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KC-X goes to Northrop/EADS

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Old March 20th, 2010   #196
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Statement From Northrop Grumman on U.S. Air Force Aerial Refueling Tanker Program (NYSE:NOC)

"We have decided that Northrop Grumman will not protest. While we feel we have substantial grounds to support a GAO or court ruling to overturn this revised source selection process, America's service men and women have been forced to wait too long for new tankers. We feel a deep responsibility to their safety and to their ability to fulfill the missions our nation calls upon them to perform. Taking actions that would further delay the introduction of this urgent capability would also not be acting responsibly. "

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Did the "we" include EADS?

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In a short 12 days later....

EADS North America - Tanker Activity Update

An important prerequisite for our consideration of entry into this competition will be a significant extension to the period within which to prepare and submit a proposal. EADS welcomes the DoD’s recent statement which indicated a willingness to extend the timeframe.
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hehe... Russia want to bid on the contract now.

Russian Firm to Bid on Air Force Tanker Program - WSJ.com

France24 - Russian state firm to bid for US tanker contract

Russians to bid on U.S. air-tanker contract: WSJ - MarketWatch
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You beat me to it. By 29 minutes no less. Nice.

Anyways, when I saw it I was like O.O too.... but then the details apparently put the UAC in cooperation with an un-named American company. In other words, they may end up simply supplying parts, or maybe airframes, with another company putting together the final stuff.

Then again, after the NATO renting An-124s to supply the mission in Afghan, anything's possible.

http://lenta.ru/news/2010/03/20/oak/
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Smart move by Ilyushin with benefits to DoD.

EADS can no longer play the sole source contract card. I see this as yet another blow to EADS. Further, Europe's argument of restrictive US procurement practices runs hollow when even Russia can compete.

Politically, it sends a signal just how far detente between US and Russia has come. From commie enemy to potential supplier.

Even if the Il-96 has zero chance of success of getting the contract, DoD could reciprocate or be forced to acknowledge/validate certain features that could affect other comps eg in India/China where image matters. The prestige of even able to compete in this project already boosts the image of the company. Its a sign of growing confidence in Russia of its own product's international marketability.

At the same time, the russkis can have a direct first hand experience with a procurement process that they don't need to spy upon and possibly adopt best practices within Russia.

btw, doesn't one of the models of the Il-96 operate with PW engines?

The expected Boeing win will go down well with the populace as "beating" the commies, yet another time (on US soil), whilst politically, the russkis can argue that they're good enough to take the battle to US home ground. Win-win.
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United Aircraft Corporation going for KC-X bid?

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Russian government company, United Aircraft Corporation
UAC
plans on participating in the RFP bid for the KC-X project for the US Airforce. This was revealed to Agence France-Presse the lawyer representing the corporation. This should be officially announce on Monday.

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Lenta.ru: Оружие: ОАК поучаствует в конкурсе на создание заправщиков для ВВС США
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Is Monday April 1st? It isnt right???

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Russian government company, United Aircraft Corporation
UAC
plans on participating in the RFP bid for the KC-X project for the US Airforce. This was revealed to Agence France-Presse the lawyer representing the corporation. This should be officially announce on Monday.

translate at your discretion

Lenta.ru: Оружие: ОАК поучаствует в конкурсе на создание заправщиков для ВВС США
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This has already been mentioned in the tanker deal thread. Merging.

EDIT: I knew it was too strange to be true. UAC representatives claim that nothing of the sort is in the works. They were allegedly approached by unreliable US intermediaries but have no decision was made.

Additionally, the Il-98 that was supposed to be entered doesn't even exist. What does exist is the Il-96 which is a passenger/cargo plane (different variants). The Il-98 is a proposed tanker derivative. Finally sources indicate that the UAC is not capable of producing the necessary aircraft in the given timeframe in the first place. (nevermind completing the design, experimentation, and testing of the new tanker).

http://lenta.ru/news/2010/03/22/tender/

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In a few ways that's too bad. The IL-96 is one of the few currently produced 4 engined large aircraft without being overly large. Something like that should appeal to the USAF since they seem to like leaning toward the 4 engine heavies, especially in so crucial a role such as this.


I've seen what i feel though: it's a shame the Hill doesn't truly care about the people who will need it, they just seem to care about the costs and construction and the like. I do so love the spirit of trade and everything, but i can't help but harken back to the 'good old days' when the in-country manufacturers would've either fought it out amongst themselves or one of the traditional 'heavy' producers would've just submitted the design and the AF would've ran with it. Now they can't even let it go until a foreign manufacturer gets in so it can be 'fair'. Meanwhile the current fleet just gets older and their crews have to suffer through it.
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EDIT: I knew it was too strange to be true. UAC representatives claim that nothing of the sort is in the works. They were allegedly approached by unreliable US intermediaries but have no decision was made....
The US lawyer who claims to have been approached fits that description exactly. He is a very unreliable character.
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Would've been pretty remarkable if it turned out to be true.

EDIT: And the allegedly UAC docs submitted for the tender are fake.

http://lenta.ru/news/2010/03/24/kcx/

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