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This is a discussion on Russian Air Force News & Discussion within the Air Force & Aviation forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by Haavarla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Z2...youtu.be&t=196 A good view of the new Artic Pantsir unit with its 18 missile tubes among ...


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Z2...youtu.be&t=196

A good view of the new Artic Pantsir unit with its 18 missile tubes among others.
18 tubes and I didn't see any cannons. Is this the Pantsyr-S2?
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18 tubes and I didn't see any cannons. Is this the Pantsyr-S2?
Панцирь-СА

And it is still goes as :
"Боевая машина зенитного ракетно-пушечного комплекса "Панцирь-СА"

So cannons are there, somewhere
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18 tubes and I didn't see any cannons. Is this the Pantsyr-S2?
On that Artic Pantsyr, i've seen the Designation Pantsyr-S2U.

With the Tor-M2U as well.
We might see another version of Pantsir(Pantsir-S2?) with guns. But bare in mind, the more weapons you mount on, the heavier it will become. Guess there is some requirements to weight as well.

Anyway, it was reported that those 18 tubes fields a increased range of missile. Would be interesting to measure them in size with the older versions.
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On that Artic Pantsyr, i've seen the Designation Pantsyr-S2U.

With the Tor-M2U as well.
We might see another version of Pantsir(Pantsir-S2?) with guns. But bare in mind, the more weapons you mount on, the heavier it will become. Guess there is some requirements to weight as well.

Anyway, it was reported that those 18 tubes fields a increased range of missile. Would be interesting to measure them in size with the older versions.
Tor-M2DT is the index for the Tor vehicle.

Tor-M2U is a different variant. Also the DT probably refers to the DT-30 transporter used.

EDIT: It might be that the Pantsyr requires modifications to the SAM or the radar to make it work in Arctic conditions, while the Tor just needed a new chassis for standardization and mobility.
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Tor-M2DT is the index for the Tor vehicle.

Tor-M2U is a different variant. Also the DT probably refers to the DT-30 transporter used.

EDIT: It might be that the Pantsyr requires modifications to the SAM or the radar to make it work in Arctic conditions, while the Tor just needed a new chassis for standardization and mobility.
Yeah, well i thought the "U" was due to the the platform was mounted on tracks instead of wheels.. but all the Russian designations can be a challange.. at least for me.

The Radar on Pantsir-S2/S2U is a new design with a paired ESA array from its older versions. It get a better real time picture this way.

And the new Pantsir is a modular system, it can link up with S-400 command unit for better SA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQwOD6IoY58

I'm not sure if Tor-M2U can link up with S-400 system, it being an Army unit and all.. perhaps it can link up with the upcoming S-350 system once it get operational.

Speaking of S-350, it is a beefed up BUK system, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS2d5QRkKZk

Looks like a twelve tube launcher, and the idea of reloading it is probably much faster and easier than the standard BUK systems.

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Never mind, S-350 is not the same missile as BUK. The size is clearly different, seen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2czmbM7Vro

So S-350 fields a smaller new missile.. interesting.
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If I'm not wrong the S-350 uses the 9M96, which is also used as one of the missiles in the S-400, wasn't it?
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If I'm not wrong the S-350 uses the 9M96, which is also used as one of the missiles in the S-400, wasn't it?
Did you do a little research on this?
Clearly the missile tubes on S-350 is much smaller than anything seen before on S-400.

Like i posted above. I don't know what kind of missiles the S-350 fields, but the tubes seems way slimmer vs even the BUK missiles.


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The S-350 is an army unit.
What gets me is why we don't see a slightly more standardize production of anti air missiles, not just between Army and Air/Space defence, but also between Navy and land systems.

There seems to be severe problems with the Navy SAM system, Poliment-Redut*with 9M96*missiles isn’t ready, and will have to be fitted right to finished frigates.

I don't understand what this means.. perhaps there are several versions like short to medium range of them.

I think the S-350 is severly delayed.
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Yeah, well i thought the "U" was due to the the platform was mounted on tracks instead of wheels.. but all the Russian designations can be a challange.. at least for me.

The Radar on Pantsir-S2/S2U is a new design with a paired ESA array from its older versions. It get a better real time picture this way.

And the new Pantsir is a modular system, it can link up with S-400 command unit for better SA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQwOD6IoY58

I'm not sure if Tor-M2U can link up with S-400 system, it being an Army unit and all.. perhaps it can link up with the upcoming S-350 system once it get operational.

Speaking of S-350, it is a beefed up BUK system, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS2d5QRkKZk

Looks like a twelve tube launcher, and the idea of reloading it is probably much faster and easier than the standard BUK systems.

Edit:
Never mind, S-350 is not the same missile as BUK. The size is clearly different, seen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2czmbM7Vro

So S-350 fields a smaller new missile.. interesting.
Tor can definitely link up with both S-300 and S-400. Both the Greeks and the Chinese use the Tor together with the S-300.

The S-350 allegedly uses the 9M96 and 9M100 missiles.

Poliment-Redut is delayed, with the Redut being the missile component, and Poliment being the radar. Redut is online on the 20380 corvettes but iirc only with the shorter range SAMs.
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Some unconfirmed source says the T-50-9 has flown.

The new mission computer for T-50, it runs at 150Gflops.
The time it has taken for PakFa program has made it necessary to change and improve avionics as time progress.

Both the Su-35S' and current T-50's fire control computers (СОЛО-35.01/SOLO-35.01 & СОЛО-21/SOLO-21 respectively) peak @ 80Gflops:
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Some unconfirmed source says the T-50-9 has flown.

The new mission computer for T-50, it runs at 150Gflops.
The time it has taken for PakFa program has made it necessary to change and improve avionics as time progress.

Both the Su-35S' and current T-50's fire control computers (СОЛО-35.01/SOLO-35.01 & СОЛО-21/SOLO-21 respectively) peak @ 80Gflops:
Regarding the T-50 program. It looks like the idea of the early variant T-50 with the 1st tier engines has been scrapped, and instead they're going for a better machine from the get-go, relying on upgraded Flankers to fill the gap. Remember, initially the PAK-FA was to share avionics with the Su-35S.
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Regarding the T-50 program. It looks like the idea of the early variant T-50 with the 1st tier engines has been scrapped, and instead they're going for a better machine from the get-go, relying on upgraded Flankers to fill the gap. Remember, initially the PAK-FA was to share avionics with the Su-35S.
About the next engines, we shall see. If the T-50-9 has flown, then there only remains one or two more prototypes before the Pre-Serial production commence.
They should be able to finnish all the prototypes this year.

Its not that Sukhoi cannot recall the first 12 PakFa to factory and refit the necessary equipment. They did it with both Su-34 and Su-35S.

And if F-35 is any metric.. There is a 100 F-35 target for block upgrade, even if minor ones.
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