RAAF F-111 replacement: F-15's?

Supe

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Is the RAAF wholly committed to a one plane solution to perform existing and future roles? I was thinking that a RAAF aquisition of F-15's similar to South Korean/Singaporean spec could fill the void left by the F-111's.

Edit: Can admin fix the gaffe in the title? There should be a space between RAAF and F-111. Cheers.
 
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Big-E

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Supe said:
Is the RAAF wholly committed to a one plane solution to perform existing and future roles? I was thinking that a RAAF aquisition of F-15's similar to South Korean/Singaporean spec could fill the void left by the F-111's.

Edit: Can admin fix the gaffe in the title? There should be a space between RAAF and F-111. Cheers.
Why would they replace their attack/bombers with a tactical superiority fighter? On top of that they have already committed to the JSF. To integrate the training, maintenance, and support costs would be enormous on an already tight budget.
 
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Aussie Digger

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We are wholly committed to 1 platform, only insofar as the Government (and RAAF on it's behalf) have committed so much politically to the JSF. Other options DO exist, whether RAAF will publicly admit it or not. Personally I think the JSF should be THE main combat platform for RAAF heading in to the future.

I'd like to see something replace the F-111's immediately however. I am not at all convinced that our current fleet HUG Bug's are the answer, particularly with so many of them going offfline to get new centre barrels (43 out of a fleet of 71).

No matter how long the range of the missiles they carry (when they are not in the workshop), there is only so many platforms, to perform an enormous number of tasks. Pensioning off 30 odd platforms that conduct the majority of strike missions for ADF, is hardly "bolstering" our strike capability.:rolleyes:

F/A-18's armed with JASSM and supported by tankers may very well be able to strike further than our current F-111's can. They can't conduct their primary A2A mission (or any other) at the same time though.

Only by acquiring an additional number of aircraft can the RAAF hope to be able to maintain the ability to conduct concurrent operations, that it possesses now.
 

Magoo

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Aussie Digger said:
No matter how long the range of the missiles they carry (when they are not in the workshop), there is only so many platforms, to perform an enormous number of tasks. Pensioning off 30 odd platforms that conduct the majority of strike missions for ADF, is hardly "bolstering" our strike capability.:rolleyes:
This is part of the misconception that we face. Although we have '30-odd' F-111s in service (35 to be exact), eight of these are permanently grounded F-111G 'hangar queen' hulks, another six are operational F-111Gs which, although they enjoy a relatively good rate of availability, can only be employed operationally as 'dumb' bombers, or at a pinch as 'smart' bombers if 'buddied' with a Pave Tack-equipped F-111C. They can't employ Harpoon or AGM-142.

Of the 21 F-111Cs we have left (which are our only real precision 'strike' assets), four of which are Recce jets which can't carry Pave Tack (and therefore can't drop and laze their own LGBs), we have at best 12 of these available at any one time. So our 30-odd strike patforms are at best, less than half that number, and that's assuming we can crew them up too!

People need to realise that we no longer require a direct replacement for the F-111, as neither the political nor strategic requirements exist any more. The F-111's range has, for over a decade, been limited to that of the Hornet because there's no way we were going to send it downtown Jakarta or New Delhi or Beijing (or wherever the threat du jour is) without a heavily armed Hornet escort. What we DO require is an aircraft which can perform precision strike and control of the air equally well, and if a strategic requirement materialises in the future, we have tankers which can get them out further without the need for an escort.

As for replacing the F-111 with F-15s as has been suggested on another thread...why? That would give us the headache of a) having to transition to another type and b) a platform which, although it can self-escort, isn't all that much more capable in real terms.

JSF is the RIGHT way to go, not F-22, not F-15, not Eurofighter, and because it's now too late, not an interim type. If Phase 3 of AIR 5376 goes to plan, the HUGged Hornets with JASSM, JDAM, datalinks, new EWSPs, tankers (Is 5 enough? Probably not - i'd like to see 8-10!), Wedgetail, JORN, Vigilare will do the job. In the meantime, 82WG will have a planned and controlled draw down of the F-111 and then convert to the JSF over a 3-4 year period, and be back up and running from mid 2014. Once the JSF is sorted and the Block 2 software and hardware is in place from mid 2015, the Hornets can be drawn down and retired gracefully.

Magoo
 
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