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Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions

This is a discussion on Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions within the Air Force & Aviation forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by aaaditya seems pakistan airforce is once again interested in qatari mirages. PAKISTAN OFFERS MILITARY GOODS TO QATAR ...


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Old August 25th, 2005   #301
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seems pakistan airforce is once again interested in qatari mirages.

PAKISTAN OFFERS MILITARY GOODS TO QATAR
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ABU DHABI [MENL] -- Pakistan has resumed a drive to enter the military market in Qatar.

Pakistani and industry sources said Islamabad has offered to sell a range of air, ground and naval platforms and equipment to Qatar's military. They said Pakistan has also expressed strong interest in purchasing Qatar's fleet of Mirage 2000-5 fighter-jet fleet.

"Qatar has made enormous progress in recent years and we want to contribute towards Qatar's development," Pakistani Chief of Staff Gen. Ihsan Al Haq said.

Al Haq has been conducting a four-day visit to Qatar in which he discussed a range of military cooperation. He said Pakistan has sought to embark on defense and military joint ventures.

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Military equipment has been offered to almost every ME country by Pakistan. Pakistan chose to enter export market & offered military equipements it makes to friendly Countries. Qatar is not unique but part of that offer. KSA & UAE are alreasy buying Pakistani equipments. KSA is to buy Al-Khalid MBT aswell.

Since you have posted it in aviation forums I'll only say that Pakistan might have offered K-8 trainers.

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Pakistan has also expressed strong interest in purchasing Qatar's fleet of Mirage 2000-5 fighter-jet fleet.
Last time I checked we backed off. The PAF guy who realy wanted Mirage2000s to replace Mirage3/5 in Karachi backed of in favor of F-16s to be stationed there.

If Qataris are re-offering than that means India is walking away after giving the highest bid. This would become swere diplomatic break down between Qatar & India.
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how many are they offering? if they offer it at a good price then pakistan should take them just to get the feel of them in pakistani territory. then we could buy newwer ones from france if we like them. but if not then gripen all the way!!!
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how many are they offering? if they offer it at a good price then pakistan should take them just to get the feel of them in pakistani territory. then we could buy newwer ones from france if we like them. but if not then gripen all the way!!!
I was told that PAF has compeletly phased out Mirage2000 series after US allowed F-16 sell. PAF is more in favor of Gripens as well as Defence Ministry.
Even if we are to get Qatari Mirage2000 I doubt we'll by newer ones to add to them. But perhaps 2nd hands from whom ever & when ever sold. But I doubt it.
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I was told that PAF has compeletly phased out Mirage2000 series after US allowed F-16 sell. PAF is more in favor of Gripens as well as Defence Ministry.
Even if we are to get Qatari Mirage2000 I doubt we'll by newer ones to add to them. But perhaps 2nd hands from whom ever & when ever sold. But I doubt it.
Gripens uses US engines if we are not having any problem in accessing US AC's then why we should try to go for gripens.Why shoudnt PAF try F-18's take them also in 15-25 quantity they are gonna do good work.
I also doubt that PAF would go for 2nd hand Mirage 2000's if this was the case then pakistan should have increased the bid but if India is trying to escape then this would create diplomatic break (this shows that India only tried to increase the bid)
SABRE can you tell me that why French AC's are named like this e.g Mirage,Rafale these names are islamic are they that much impressed form muslim related things (this thing is really confusing me )
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how many are they offering? if they offer it at a good price then pakistan should take them just to get the feel of them in pakistani territory. then we could buy newwer ones from france if we like them. but if not then gripen all the way!!!
12 in all. 9 fighters 3 trainers. Obviously they are used mirages so prices will be low. It would be great if they join our naval mirage force which is currently facing harriars and MiG-29s.
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12 in all. 9 fighters 3 trainers. Obviously they are used mirages so prices will be low. It would be great if they join our naval mirage force which is currently facing harriars and MiG-29s.
Thats just what i had in mind Oqaab . these would do a great job for navy patrol and martime role. they would help our subs, P-3C orions and ships from both ground and air threats.
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Thats just what i had in mind Oqaab . these would do a great job for navy patrol and martime role. they would help our subs, P-3C orions and ships from both ground and air threats.
P.A.F dont you want to include the new baby Babur they are gonna keep the Indian AC carriers and ships 500km away from the coast
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P.A.F dont you want to include the new baby Babur they are gonna keep the Indian AC carriers and ships 500km away from the coast
the babur can be fitted onto the Qatari Mirage 2000-5s or P-3C . No seriously, i think these aircraft would be valuable additions if PAF goes for them provided there offered at a good value.
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SABRE can you tell me that why French AC's are named like this e.g Mirage,Rafale these names are islamic are they that much impressed form muslim related things (this thing is really confusing me )
...hehehe...lols..heavens no.

I think you are confused between Mirage & Mehraj, Rafale & Rafail.

Mirage = Reflection (of water mostly) which you see on roads but when u go closer it disapprears.

Rafale= Burst.
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the babur can be fitted onto the Qatari Mirage 2000-5s or P-3C . No seriously, i think these aircraft would be valuable additions if PAF goes for them provided there offered at a good value.
No P.A.F i didnt mean to say that they were going to be fitted onto the Mirages i wanted to add in the defence capebility of Pakistan.

they would help our subs, P-3C orions and ships from both ground and air threats.

this was what you wrote i mean to say that you should have added babur in this category
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...hehehe...lols..heavens no.

I think you are confused between Mirage & Mehraj, Rafale & Rafail.

Mirage = Reflection (of water mostly) which you see on roads but when u go closer it disapprears.

Rafale= Burst.
Yaar i thought that that Mirage in which our Prophet went to Mirage on Pegasus I thought that that Mirage was so fast that it consumed little time so French inspired from that and they named their plane "Mirage " I have read this word written on TV screen and the spellings were the same and they were discussing the Mirage which i have written above

And there is a name in Muslims "Rafeh" i dont know what does it mean i think there is also a name "Rafale " so i just thought that French are totally inspired
Sooo wasnt that the case
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Yaar i thought that that Mirage in which our Prophet went to Mirage on Pegasus I thought that that Mirage was so fast that it consumed little time so French inspired from that and they named their plane "Mirage " I have read this word written on TV screen and the spellings were the same and they were discussing the Mirage which i have written above

And there is a name in Muslims "Rafeh" i dont know what does it mean i think there is also a name "Rafale " so i just thought that French are totally inspired
Sooo wasnt that the case
Its not Mirage, its Mehraj on what Prophet (PBUH) went & Mehraj was a travel. It was Buraq (horse like animal with wings and ability to talk) that took him to skies & it was Buraq who consumed little time, flew faster then lightning. I doubt Dessault has even herd of it. Mirage= Reflection bro.

Rafeh & Rafale. There is a big difference of "L" & placement of "E" ...

Thats not the case bro. Dont get confused again.

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12 in all. 9 fighters 3 trainers. Obviously they are used mirages so prices will be low. It would be great if they join our naval mirage force which is currently facing harriars and MiG-29s.
Yup thats the case. The navy support fleet of Mirage-3 in karachi wants Mirage2000 series but I herd they moved away from it. Probably JF-17 for them instead.
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Folks, lets get back to the topic. This is not "french fighter jet name scheme thread."
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[ Admin Edit: Is this Indian airforce discussion? No! So, lets keep it Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions. Which aircraft India rejected and which it has accepted belongs in its own thread not here. Check announcement forum for a goodie! ]
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Hello,

I believe that the Q mirages would end up in pakistan with a little bit of initiative and foresight from pakistan. They are the best weapons carrying systems that the paf can get right away without any delay. Here is a platform that can compete with any weapons of the advesary on equal basis.
If we get the F16's blk 50, they maybe 2 years away once the order is placed. So, till then what we got to show! Bravado aside---not much I would say.

Q mirage is an instant force multiplier for the PAF. PAF would have a platform that could be used for instant combat training against an actual real time enemy combat plane.

These Q mirages would also make or break the setup of the PAF.

Real time combat training against these aircraft in red and blue type excercises would show as to how good the rest of the PAF planes are against these mirages. There is nothing like facing the real thing.

You can create all kinds of scenarios and have as great a gung ho attitude as you may, but until you come face to face with the real thing, you would never know.

The low tech would always lose to high tech unless there is a stupidity factor that needs to be taken into consideration.

I just read a book a couple of days ago in which a chinese general says if he could only have 10 high tech weapon systems as good as the the ones that americans have over his 100 mid-range mid tech systems.
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