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Jf-17 thunder block-2 is under construction in real ????

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Old July 8th, 2012   #76
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Korean FA-50 is roughly on the same price range as well.

Then there are relatively "newer" 2nd-hand planes such as UAE's Mirage 2k-9 planes reportedly being pitched at only around 20 million euros each. Qatar is also actively selling their 12 Mirage 2k-5.

There are far more better and safer alternatives at that price range to the JF-17.
After reading about the JF-17, its not even that good of a plane..compared to other planes in its class.

Since they want to put it in the 4.5 gen class, compared to others it has weak avionics and old engines...

I can now see why Pakistan is the only nation that so far has purchased it
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After reading about the JF-17, its not even that good of a plane..compared to other planes in its class.

Since they want to put it in the 4.5 gen class, compared to others it has weak avionics and old engines...

I can now see why Pakistan is the only nation that so far has purchased it
It maybe a good plane for some third world Air force who's trying to get a decent fighter. It may not meet western or Russian standards, but to a third world country, it may be a fighter for them.

Also, how many third world countries would ya be betting the JF-17 be flying for.
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It maybe a good plane for some third world Air force who's trying to get a decent fighter. It may not meet western or Russian standards, but to a third world country, it may be a fighter for them.

Also, how many third world countries would ya be betting the JF-17 be flying for.
A lot of 3rd world countries cant afford 4.5 gen planes...

However if what I read in Google is correct(and please correct me if I'm not) the JF-17 Block 2 is roughly the same price as the Mig-35

And the Mig-35 can out perform the JF-17 in a lot of categories, plus if you have the JF-17, the parts are coming from 2 countries, with the Mig it all comes from the same place

So if I was a 3rd world country that needed an advanced fighter for cheap I would go with the Mig-35..
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After reading about the JF-17, its not even that good of a plane..compared to other planes in its class.

Since they want to put it in the 4.5 gen class, compared to others it has weak avionics and old engines...

I can now see why Pakistan is the only nation that so far has purchased it
For any country operating ancient MiG-21, f-4, a-4 or Mirage f-1, Jf-17 offers a decent and cheap upgrade, but the light fighter market is insanely overcrowded, especially since it has been infiltrated by combat trainers. So apart from Jf-17 you have

Upper end:
F-16 and Gripen NG

Mid segment
Tejas, T-50, second hand Gripens, f-16 and Mirage-2000

Combat trainers
L-15, Yak-130, M-346, JL-8

So you have products of higher quality and products that are cheaper just a few million up and down. Some of them are mature and battle proven (F-16, Mirage 2000), others have a distinct development road-map ahead of them (Tejas, Golden Eagle, Gripen and even Yak-130) and others offer advantages like training a generation of pilots while providing basic minimum combat capabilities.
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Cheapness is not the be all requirement even if your a 3rd world country. It has to be safe and reliable as well. There would always be questions regarding the China/Pakistan JF-17 plane in terms of that. How about the quality of those Chinese weapons, radars and esp. the engines?

They have to compete with 2nd-hand planes as well. I'll tell you right now, they may be 3rd world countries but that doesn't mean they won't be weighing the pros and cons of buying unproven planes like the JF-17. Some would prefer getting 2nd-hand F-16s upgraded to block 50/52 at around $32M or so (Indonesia and Romania) or 2nd-hand French Mirages than buy unproven planes such as the JF-17.

African countries? Uganda and Ethiopia has been buying Russian SU-30 mk2s and Su-27s.

Also, recently Russia has been selling India's ex-SU-30Ks to be upgraded to KN standards for only $15M each. UAE selling their Mirage 2000-9 for less than $30M.

Between brand-new planes such as the Migs , FA-50s and Gripens and 2nd-hand proven planes such as F-16s and Mirages I don't see many lining-up for the JF-17.
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Their could be some African, central American or even South American countries who are in a buying mood and may want a cheap fighter that they can build upon. The JF-17 can fill a niche for curtain countries that don't have the cash for Western or Russian Hardware. Wouldn't the JF-17 equate to being the F-5 as a low cost cheap fighter. I could see the JF-17 replacing the J-7/F-7 Airguard for curtain countries such as Namibia, Nigeria,Zimbabwe or even Tanzania.
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Their could be some African, central American or even South American countries who are in a buying mood and may want a cheap fighter that they can build upon. The JF-17 can fill a niche for curtain countries that don't have the cash for Western or Russian Hardware. Wouldn't the JF-17 equate to being the F-5 as a low cost cheap fighter. I could see the JF-17 replacing the J-7/F-7 Airguard for curtain countries such as Namibia, Nigeria,Zimbabwe or even Tanzania.
Why will a country leaning towards the west buy such an unproven aircraft basically made in China? Are countries not sick of seeing everything from cheap toys loaded with lead, fish, clothes, and now a fighter aircraft from China? What is the reliability of this JF-17? Countries that will buy this aircraft may end up paying more in the long run because it is cheaply produced?
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Why will a country leaning towards the west buy such an unproven aircraft basically made in China? Are countries not sick of seeing everything from cheap toys loaded with lead, fish, clothes, and now a fighter aircraft from China? What is the reliability of this JF-17? Countries that will buy this aircraft may end up paying more in the long run because it is cheaply produced?
Their are countries that operated the J-7/F-7 Airguard could conceivably look at getting the JF-17 Thunder as a replacement.
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Notice that there hasn't been ANY JF-17 interest yet....

Not even from China and they make it..
It would be hilarious if China doesn't even want to have this plane in their inventory! I would venture to guess then that Pakistan will be the sole user? Thinking loudly, what is the reason the US is even providing Pakistan the F-16 when they're jointly manufacturing this aircraft with China?
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The F-16 came long before the JF-17 did, I dont think US sells weapons to Pakistan anymore
So this article saying the delivery of F-16's is old? Do you have any information whether the JF-17 is a reverse engineering from the F-16?

Pakistan to get new F-16 jets starting this month | NDTV.com
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So this article saying the delivery of F-16's is old? Do you have any information whether the JF-17 is a reverse engineering from the F-16?

Pakistan to get new F-16 jets starting this month | NDTV.com
Thats a new article, no doubt...

And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that is part of a F-16 deal that was signed a while back, and all the US is doing is fulfilling that order. However, I think those F-16's are the last US technology that Pakistan will see.

And thats also a great question, as we all know that China has never really demonstrated the ability to make a fighter 100% from scratch...
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Thats a new article, no doubt...

And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that is part of a F-16 deal that was signed a while back, and all the US is doing is fulfilling that order. However, I think those F-16's are the last US technology that Pakistan will see.

And thats also a great question, as we all know that China has never really demonstrated the ability to make a fighter 100% from scratch...
I believe that is an existing deal not a new contract

$5.1B Proposed Sales, Upgrades, Weapons Pakistan’s F-16s


On June 28/06, the US DSCA notified Congress via a series of releases of its intention to provide Pakistan with a $5.1 billion Foreign Military Sales package to upgrade the F-16s that serve as the PAF’s top of the line fighters. Some of these items had been put on hold following the October 2005 earthquake in Pakistan & Kashmir, but the request for 36 new F-16 Block 50/52s is now going ahead, along with new weapons, engine modifications, and upgrade kits for Pakistan’s older F-16 A/Bs. The buy went through, and was accompanied by the supply of 26 older F-16s from USAF surplus stocks.

I think you are right, this will be the last US technology they get, I would also guess the supply of spare parts will dry up in 2014.
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I think you are right, this will be the last US technology they get, I would also guess the supply of spare parts will dry up in 2014.
Probably why their starting to buy the JF-17



I forgot where I read it, but I could of sworn it said something about the F-16 deal being the last deal that US-Pakistan will do together...

And also last time I checked, the US usually does not do business with countries who do business with not so good standings with NATO

and Pakistan mainly deals with China, and Russia a little bit
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Probably why their starting to buy the JF-17



I forgot where I read it, but I could of sworn it said something about the F-16 deal being the last deal that US-Pakistan will do together...

And also last time I checked, the US usually does not do business with countries who do business with not so good standings with NATO

and Pakistan mainly deals with China, and Russia a little bit
I don't think Pakistan makes any mily deals with Russia, except for the JF-17 engine thing.
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The Il-78s are from Ukraine, not Russia, I don't know where they got the Mi-17s though. Could be Russia or some other es USSR state.
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