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Old November 22nd, 2010   #1
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Flight trials of the second prototype of Sukhoi's fifth-generation T-50 fighter aircraft are due before the end of the year, Sukhoi holding CEO Mikhail Pogosyan said on Monday.

The first prototype of the aircraft made its maiden flight in late January and has conducted 40 in total, Pogosyan said.

Second prototype fifth-generation fighter to fly before yearend | Defense | RIA Novosti


How would you describe the Pak-Fa program progress this last year and what does the future bring?

Mr Pogo says the Program or the test flight at least is in fact ahead of schedule..
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40 flights isn't bad for a first prototype of such a new complex aircraft in a time frame short of 10 month. You have to consider that the aircraft had its down time for at least one modification and being partly disassembled and latter reassembled to be moved from Komsomolsk to Zhukowski. This compare rather well to other modern aircraft which flew much less in the same period. And as the aircraft is regularly seen flying it indicates that there have been no major issues found so far.
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Flight trials of the second prototype of Sukhoi's fifth-generation T-50 fighter aircraft are due before the end of the year, Sukhoi holding CEO Mikhail Pogosyan said on Monday.

The first prototype of the aircraft made its maiden flight in late January and has conducted 40 in total, Pogosyan said.

Second prototype fifth-generation fighter to fly before yearend | Defense | RIA Novosti


How would you describe the Pak-Fa program progress this last year and what does the future bring?

Mr Pogo says the Program or the test flight at least is in fact ahead of schedule..
Nothing scary has come up so far on the T-50 and Sukhoi seems to be generally pleased, therefore we can probably expect a bright future for the T-50, perhaps one better than the F-35 Maybe?
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Far more interesting then the so far uneventful T-50 testing, U-UAZ is expecting a relatively large contract for S-25UBM to come through within a couple of years. There was vague talk of this earlier, and it seems this is materializing. These will be new-built two-seat combat trainers for the Su-25SM program.

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This gives us good indicators that the SM program for the Su-25 is and will continue, and that the trainer fleet for the aircraft in question will be renewed.
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One more Sukhoi Su-34 frontline bomber made its maiden flight at the Novosibirsk-based Chkalov Aviation Production Association belonging to Sukhoi Holding on Friday.

“It is the third of four aircraft that will be delivered to the Russian Air Force before the end of the year,” a source on the company management told Interfax-AVN.

He said that the first two bombers are undergoing flight tests before delivery and work on the fourth bomber is nearing completion.

The source said that the Air Force has already received five Su-34 bombers. “The state contract provides for the delivery of 32 aircraft,” he said.

Source: Interfax-AVN



Edit: Judging by this there will be four new Su-34 bombers, adding a total of nine.
Reports from Paralay forum(from a worker at NAPO) the bottle neck of the Su-34 prod is all the electronics equipment and its sub-contractors that is a limiting factors at the moment.
The Assembly lines at NAPO was re-tooled last year, so they could turn out 12 airframe a year, but they have to follow the chain of supply and focus on completing aircraft this way.

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You have to like Air Forces CINC, General-Colonel Aleksandr Zelin.

Hes open and candid about what Defense Minister Anatoliy Serdyukovs new profile reforms mean for him and his service. Hes talked earlier, more often, and longer about it than his Ground Troops or Navy counterparts. Hes matter of fact and accepting of the entire process.

Serdyukovs changes turned General-Colonel into a trainer and force provider, and he nonchalantly admits as much.

At 57, Zelin understands he can be replaced at any time, or allowed to serve three more years or even longer.

If he were a tad younger, he would have been the right kind of general to command one of the new military districts / unified strategic commands (OSK / ОСК), say the Western or Central. An air or air defense officer would have been just the right choice for a potential future war on those axes. Instead, the Kremlin has three Ground Troops generals and one admiral (a step in the right direction). Its hard to argue against Ground Troops leadership in Russias restive south. But Air Forces (VVS or ВВС) would have been a really good choice in the Western or Central Military Districts . . . a missed opportunity for now.

But back to Zelin. On Tuesday, he addressed a foreign military attach audience (and the Russian media) about the future of the VVS.

According to Gzt.ru, Zelin said the VVS will be reduced by a third and spread among the four new OSKs. And its Main Command (Glavkomat) will be responsible only for combat training. The OSKs are in charge of employing the VVS in their theaters.

The VVS now consist of the Glavkomat, 7 operational commands, 7 first-rank air bases, 8 second-rank air bases, and 13 aerospace defense (VKO) brigades. Before the new profile, the Air Forces consisted of 72 regiments, 14 air bases, and 12 independent squadrons and detachments, with a third more aircraft than the VVS now have.

Four of todays 7 operational commands are subordinate to the new OSKs. Army Aviation also falls under them.

According to Zelin, in the future, the VVS Main Command (Glavkomat or Главкомат) could become a branch department of the General Staff responsible for the combat training of the Air Forces and Air Defense, while the OSKs employ the trained forces.

Zelin says VVS personnel will number 170,000 with 40,000 officers, nearly 30,000 sergeants, and the balance conscripts or civilian specialists. He says todays personnel training system doesnt satisfy him, and so hell probably change the system of flight schools. Only four remain today. Voronezh will be the main training center. Flight training will also be conducted in Krasnodar and Lipetsk. Yaroslavl will remain home to air defense officer training.

According to the CINC, the VVS airfield network wont change. Base airfields will be first priority for reconstruction and modernization. Zelin says civilian airfields could be used for operational purposes in the future.

He noted the VVS plans to go to a fully automated command and control system in the future, and, of course, develop its VKO forces.

Lenta.ua quoted Zelins remarks to Interfaks. Zelin said the VVS will renew 30 percent of its inventory by 2015, and 100 percent new in some areas and 80 percent new overall by 2020. He doesnt say where the VVS are today in this regard, but recall Defense Minister Serdyukov has said only 10 percent of equipment in the Armed Forces is modern.

Zelin said the VVS will get new aircraft, air defense, reconnaissance, and electronic warfare systems, but modernization of some existing systems is still part of the plan. Although the State Armaments Program 2011-2020 and its 19 or 20 trillion rubles have to be finalized, Zelin repeated that 10 T-50 (PAK FA) will be acquired in 2013-2015, and 60 more from 2016. He mentioned Military-Transport Aviation (VTA or ВТА) is a priority including the An-124 Ruslan, Il-112, Il-476, Il-76M, and An-70 but he doesnt venture any numbers or dates for new production. Zelin does give a target of 400 new and modernized helicopters in the inventory by 2015.

Who knows what was or wasnt covered in these media contacts, but it seems odd theres still no mention of more S-400 deliveries. Zelin was still talking about getting 5-6 more battalions in 2010 earlier this year. But no sign of them. Itll be a big deal when or if they appear. Also, no mention of S-500 development.

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Almaz-Antey is building three new factories to meet the S-400 contracts from the MoD. When China tried placing a request for those systems they were told the soonest they would see any was 2017. So I'm guessing we will see large-scale mass production in the 2012-2015 timeframe. Until then 1-2 units annually will be the limit.
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An interesting detail, apparently as many as 4 sqaudrons of Su-27SMs were delivered to the VVS in 2010. I'm wondering if this is a journalist error, and we're actually talking about total number of SMs in the VVS. But in that case it wouldn't make sense either, as ~60 SMs should have been delivered by now according to previous info. Assuming squadron size remains at 12 units, either KnAAPO landed a very juicy contract (which it fulfilled speedily) or the journalists screwed up somewhere.

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It looks that way yes, four SM Sq..

Could this also been the case why KnAAPO didn't start up the Su-35S production until now?
And What about the proclaimed Newly produced Su-27SM's`.. where does they fit in all this?
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I'm assuming they're one of the four. I doubt that this caused the delay in Su-35S production. More likely the other way around, to bail out KnAAPO emergency funds were spent on major modernization to keep the factory running at capacity, while the Su-35S is prepared for production.
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A rather nice Su-35 "901" Vid in HD from MAKS 2009.
Very good shooting quality.

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I have a question, just to clarify things' is the SMT upgrade for the Fulcrums screwd or will they be taking place?
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As far as I can tell the SMT upgrade is not taking place. The MiG-35 will replace some of the 29s, and two squadrons of Mig-29SMT are in service as of right now (the Algerian returns).
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Total number of Su-34 in the VVS is now 10, with the latest hand over of 6 more aircraft.

http://lenta.ru/news/2010/12/24/su34/
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Can anyone tell me how many countries have been offered the Su-34 and how many have shown interest in it?
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