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Old February 28th, 2016   #16
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The KC390 has returned to flight testing after a halt due to government funding problems. Brazil has 28 on order with a further confirmed 32 international orders.
I can't help thinking that the KC-390 will become the aircraft of choice for those looking for similar or better performance than the C-130J in a more modern and efficient airframe. One to watch for sure
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I can't help thinking that the KC-390 will become the aircraft of choice for those looking for similar or better performance than the C-130J in a more modern and efficient airframe. One to watch for sure
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Embraer bid their KC-390 for the Canadian FWSAR program whereas LM declined to bid their C-130J. Although it has to be considered a real underdog at this stage, it would be a real prize for Embraer's marketing efforts.
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The attached link is somewhat dated but never-the-less is an interesting discussion about EW with regards to Prowlers and Growlers along with some other stuff.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/con...arf-1694954599
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Embraer bid their KC-390 for the Canadian FWSAR program whereas LM declined to bid their C-130J. Although it has to be considered a real underdog at this stage, it would be a real prize for Embraer's marketing efforts.
I have pretty high hopes for Embraer, I see them as becoming one of the first ports-of-call for LatAm and a serious supplier in SEA/ME due to the lack of political interference in the future.
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I have pretty high hopes for Embraer, I see them as becoming one of the first ports-of-call for LatAm and a serious supplier in SEA/ME due to the lack of political interference in the future.
Perhaps if Canada's DND and Bombardier along with some political backing had chosen to develop a twin jet military transport along the lines of the KC-390 instead of the C-Series, Bombardier's situation might be better. Then again the family mismanagement likely would have doomed such a project as well.

Based on specifications and price the KC-390 seems like an attractive choice but given political BS with Bombardier this choice will extremely difficult. The C-27J is DND previous preference.
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Bell Helicopter have ruled out any further design work in conventional military helicopter configurations. They instead intend to concentrate on high speed rotary wing designs because that is where they believe that military rotary wing craft are heading. Hence, the UH1Y Venom and the AH1Z Viper are their final conventional military helicopter designs.
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It appears that the US DEA have modelled their military aviation procurement processes on the Canadian model. In 2008 they acquired an ATR42-500, costing US$22 million, for the express purpose of converting it into an ISR, or similar platform, as part of its effort in combating Afghanistan's drug trade. The aircraft was supposed to be FOC in 2012. A further US$65 million later, the aircraft has yet to leave the ground. This is apparently a joint project with the Pentagon.
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This link details the extent of the A400M engine problem. Lucky for Airbus that most customers don't have any real options for cancelling.
A400M: Airbus Confirms That 48 Engines Have Cracks; GE, maker of reduction gear, confirms that all clockwise-turning engines are affected
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As Airbus and Boeing struggle with the A400M and KC-46, perhaps both should have been scrapped. The US and Europe could then have negotiated a KC-45/C17 production swap.
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As Airbus and Boeing struggle with the A400M and KC-46, perhaps both should have been scrapped. The US and Europe could then have negotiated a KC-45/C17 production swap.
Never happen. US & Euro pork barrel politics. Euro govts also have to much invested in the A400M. Also the A400M and the C17 have different capability sets. Mind you if Boeing was to look at a baby C17, say around the 40 tonne mark
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The German govt are giving some thought to a limited joint C130 fleet with allies. This because they are having air lift problems due to A400M delays, Transall obsolescence, plus the Luftwaffe's push for a platform smaller than the A400M due to the A400m's shortcomings that have been highlighted in Mali, where the Bundswehr are currently operating alongside the French.
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What shortcomings have shown up in Mali?
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What shortcomings have shown up in Mali?
I was paraphrasing the article and according to that it appears that the aircraft is heavy.
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Never happen. US & Euro pork barrel politics. Euro govts also have to much invested in the A400M. Also the A400M and the C17 have different capability sets. Mind you if Boeing was to look at a baby C17, say around the 40 tonne mark
At some point epic fail may cancel out pork barrel politics (I'd like to think so anyway). Germany is getting close to this point. I agree that the C-17 needs a companion. Perhaps the KC390 and C-17 could have been that companion. Too late now.
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I was paraphrasing the article and according to that it appears that the aircraft is heavy.
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The German air force is pushing for a transport aircraft smaller than the Airbus A400M for operations on small and poorly fortified airfields. The deployment of Bundeswehr troops in the North African country of Mali has shed light on the shortcomings of the relatively heavy A400M in adverse conditions.
So, it has the same shortcoming as the C-17, but to a lesser extent. It's a bigger & heavier aeroplane than a C-130 - which is bigger & heavier than a Transall, which is bigger & heavier than a C-27, which is bigger & heavier than . . . . & so on. So there are cases where a smaller aircraft would have advantages over each of these, just as there are cases where a smaller aircraft wouldn't be able to do the job.

That's an argument for not having just one size of transport aircraft. It's not an argument against the A400M, or anything else the same size such as the C-2, any more than the ability of the A400M to get into & out of airstrips that the C-17 can't means the C-17 is useless.
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