Royal Australian Air Force [RAAF] News, Discussions and Updates
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The Govt only wants to be able to fly non fixed wing that can double hat as HR (and primarily HR) from the phatships
The Tigers will be a luxury item
Paint it orange and call it a larger border protection and distaster relief ship and they will snap it up. Any way we could rig the SHs to drop humanitarian aid?
I was just doing a bit of Xmas reading when I saw this, I wasn't aware there was nearly a 100% increase in cost, dam lucky we didn't have the internet experts on procurement back then.
http://www.anao.gov.au/~/media/Files...05%20OCRed.pdf
2.2 The 75 aircraft entered service in Australia between 1985 and 1990.26
The initial approved budget for the 75 F/A‐18 aircraft was $2.43 billion (August
1981 prices), but by the time all the aircraft were received, the cost amounted to
some $4.6 billion (June 1990 prices).
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Air Vice-Marshal Osley, 2012 : Air Power Australia made several errors of fact and misrepresentations about F-35 capability..their analysis is basically flawed through incorrect assumptions and lack of knowledge..
Final assembly of the first C-27J Spartan for the Royal Australian Air Force started
Just a snappy RAAF C-27J update.
Press release - Alenia Aermacchi
The fuselage of the first C-27J for the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) has arrived at the Alenia Aermacchi Turin plant for final assembly.
Manufactured at Alenia Aermacchi’s Capodichino Naples site, the fuselage, reached Turin both by truck (from Capodichino to the Port of Naples and from Genoa to Turin) and sea freight (from Naples to Genoa).
The Australian order for 10 aircraft was placed through the US Foreign Military Sales Joint Cargo Aircraft program last May.
The first C-27J will arrive in Australia in early 2015, and will be used for tactical airlift. They will replace the piston-engine Caribou, which were retired in 2009 after 45 years of service.
In the tactical transport role, the C-27J provides the best possible integration with the existing Australian Defence Force fleet. It will provide an airlift capability between the CH-47 Chinook and C-130J Hercules, as well as integrating with the much larger C-17A Globemaster.
One thing i have wondered is when the caribou was retired in 2009 and the C-27 due in
2015,what have the ex caribou pilots been doing in the mean time? Did they go onto C-17 or Trained up on the C-130 Js?
I have assumed they went to the C-130J Squadron ,as the C-27 and C-130J have very similar cockpits?
One thing i have wondered is when the caribou was retired in 2009 and the C-27 due in
2015,what have the ex caribou pilots been doing in the mean time? Did they go onto C-17 or Trained up on the C-130 Js?
I have assumed they went to the C-130J Squadron ,as the C-27 and C-130J have very similar cockpits?
Cheers.
38 Squadron (the ex-Caribou unit) converted to the King Air 350 for training, light transport and liaison missions and "other" (ie: special mission - surveillance) taskings, so many of it's staff would have stayed and converted onto the new type.
I imagine some of the pilots, loadmasters etc converted onto those other types as well and some may have retired or be posted at "Brown Bomber" seats (desks...).
That’s good to see, is there any explanation how they came up with the final figure of 10 aircraft and not 12?
Undoubtedly a combination of available resources as well as numbers required to sustain a similar capability to what we had.
From recollection, the 10 C-27J fleet will be undertaking the tasking that 8 C-130H aircraft performed after the Bous were retired.
It does seem a strange figure given other RAAF airlift squadrons are 6 or 12 strong, but then we see Army buying 7 CH-47F Chinooks and RAAF bought 5 KC-30A, so the numbers in reality are all over the place and don't mean much.
I expect they buy the number of platforms that meets a minimum level of directed capability and fits within the allocated budget, though with some projects there's clearly scope or the flexibility to maximise the number of platforms or assets acquired.
An obvious example of this that sticks out is the advanced targetting pod capability acquired during the Hornet upgrade.
From recollection, choosing the Litening AT pod, allow us to acquire 41 targetting pods, whereas the Sniper XR pod, would have resulted in us only being able to acquire 32 pods or so (can't remember the exact figure, but it was quite a few less pods overall) and this was the major reason why we chose Litening AT for the HUG.
Both met our requirements, but Litening AT allowed us more capability overall within our budget.
Undoubtedly a combination of available resources as well as numbers required to sustain a similar capability to what we had.
From recollection, the 10 C-27J fleet will be undertaking the tasking that 8 C-130H aircraft performed after the Bous were retired.
It does seem a strange figure given other RAAF airlift squadrons are 6 or 12 strong, but then we see Army buying 7 CH-47F Chinooks and RAAF bought 5 KC-30A, so the numbers in reality are all over the place and don't mean much.
I expect they buy the number of platforms that meets a minimum level of directed capability and fits within the allocated budget, though with some projects there's clearly scope or the flexibility to maximise the number of platforms or assets acquired.
An obvious example of this that sticks out is the advanced targetting pod capability acquired during the Hornet upgrade.
From recollection, choosing the Litening AT pod, allow us to acquire 41 targetting pods, whereas the Sniper XR pod, would have resulted in us only being able to acquire 32 pods or so (can't remember the exact figure, but it was quite a few less pods overall) and this was the major reason why we chose Litening AT for the HUG.
Both met our requirements, but Litening AT allowed us more capability overall within our budget.
I can recall as a lad being at the Squadron picnic, my Dad an IP in the 130 observing the Boo Boos landing, they had all the flaps down and were making assault style approaches, it would have been about 1966, before he went to Viet-Nam. Course I loved the Boo Boo, my Dad "not impressed". LOL
Is there if any truth to the rumours that we could be getting more super's due to the perceived delays in the F35? Acording to the "leaked" white paper?
Is there if any truth to the rumours that we could be getting more super's due to the perceived delays in the F35? Acording to the "leaked" white paper?
Go back to page 240, post #3596, December 13th, you will see a link to the Def Min's statement.
The Government is investigating cost and availabilty of 24 Shornets, but no decision until this year sometime, probably be around Budget / White Paper time, anyway have a read of it.
This morning I watched the 4 corners presentation on the F35 what a joke! It makes me mad when main stream media do things like this and make such a mess out of it (obviously using their own agenda).
The general public will see this and see the so called experts (clown club) on there and they will say yes we are getting ripped off! This government is letting us down look what they have stuffed up now etc etc! we don't want to pay 35 Billion for planes when we can get them for 4-5 billion from Jo Plane builder down the road, presentations like this fail to acknowledge the total through life price etc ( I suppose that doesn't make headlines) it isn't right it is misleading and they really should be held accountable for it.
If only the general public would come onto sites like this and get a more rounded picture of defence procurement which isn't always a rosy picture but at least your getting a hell of a lot more of the correct information than what those pitiful excuses for Journalist supply here in Australia.
Sorry to rant but i needed to vent, I'll calm down until the next thing i read that has been written poorly haha have a good day.
Im a civvy and yeah I came out of that 4 corners episode pretty taken back, hell its hard not to.
Im still a beleiver in the F-35 program but I must say in the last year Ive starting asking more questions of it.
A big one obviously has to be why we never put out a fighter competition to at least get pitches for options and try and screw the F-35 price down etc. As someone that works in business I'd be shot if I didn't play suppliers off against each other to get a good deal and yet the Aussie gov seams to have done just that on one of their largest ever purchases. Part of the problem seams to be that the F-35 is still very much a development project with a lot of work to go. Hense why they cant quote a definite black and white price on X many units. Even they dont know yet what 75 odd F-35's will cost in 5 years time.
Overall, I have to say I would be leaning toward seeing the RAAF plump up its Super Hornet ranks with an extra dozen units for example and wait a little longer so we can host a new legacy hornet replacement bid project in a few years and really play these suppliers off against each other to get a better deal. Given the 24 supers we picked up in 2010 it seams a mixed fleet is already guaranteed so why not just run with it?
Another way out would be to buy all 100 F35's. Buy an aircraft carrier, and give all the Super Hornets to the Navy.
