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China's upcoming 1st 5th generation stealth fighter will have no canards and the design resembles much more of a F-22 than you actually would think. The thrust nozzles might look more conventionally but it will have no canards. The J-XX is at the start of its development and hard to forsee how it would perform in 2015 or later. But it is estimated that the J-XX would be more advanced than the EF Typhoon but less than the F/A-22 Raptor. It might closely like a mix of the F-35 JSF and the EF Typhoon when Shenyang succeeds to produce the J-XX as China's most advanced fighter jet while keeping it at a "relatively" low price for a 5th gen fighter (maybe between 80-120 mio.US$ per unit) compared to a Raptor's 250 mio.US$!
Well MiG is part of the J-10 project. The 1.42/1.44/Twin engine J-10 is going to the PLAN for their aircraft carrier AKA J-10C. J-XX is being worked on by the company that makes the J-11. So its two different projects. J-10C for Navy and J-XX for 5th Gen Fighter
Right two different projects by two different companies
The project J-10C, possibly a twin engine version of the J-10 for the PLAN to become China's first indigeniously built carrier jet is under development or even construction by Chengdu. It is still unclear whether it will have vector thrust nozzles like the Su-37 Terminator or not. The J-10C would become a direct counterpart to the current F/A-18E Super Hornet.
The project J-XX by Shenyang, either designated as J-12, J-13 or even J-14?, will become China's first 5th gen fighter for its PLAAF. It might be more a air superiority fighter while the F/A-22 Raptor is more of an allrounder although it was meant to be an air superiority fighter when it was still the YF-22. But things might also change for China's J-XX since nowadays fighter jets usually are designed to have both good air-to-air and air-to-ground capabilities. But jets like the French Rafale or the JSF are like 60% A2G and 40% A2G. If China really intends to obtain and get the license to assemble the Su-33 Carrier Flanker (in the case they want to field an aircraft carrier within the next 10 years), those Su-33 might be designated as J-12 while the J-XX more likely to be designated J-14 if they get the license for the Su-35 Super Flanker or even the Su-37 Terminator as J-13.
But this is just my personal theory of future designation of PLAAF jets. So please don't blame me if the PLAAF and PLAN has other plans
According to the reports of the Jane's Defence Weekly, China has already launched its next generation stealthy fighter aircraft programme, and Shenyang Aircraft Industry Co. (SAC) has been selected to head research and development of a new fighter for the PLA Air Force (PLAAF).
PROGRAMME
According to the report from Jane's, development of the subsystems including the engine and weapon suite for the next generation fighter, which was codenamed by the Western intelligence as J-XX, has been underway for some time. Images of the concepts show a twin-engine aircraft sharing some design traits with Lockheed Martin's stealthy F/A-22 "Raptor" multirole fighter such as the internal carriage of its weapons.
Not too much public information about the programme is available at the moment. The aircraft, which could be designated as J-13 or J-14, is still going through initial concept work, the same stage as the USAF Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF) programme in the early 1980s, which later led to the F/A-22 Raptor. Sources within China's confirmed that the SAC is looking at a twin-engine, single-seat, single vertical tale fin design, but other design proposals has yet been ruled out.
As China has developed close ties with Russia's aerospace industry and has license produced many planes of formal Soviet designs, it can be predicted that the J-XX would include some, if not many Russian technologies and designs. China has been offered a 'joint development and production' of a new fifth-generation fighter by Russia -LFI. Russia has been trying to sell this concept both to China and India for some time, but neither of them has committed fully yet. According to Russian resources, the LFI will be able to counter U.S. second fifth-generation Joint Strike Fighter (JSF).
Stealth and thrust vectoring are two must-have features in all aircraft being designed in the 21st century. If is not clear that how much progress Chinese designers have made in these areas, and Chinese aircraft industry may have to take Western/Israeli/Russian helps to make the J-XX truly fouth-generation (or fifth-generation using the Russian standards). Once introduced, the J-12's immediate rival will be U.S. F/A-22, JSF and India's MCA (Medium Combat Aircraft).
A possible design proposal for China’s next generation stealthy fighter aircraft. The design resembles certain design features of the U.S. F/A-22. The real design may differ significantly.
A possible design proposal for China’s next generation stealthy fighter aircraft. The design resembles certain design features of the U.S. F/A-22. The real design may differ significantly.
As the picture's subtitle says, it's a proposal made in 1993. As far as I know there were more than a dozen of design proposals submitted to PLAAF before year 2000, and none of them were accepted. Currently only designs up to 93 were leaked out. I am yet to see any designs after 94, apart from fan arts.
Those photo just some assumed shape of J-XX .You can find a lot of assumed J-XX's photos in chinese forum,but nobody can tell you which is the real one.
The pics we can find on the internet are either fanfics, PS images or early sketches of the J-XX. We only know that China's first 5th generation stealth fighter is a medium (if not heavy) combat aircraft designed by Shenyang being a twin-seater and twin engine stealth fighter with twin tail fins. The design has no canards and "might have" its similarities with the F/A-22, F-15 and F/A-18F Super Hornet.
We don't know how many missiles it can carry and what powerplant it would have etc.
This J-XX story is certainly exciting but I was thinking: Now that Russia and India will jointly develop a production version of Su-47 (Berkut) that I understand will fill the same role as the J-XX which is to face some oposition to F-22, Wouldn't China want a piece of that cake and its benefits instead of developing an ATF from scratch? I mean such a programme will be terribly expensive and will not deliver the capability China needs any time soon, it happened to the US, it happened to Russia alone. To become a partner in the Su-47 may be better? I'm sure China would be more than welcome in that partenrship, and the plane would become a lot cheaper and hit the runways faster for the three nations.
I guess China wants to become more independent when talking about developping their stuff including military technologies.
India has shown interests too to develop their own fighters speaking of the LCA and MCA while China's first indigenious design was the J-8 Finback. Many Westerners claim that the newly introduced J-10 is just a LAVI copy, but it isn't since the LAVI only served as an inspiration for the blueprint stage. The J-10 by Chengdu is the result of LAVI, J-9(which never entered production), analyzing a F-16A lent from Pakistan, Russian assistance in powerplant and attack radar and the development of Chengdu's own engineers.
The J-XX will not likely become China's airforce backbone since it would be too expensive having a warplane with an unit cost of around 60-80 mio.USD. We will most likely see more J-10A and J-10C coming out the factories than J-XX. In the US they also won't introduce that many Raptors (~150-200) but much more JSF (~1500-2000). The only thing Chinese might need help from the Russian design bureau might be the powerplants and radar techs for its J-XX.
But there have been unconfirmed info that China is assisting Russia financially in developping parts needed for 5th gen fighter jets. So I guess there might be a covert deal between China and Russia.
Both China and India have the biggest population and it is neccesary that both nations must modernize its military forces to establish a solid defensive capability against any possible threat. Asia has been bullied a lot in the 19th and early 20th century, so we need to invest in our national security.
Its like the J-10 and the F-22 had a love child. But seriously I think its difficult to have some concrete shape of the secret J-xx...hence lots of artist impressions flying around.
Hi, I am new here and I know the topic had been far. Just wana give an opinion of mine regarding the statement above.
I wont be surprise that it looks like a F-22 as the chinese don actually boders how it looks. No doubt that the design of a F-22 is been proved to be a great success, it is wise to jump straight onto it.
Hi, I am new here and I know the topic had been far. Just wana give an opinion of mine regarding the statement above.
I wont be surprise that it looks like a F-22 as the chinese don actually boders how it looks. No doubt that the design of a F-22 is been proved to be a great success, it is wise to jump straight onto it.
Any same thought here?
I agree it will be a total ripoff of F-22, I have found somewhere pics of a chineese 5th generation fighter flying over some city and i will post it soon.
I read that actualy two seperate Chineese 5th generation fighter projects exists under development but Im not sure are they going to accept both (one cheapen to make up the numbers and other more sophisticated) or are they going to choose only one. Theirs economy is booming and money is not a problem.
if the PLAAF and PLAN has other plans 
