 billion
Russia - $51.159 billion
"EU Big Four" - $36.472 billion (France, UK, Germany, Italy)
"Other European" - $18.398 billion (includes eg. Ukraine, Romania, Sweden, Spain)
China - $10.119 billion

Other Nations - $14.746 billion (includes eg. South Africa, Canada, Brazil)

Originally Posted by oxforduniversit

lets not forget Russia's private miltary companies too

Note that these are the entire arms exports of these nations.

Originally Posted by oxforduniversit

And that is not off the topic

Oh, it definitely is.

[old faithful]

Originally Posted by oxforduniversit

If the adminstrators would allow me to incert links, I have some Russian figures to provide what Russia has sold. Second, you forgot Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus too, all are still connected to Russia's miltary companies (what they make and sell) as well and lets not forget Russia's private miltary companies too. Also the big 4 are NATO and the US is part of those figures. Take NATO out and what do you have?

And that is not off the topic

...errr...Saudi Arabia may order 24 more Typhoons.... is the topic....and they are NOT American aircraft...

[adam-alm]

Anyone knows when the Saudis will get their 1st delivery of eurifighters?

[Scorpion82]

Originally Posted by adam-alm

Anyone knows when the Saudis will get their 1st delivery of eurifighters?

It is planned from next year onwards. Probably from summer or later that year.

[Izzy1]

Originally Posted by Scorpion82

It is planned from next year onwards. Probably from summer or later that year.

I'm truly sick and tired of saying this, here on DT.


Saudi's first 24 Typhoons will be drawn direct from current RAF tranche 2 Production.

Their following 48 will be built - in kit-form, within Kingdom.

[Izzy1]

Originally Posted by Izzy1

I'm truly sick and tired of saying this here on DT.

For the ninth time.

Saudi's first 24 Typhoons will be drawn direct from current RAF tranche 2 Production.

Their following 48 will be built - in kit-form, within Kingdom.

RSAF are now looking at another 24 Typhoon's short term - to replace their 1970's block F-15C/Ds.

[adam-alm]

i didnt think the f-15s were due for replacing . They cost the Govt a fortune i thought the saudis were gonna retire the old f-5s and some tornadoes for the eurofighters. It would be silly to retire the f-15s they are still one of the worlds best jets .

[Scorpion82]

Originally Posted by Izzy1

I'm truly sick and tired of saying this, here on DT.


Saudi's first 24 Typhoons will be drawn direct from current RAF tranche 2 Production.

Their following 48 will be built - in kit-form, within Kingdom.

Have I said something different? Please read carefully before acussing someone for things they haven't said. The question was when the first aircraft will be delivered and the answer is from next year. Block 8 is scheduled for delivery from summer 2008, so that's the earlies date first RSAF aircraft will be delivered.

RSAF are now looking at another 24 Typhoon's short term - to replace their 1970's block F-15C/Ds.

That is what the topic is all about, additional 24 Typhoons for the RSAF next to the 72 currently ordered.

[eaf-f16]

Originally Posted by Izzy1

RSAF are now looking at another 24 Typhoon's short term - to replace their 1970's block F-15C/Ds.

Maybe, to replace A/B models? Did Saudi Arabia receive any? Because to me-unless this is an issue about the airframes being worn out-C/D model F-15's pretty much match anything in the Middle East and should meet RSAF requirements for an A2A fighter unless KSA is looking for something superior to what everyone else has.

[Scorpion82]

Originally Posted by eaf-f16

Maybe, to replace A/B models? Did Saudi Arabia receive any? Because to me-unless this is an issue about the airframes being worn out-C/D model F-15's pretty much match anything in the Middle East and should meet RSAF requirements for an A2A fighter unless KSA is looking for something superior to what everyone else has.

No the RSAF never received any A/B just C/D from 1986 if I remember right.

[eaf-f16]

Originally Posted by Scorpion82

No the RSAF never received any A/B just C/D from 1986 if I remember right.

If they received them on 1986 then what on earth would make RSAF want to replace them?

I think they are buying more to replace more of their Tornado's not their F-15's. I maybe wrong...

[Scorpion82]

Originally Posted by eaf-f16

If they received them on 1986 then what on earth would make RSAF want to replace them?

I think they are buying more to replace more of their Tornado's not their F-15's. I maybe wrong...

Because 20 years old aircraft are hardly new and need to be replaced in the not to distant future. BTW the RSAF just bought a limited number of Tornado ADV (AFAIK just 24 aircraft).

[SaudiArabian]

they were received in 1982

several F-15C's have crashed , current F-15C's flight hours are huge and its probably gonna pass its lifetime (if it didn't already!) , very few F-15S's are in hangars , one F-15S crashed and one is damaged

these planes might need replacement for their position , and if the replacement is by the Typhoons then i find it better and excellent choice because it moves Saudi Air Force away from the US and the complications of its congress and israeli lobby to the opened European neutral market

the F-5's are now for sale at 1.5 million$/plane , some of them are sold to Brazil while there's been news about Kenya and Mexico to buy some. few F-5's are still at service in Taif as last i know about.

advanced MIG-29 , MIG-35 or SU-(of any new kind) option would be an excellent strategic choice (after what recently happened in the Congress by stalling the 20 Billion $ deal by israel lobby) and will secure the Kingdom against external pressure BUT technicaly its a terrible choice because it will damage the capability , experience and training of the RSAF and will cost much more money that damages the KSA's economy.

[swerve]

Originally Posted by eaf-f16

If they received them on 1986 then what on earth would make RSAF want to replace them?

I think they are buying more to replace more of their Tornado's not their F-15's. I maybe wrong...

The newest F-15C is over 20 years old. The first was delivered in 1981, & I think the last in 1986. By the time they could begin replacing them (the Typhoons will replace the Tornado ADV initially), they'll be between 25 & 30 years old.

The Tornado IDS are undergoing an upgrade, including the integration of new weapons. The aircraft sent to the UK for development of the upgrade have been seen flying with Storm Shadows. I don't think they'll be replaced for a while.

I presume the F-15S is not scheduled for replacement yet. They were delivered in the 1990s, & are the newest type in service at the moment.

[Scorpion82]

Yes I have to correct my statement, Swerve is right the first example was delivered in 1981. The RSAF additionally received some new aircraft and some used after Operation Desert Storm.