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This is a discussion on Indonesian Aero News within the Air Force & Aviation forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; From Kompas.com with google tranlate and picture from defense-studies blogspot: MANADO, KOMPAS.com - PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PT.DI) offers a national ...


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Old April 26th, 2010   #76
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DI Still Pursue Indigenous Small Commuter

From Kompas.com with google tranlate and picture from defense-studies blogspot:

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MANADO, KOMPAS.com - PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PT.DI) offers a national aircraft type N219 to the government of North Sulawesi province to facilitate communications in remote areas. Technology and Development Director Andi Alisjabana PT.DI in Manado, Monday (04/26/2010), said the aircraft type is suitable for the North Sulawesi because specially designed for short-haul flights and can land on unpaved runway in mountainous regions.

"N219 can replace the Twin Otter which is old and no longer manufactured," he told reporters on the socialization of investment facilitation and promotion of the development of Far 23 (Program N219). The price of this aircraft is only 3.8 million U.S. dollars (about USD 35 billion), can carry 19 passengers and still allows financed from local government funds.

Analysis of N219 plane operation in North Sulawesi-Manado route to Naha is 256 kilometers (km) distance traveled for an hour, with an estimated 80 percent of passengers (15 people), it can be operated with a ticket price of Rp 650,000 per passenger.

Characteristics such as aircraft N219, twin-engine 850 SHP each, certified on ketegori CASR 23 (commuter category), operation and maintenance costs are low, high and hot-enabled capability Airfield, simple and easy maintenance. "This aircraft has not been produced, there must be demand for approximately 30 new aircraft could be made, and an opportunity for local governments," he told reporters and added, aircraft ownership by local governments is possible because there are rules for that.
DI seems still set with it's goals for specialising in small-mid commuters/tranports. This projects has been initiated from 2004, however now DI's seems feel it's got momentum due to present administrations insistance for government (central and local) having indigeneous products when domestic manufactures already had the ability to produce such product.

This N 219 will sit slightly below C-212-400 Aviocar transport (which all the manufacturing facility has been transfered by EADS-Casa to DI last years). Thus with CN 235, C-212, and planned N-219, DI hope to gain enough momentum to specialise in that niche market.
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Additional Heli for TNI-Army

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Indonesia's army plans to add 24 utility helicopters, with Indonesian Aerospace and Bell Helicopter teaming for the pitch.

The army wants to have two squadrons of utility helicopters, totalling 24 aircraft, plus 18 attack helicopters, say industry sources.

For the utility helicopter requirement, state-owned aircraft-maker IAe is putting forward the Bell 412EP.

Indonesia's army has 31 412HP/SPs already in use, as listed in Flightglobal's HeliCAS database. IAe manufactured the airframes, which the army took delivery of between the late 1980s and the mid-1990s.

IAe plans to import the first batch of 412EPs in kit form, perform final assembly and be responsible for the installation of client equipment, industry sources say. However, it wants to also manufacture the fuselages for subsequent aircraft, they add.

Bell and IAe have already signed a memorandum of understanding, but have yet to sign a final contract, as some details need to be worked through. The army also has yet to sign a firm contract for the aircraft.

An enhanced performance version of the 412 with a dual digital automatic flight-control system, the EP uses a relatively old platform. However, one source notes that its advantage over rival AgustaWestland and Eurocopter product offerings is that some of the army's key decision-makers are familiar with the 412, having flown it in the past.
Sensing the political mode right now, the Bell 412 will be in advantage situations. The key word was IAe (DI) involvement in manufacturing. DI has significant experiences on producing 412, while the Army also has a lot experiences Bell's chopper date back from Vietnam era UH-1.

Standarding the Utility Helicopters with 412 clearly favourable. With this TNI-Army will only have to deal in the future with two kind of Helicopters logistics; 412 and Mi-17/Mi-35.
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I really hope the N219 project will become a reality.....
Thanks for the news Ananda!
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DI seems still set with it's goals for specialising in small-mid commuters/tranports. This projects has been initiated from 2004, however now DI's seems feel it's got momentum due to present administrations insistance for government (central and local) having indigeneous products when domestic manufactures already had the ability to produce such product.

This N 219 will sit slightly below C-212-400 Aviocar transport (which all the manufacturing facility has been transfered by EADS-Casa to DI last years). Thus with CN 235, C-212, and planned N-219, DI hope to gain enough momentum to specialise in that niche market.
About the N219. IAe really needs to really look on the forecast for airplanes in this size. As right now the Twin Otter is back in production (not as per quoted article) and costing less (at about USD3.2 mil each). Is it really worthwhile for the manufacturer bo build this on small volume and also the buyers of these planes to buy a unique airplane? What about the spareparts? Twin Otters sperparts are plentiful.

Anyway goodluck to IAe on the N219 project, and i hope my doubts will be proved wrong...
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About the N219. IAe really needs to really look on the forecast for airplanes in this size. As right now the Twin Otter is back in production (not as per quoted article) and costing less (at about USD3.2 mil each). Is it really worthwhile for the manufacturer bo build this on small volume and also the buyers of these planes to buy a unique airplane? What about the spareparts? Twin Otters sperparts are plentiful.
Personnaly I'm still a bit confused on the purpose for N 219. IAe/DI now hold the only facility left to build C-212 400. EADS/CASA already stated that C 212 was not efficient enough for them to continue manufactured, thus this is the reason for shifting productions to DI/IAe.

From what I gather in here N 219 capabilities was close enough to C 212. It's true this means as Twin Otter replacements. Still having two set of Aircraft manufacturing lines that show smiiliar capabilities, I don't know if this's the right move for IAe/DI.

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Jakarta (ANTARA News) - The government of Indonesia and the Republic of China agreed to strengthen cooperation for the training of pilots jet fighter Sukhoi TNI Air Force.

Cooperation strengthening exercises, became a topic of discussion in honor of visiting Vice Chairman Central Military Commission of China (Central Commission of The People Liberation Army / PLA) Gen Guo Boxing Yusgiantoro to the Minister of Defense in Jakarta on Friday.

Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Medhio I Wayan said, Indonesia has sent Sukhoinya train pilots in China in several stages.

"Already there are ten Air Force pilots who conduct simulation training in China in several stages," he said.

China is one of the largest operators Sukhoi fighter jets in addition to two pieces of state Soviet Union ie, Russia and Ukraine. Even now China has been appointed as one of the Sukhoi aircraft-producing countries.

Bamboo Curtain countries also have training centers such as the Sukhoi fighter aircraft with various variants such as SU-27 SU-30MK SK and used Army Air Force.

Some countries Sukhoi users are Indonesia, India, China, Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia, Algeria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, Peru and North Korea. (R018/A024
By coincidence this come not long after agreement between India and Malaysia for training Flankers pilot in India.
This make sense since Malaysian Flankers having more simmilarity with Indian ones, while TNI AU versions are more simmilar to Chinese ones.

Whether this will means possible used for Chinese Fighters by TNI AU still need to be seen. I doubt that Indonesia will be interested with Chinese versions of Flankers (J 11 B), due to considerations not burning the bridges with Russia, also TNI AU still reluctant to use Chinese Aircraft.

Still, there're voices in Parlements for TNI AU using J 10 to replace F 5 and F 16, due to simmilar engine with Flankers. This voices mostly comming from 'left' leaning parties, islamic parties, and parties that influences by old soeharto generals, which still harbour deep resentment with US.
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This make sense since Malaysian Flankers having more simmilarity with Indian ones, while TNI AU versions are more simmilar to Chinese ones.
If I'm not mistaken, the TNI-AU's Flankers were made by KNAAPO, similiar to China's. I'm not sure if Irkut has aever sold anything to China. Apart from maybe fitting a Western IFF, VHF/UHF radios and TACAN which is standard, I'll be very interested to know what modifications were done to the TNI-AU's Flankers. I like the camo scheme the TNI-AU has adopted for its Flankers....

Off topic but can China legally export it's J11s?
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If I'm not mistaken, the TNI-AU's Flankers were made by KNAAPO, similiar to China's. I'm not sure if Irkut has aever sold anything to China. Apart from maybe fitting a Western IFF, VHF/UHF radios and TACAN which is standard, I'll be very interested to know what modifications were done to the TNI-AU's Flankers. I like the camo scheme the TNI-AU has adopted for its Flankers....
From media in here, TNI AU versions made by Irkut, but with many similarity in specs with Chinese SU 30 MKK. Frankly speaking, with only limited number so far being acquired by TNI AU, I don't think they already put many 'western' modifications. The original order for SU 30 KI at Soeharto era (before asian financial crisis in 98) supposedly have many western avionics (with French's SAGEM as main suppliers).

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Good Questions, I put the possibility of Chinese offer of J 11 since 'unconfirmed' sources within the Min-Def already hinted that Chinese (even still in hush-hush mode) told our min-def that J 11 B has so many Chinese system, that they feel offering them for export should not create 'copy right' issues with the Russian. Still since they (Chinese) also keep this issue (export possibilities of J 11) on low profille, show that they're still unwilling to create further rift with Russia oncopy right issue.
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From media in here, TNI AU versions made by Irkut, but with many similarity in specs with Chinese SU 30 MKK. Frankly speaking, with only limited number so far being acquired by TNI AU, I don't think they already put many 'western' modifications. The original order for SU 30 KI at Soeharto era (before asian financial crisis in 98) supposedly have many western avionics (with French's SAGEM as main suppliers).



Good Questions, I put the possibility of Chinese offer of J 11 since 'unconfirmed' sources within the Min-Def already hinted that Chinese (even still in hush-hush mode) told our min-def that J 11 B has so many Chinese system, that they feel offering them for export should not create 'copy right' issues with the Russian. Still since they (Chinese) also keep this issue (export possibilities of J 11) on low profille, show that they're still unwilling to create further rift with Russia oncopy right issue.
china is not exporting J-11B from what I know due to many reasons and making relations worse with Russia is just one of them.

They are actually officially offering J-10 to the world now, I guess.
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china is not exporting J-11B from what I know due to many reasons and making relations worse with Russia is just one of them.

They are actually officially offering J-10 to the world now, I guess.
True, that's the official offer also to our Min-Def in here. This also one of the reasons why some voices in our Parlements wants TNI AU to get J 10 to replace both F 5 and F 16 latter on.

@Sturm, you also right on TNI AU version build by Knappo. Just take a look on media sources in here. Seems the First Batch come from Irkut, while the Second Batch from Knappo.
TNI AU order's still in small batch, thus seems Rosoboroexport put TNI AU batch piggy bank on any larger export batch in order. I could be wrong though.
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Frankly speaking, with only limited number so far being acquired by TNI AU, I don't think they already put many 'western' modifications. The original order for SU 30 KI at Soeharto era (before asian financial crisis in 98) supposedly have many western avionics (with French's SAGEM as main suppliers).
Well the up side is that they didn't have to fork out a tons and tons of cash for integration work, like what Malaysia had to do with it's MKMs. The TNI-AUs Flankers can still be described as a cost effective solution compared to buying a Western fighter. According to Dzirhan Mahadzir, the Russians were actually complaining that their profit margins were very low due to the large number of non-Russian gear specified by the RMAF. Ananda, have you heard anything from official sources or otherwise about whether the TNI-AU is happy so far with its Flankers? From a maintanence prespective, the lack of thrust vectors should make the TNI-AUs Flankers a easier to support and mantain than the MKMs.
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Ananda, have you heard anything from official sources or otherwise about whether the TNI-AU is happy so far with its Flankers? From a maintanence prespective, the lack of thrust vectors should make the TNI-AUs Flankers a easier to support and mantain than the MKMs.
So far, the only complain put by the Air Force related to the Flankers conditions was that the operational cost's much higher than the F 16 (nearly tripple per hour costs).
However they're so far quite happy with operational range capability and performances of the Flankers.

Early batch rumours having some problem, however seem's it's related with the spare parts procurements in which acquisitions practices was bit different with US made aircraft. Thus create some back log order on spare parts. However seems now it's been relative taking care off.
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Wuih! TNI Pesan Meriam Penangkis Swiss

INILAH.COM, Jakarta - Pasukan Khas TNI Angkatan Udara telah memesan meriam Penangkis Serangan Udara (PSU) terbaru jenis Oerlikon Contraves 35 mm buatan Swiss. Alat ini untuk memaksimalkan pengamanan pangkalan udara.

"Senjata ini untuk menggantikan PSU Triple Gun buatan 1950 yang telah lama digunakan TNI Angkatan Udara dan sebagian sudah disisihkan secara bertahap sejak 1990," kata Komandan Korps Paskhas TNI AU Marsekal Pertama TNI Harry Budiono di Jakarta, Rabu (16/9).

Ia menambahkan, PSU Oerlikon Contraves 35 mm telah digunakan di 40 negara tersebar di Asia dan Eropa. "Jika Indonesia serius berniat membelinya dan telah tandatangan kontrak, maka mereka baru akan membuatnya. Jadi, nanti kita mendapat barang baru," ujar Harry.

Selain PSU dari Swiss, Paskhas TNI AU juga akan meneruskan pengadaan radar rudal antipesawat QW-3 buatan China. "Kontrak sudah ada di Departemen Pertahanan. Kita akan beli tiga unit dan akan ditempatkan di Madiun dan Jakarta," imbuhnya.

Harry mengatakan, pengadaan sejumlah peralatan itu merupakan bagian dari Program Pengembangan Kekuatan (Propangkuat) TNI AU 2005-2009 yang karena keterbatasan anggaran maka baru dilanjutkan prosesnya pada Probangkuat 2009-2014.
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Paskhas juga tengah berupaya mendatangkan 4 baterai PSU jarak pendek berupa Oerlikon kaliber 35 mm untuk hanud titik model komposit yang sudah terintegrasi antara rudal, meriam, radar dan pos komando taktis. Senjata ini sudah menggunakan teknologi tercanggih dan telah digunakan oleh banyak negara Eropa. Menurut rencana, senjata PSU ini akan ditempatkan di 3 Lanud Utama TNI-AU. Salah satu kelebihan utama lainnya untuk PSU Oerlikon kaliber 35 mm ini adalah kemampuannya untuk dapat dimobilisasi dengan pesawat Hercules.
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Lattest report did not mentioned any cancellation on Oerlikon purchase. Should be still on track.
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South Korean & Indonesian Joint Fighthers Will Commence Soon ?

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Jakarta, Kompas - This year, Indonesia is expected to sign cooperation agreements with South Korea for the manufacture of fighter aircraft. Thus, Indonesia is expected to not be dependent on other countries in providing combat aircraft.

It was announced by the Secretary General of the Ministry of Defence Marshal Herryanto Erris, Wednesday (2 / 6). "Most likely this year has been signed," said Erris. Agreement for feasibility study signed last year.

Ministry of Defense receives the results of a feasibility study in July 2009. In the study mentioned, Indonesia is eligible to be partners on joint fighthers aircraft project. Specifications KFX fighter with a code is approximately located on the F-16, but under specification F-35.

According to Erris, the move represents an advance because not many countries that can make a fighter plane. Having a fighter plane factory, Indonesia will not rely anymore to other countries.

According to Erris, commitment issues and a detailed agreement being discussed. However, there is no noticeable difference. Is currently composed of semantically agreement between both parties. Erris can not specify some of the things stated in that agreement, including what will be obtained by Indonesia and what must be provided. "Obviously, we have PT Dirgantara Indonesia and experts," said Erris.

Needs of the proposed cost around 8 billion dollars the United States with a term of employment until the year 2020. In the year 2020 is expected to be put up five prototypes. Of the total budget, Indonesia is expected to bear 20 per cent. However, Erris said, there is no agreement about such financial.
This KFX according to South Korean sources was still under the discussion within South Korean MDF on final specifications from an advance versions of T/A-50 Golden Eagle or more larger derivatives.

This agreement above if being realise seems will put Indonesia as Junior Partner in KFX, somewhat in simmilarity with Pakistan on Chinese design JF-17.

If this agreement hold, sources from Air Forces stated the projected new fighthers (KFX) will aimed to replace minimum 4 sq of F-16, F-5, and Hawk 100/200. In the mean time stop gap of second hand F-16 or refurbishment of existing F-5 will be considered. Some unconfirmed sources even suggest that potential getting second hand F 5 from South Korea also under considerations for stop gap measures if KFX deal being commences.

Other news also From Kompas:

1. No final deal on replacements of OV-10 yet. Super Tucano still the Air Forces prefered, however MDF still considering. Other sources explore this due to thinking from Ministry of Defense for replacing Hawk Mk 53 and OV-10 with same type of Aircraft. Personally I will rejoices if Super Tucano deal was terminated . Under current TNI-AU conditions, no place for specialised COIN, and also this in line with the mode to reduces/simplfied the TNI-AU aircraft types for better maintanances logistics.
2. Another batch of Flankers expected to come on September this year. TNI-AU and MDF seems committed on Flankers for heavy fighthers sollutions.
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