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This is a discussion on Royal Australian Air Force [RAAF] News, Discussions and Updates within the Air Force & Aviation forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; From Boeing. LONG BEACH, Calif., Nov. 1, 2012 -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] delivered the sixth Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) ...


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Old November 2nd, 2012   #3556
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From Boeing.
LONG BEACH, Calif., Nov. 1, 2012 -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] delivered the sixth Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) C-17 Globemaster III today at the company's final assembly facility in Long Beach. The airlifter will be assigned to No. 36 Squadron at RAAF Base Amberley near Brisbane, where it will help meet increased demand for airlift to support military, humanitarian and peacekeeping operations.

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LONG BEACH, Calif., Nov. 1, 2012 -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] delivered the sixth Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) C-17 Globemaster III today at the company's final assembly facility in Long Beach. The airlifter will be assigned to No. 36 Squadron at RAAF Base Amberley near Brisbane, where it will help meet increased demand for airlift to support military, humanitarian and peacekeeping operations.
Nice. So with the early retirement of the C-130H, can anyone see us pursuing C-17 number 7 or 8 in the new White Paper, maybe as the "surprise"?

(I think this Government will want a "surprise" capability announcement for the WP, given the public bagging over their sustained under-investment in capital acquisitions).

Hurricane Sandy would have provided a timely remembrance of the need for ADF to have a strong humanitarian response capability after all...


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Nice. So with the early retirement of the C-130H, can anyone see us pursuing C-17 number 7 or 8 in the new White Paper, maybe as the "surprise"?

(I think this Government will want a "surprise capability announcement for the WP, given the public bagging over their sustained under-investment in capital acquisitions).

Hurricane Sandy would have provided a timely remembrance of the need for ADF to have a strong humanitarian response capability after all...

I think another 2 are a very good chance, but we had better order them pretty quick, US orders have finished and the production line is winding down and slatted to close down next year some time ?
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India have 10 on order and the first forward,centre and aft fuselages, and the wing assembly were joined on July 31st 2012.

C-17s for India

I assume the line would be closing very soon if new orders are not made.
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I think another 2 are a very good chance, but we had better order them pretty quick, US orders have finished and the production line is winding down and slatted to close down next year some time ?
I imagine 2013, will still see orders available. The WP is "meant" to be released early to mid 2013, though we've seen delays before.

I just see the C-17 ticking every box for this Government.

ADF needs more airlift. Check.

Government wants to be seen to be investing in future capability for ADF. Check.

This Government doesn't really want to engage in acquisitions of capability that don't tow the corporate line, ie: "humanitarian assistance" as opposed (as much as possible) to combat capability. Check.

Government doesn't want to spend "too" much. Check. ($500-$600m is "chump" change overall and will be stripped from other ADF projects anyway).

Government wants some nice easy acquisitions, to balance the difficult ones so they can point to statistics to prove we are managing Defence "well". Check.

Win, win all-round.

(Except to the ADF who need capability in other areas, that Government WON'T fund...)
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The 2009 white paper called for an additional two C-130Js and 10 tactical transports which would effectively replace the C-130H and the long gone Caribous.

It looks like they got two C-17s instead of the C-130Js.

While extra transports would always be welcome I doubt the new white paper will advocate a transport fleet above and beyond what was recommended in the 2009 white paper.
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Spartan C-27J

There is a recent article by Nigel Pittaway in the Oct edition of Defence Today mag commenting on the impending purchase of the 10 Spartan aircraft and the lack of probity, apparently, in its selection.

Senator Johnston has requested that the ANAO review the process.
Is this a serious issue, or is it opposition stirring and what is the likely outcome?
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Senator Johnston has requested that the ANAO review the process.
Is this a serious issue, or is it opposition stirring and what is the likely outcome?
talk about the Oppn being asleep at the wheel... they're just as clueless, but at least they understand that the militarys primary role is about combat capability

I'm still surprised that the Govt hasn't gone nuts and tried to get the ADF to implement the Spanish HA/S/ND model. The Greens would have been all over it like a rash.
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I'm missing your point about the Spanish gf.
Do you mean that the ADF slipped under the govt's radar and purchased the Spartan whereas the govt would have forced the C-295 in lieu?

Sorry to be ignorant on this
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I'm missing your point about the Spanish gf.
Do you mean that the ADF slipped under the govt's radar and purchased the Spartan whereas the govt would have forced the C-295 in lieu?

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Give me a couple of hours and I'll fill you in - but out of this thread

I was being cryptic for a few reasons - sometimes it doesn't help to be that cryptic /smile on
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Hey guys,

I came across this in the F35 thread and I noticed that "officially" we are still penned down for 100 planes?
http://f-35.ca/wp-content/uploads/20...er-11-2012.pdf

Is this wishful thinking on my part that the full 100 planes is still a chance in the long run? Or just a basic overview of the program and I shouldn't read to much into it?
Wish we would though as I truly believe that the F35 is the coolest thing in the skies today!
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It has alway been around 100 but next year's white paper could change things. I would be surprised if we ended up with the full hundred.
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Hey guys,

I came across this in the F35 thread and I noticed that "officially" we are still penned down for 100 planes?
http://f-35.ca/wp-content/uploads/20...er-11-2012.pdf

Is this wishful thinking on my part that the full 100 planes is still a chance in the long run? Or just a basic overview of the program and I shouldn't read to much into it?
Wish we would though as I truly believe that the F35 is the coolest thing in the skies today!
It's always been "up to 100". Not necessarily exactly 100.

About 100 aircraft is what would be needed to equip 4x RAAF operational squadrons, it's Operational Conversion Unit/s plus provide attrition and test and development aircraft.

At present we use 95x aircraft to fulfill these requirements.

JSF if all tranches are approved will similarly be around the 95-100 mark.
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one of the latest articles in defence news states to the effect of, "no reduction in capability, just delays."
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