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Old June 15th, 2011   #31
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What new heavy lift are you talking about? The Il-476?
Are there any specs available for the Ilyushin IL-476, is it only an advanced variant of IL-76; also are there any plans for new aircraft of this role planned by Russian firms ?

Looks like IAF is going for the C-17s in a big way, is too many too soon I wonder, but i guess its a good buy in terms of capabilities, however IAF's trust on the An-32s is still strong considering that the C-130s have only been ordered for Spec Ops
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India set to decide big military aircraft deals

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In an interview for India Strategic’s Paris Air Show edition, the Air Chief said that IAF had already finalized its choice for the combat helicopter while that of the utility helicopter had also been through with the Indian Army, which is the lead buyer in this case. IAF will follow and buy the same helicopter.

As for the heavy lift helicopter, “the final report can be expected within the few days,” he said
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Boeing’s Apache AH 64D and the Russian Mi 28NE are the two contenders in the race for combat helicopters while Boeing’s Chinook – the only helicopter which can float on water – and Russian Rosoboronexport’s Mi 26 are in the fray for the heavy lift role. The utility helicopter race for the Indian Army and IAF has the EADS Eurocopter and Russian Kamov in the race.

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the commercial bids of the two finalists in the race for 126-plus Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCAs) would be opened mid-June (possibly before the Paris Air Show beginning June 20),
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The Air Chief did not give any figures, but a rough calculation shows that IAF could be announcing deals worth $ 30 billion, or more, by the end of 2011.
The Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal, for which only the Eurofighter and Rafale remain in the fray, could touch or exceed $ 15 billion if the option for additional 63 aircraft is exercised in addition to the 126 units given in the tender. The three helicopters and the trainer aircraft, along with support and training packages, could be another $ five billion.

...However, it would still take a couple of months as it just won’t just be the price mentioned, but the package in terms of direct costs, support programmes, training, offsets and life cycle costs which would determine the winner. The race though is expected to be close.
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The Air Chief observed that admittedly, the US had the best of the combat radars, weapons and systems. But then, each of the six contenders had given in writing that they would match the IAF requirements, including those for systems to be sourced from the US.
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Air Chief Marshal disclosed that the last of the three Phalcon AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control Systems Aircraft) had arrived in India in March and deployed.
Two more AWACS mounted on IL 76 platforms had also been ordered.
The process to augment the electronic surveillance capability with aerostats – balloons with electronic surveillance radars – was continuing.
Now thats called an interview that clears the air Says nothing about network centric capabilities though.
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Are there any specs available for the Ilyushin IL-476, is it only an advanced variant of IL-76; also are there any plans for new aircraft of this role planned by Russian firms ?

Looks like IAF is going for the C-17s in a big way, is too many too soon I wonder, but i guess its a good buy in terms of capabilities, however IAF's trust on the An-32s is still strong considering that the C-130s have only been ordered for Spec Ops
IL-476 is rumored to have an increased fuel economy by up to 13% and load carrying capability of up to 65 tons.
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Here is a news report on the price hike for the last batch of 42 Mki's ordered
YouTube - ‪Russia hikes Sukhoi prices‬‏

If i recall correctly, those 42 were ordered from Russia and not to be license produced in India. The license production agreement was for 140 aircraft, later increased to 180. This order was over the existing order.

There are time limits (and restriction by numbers as in this case) for repeat orders under contracts, beyond which any order is treated as a fresh order and price has to be renegotiated.

180 Mki's ordered $40 mil a pop till 2007 is very cheap. $40 mil might not even get you a Gripen NG in 2011.

Besides, the devil is always in the detail. Who knows this might include some sort of a fee for integrating Indian weapons and ammunition on the whole flanker fleet, or some sort of an R&D fee for future upgrades.
Dont know if i have already posted here on the same, but the latest order for the Su-30 MKIs could also have additional features to enable them as strike aircraft capable of deploying Nuclear armament. The Strategic Forces Command, which is responsible for the nuclear weapons and its delivery had requested the MoD for 2 squadrons for this specific role. So the order size of 42 was for 2 attritions and 40 aircraft for the SFC
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Dont know if i have already posted here on the same, but the latest order for the Su-30 MKIs could also have additional features to enable them as strike aircraft capable of deploying Nuclear armament. The Strategic Forces Command, which is responsible for the nuclear weapons and its delivery had requested the MoD for 2 squadrons for this specific role. So the order size of 42 was for 2 attritions and 40 aircraft for the SFC
Is a correct assumption. They will replace the role being done by the 4 leased Tu-22M Backfire (not sure if these are still around) and partially by the Mirage-2000H
Sukhoi-30MKI is the longest ranged modern fighter-bomber in the arsenal and in combination with weapons like Brahmos or in future the Hypersonic missile / Nirbhay cruise missile is a potent for SFC role.
It will do this till FGFA join in numbers.
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...4 leased Tu-22M Backfire (not sure if these are still around) ...
No Tu-22s were ever operated by any branch of the Indian Armed Forces. There were rumours about them but nothing ever came of it.
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LCH TD-2 flies

another pic of lch td-2

A very gorgeous looking bird
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LCH TD-2 flies

another pic of lch td-2

A very gorgeous looking bird

WHOA

That was totally unexpected. Digital camo ? on an Indian HELICOPTER ? That's a new one lol. Even the Americans don't use that kind of camoflage on their gunships.

Still looks awesome, tbh...
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WHOA

That was totally unexpected. Digital camo ? on an Indian HELICOPTER ? That's a new one lol. Even the Americans don't use that kind of camoflage on their gunships.

Still looks awesome, tbh...
It will undergo further exhaust plume treatment in TD-3 0r TD-4 to reduce its signature against Manpads.
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WHOA

That was totally unexpected. Digital camo ? on an Indian HELICOPTER ? That's a new one lol. Even the Americans don't use that kind of camoflage on their gunships.

Still looks awesome, tbh...
Cant really look at the camo as a operational camo by the IAF or the IA, i doubt it would do justice to the environment an Attack Chopper would operate in to give it any kind of camouflage effect. It seems to me that it is purely a PR exercise by HAL to generate more interest in what could be champion product for overseas sales. Considering that already there are 200+ nos ordered by Indian Armed Forces.


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Some of the additional pics i saw later; could actually help in a Desert environment, maybe the shades and combinations would define usability better
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Cant really look at the camo as a operational camo by the IAF or the IA, i doubt it would do justice to the environment an Attack Chopper would operate in to give it any kind of camouflage effect. It seems to me that it is purely a PR exercise by HAL to generate more interest in what could be champion product for overseas sales. Considering that already there are 200+ nos ordered by Indian Armed Forces.


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Some of the additional pics i saw later; could actually help in a Desert environment, maybe the shades and combinations would define usability better
LCH should blend in perfectly against the bare mountains of Leh, Afghanistan and any other vegetation free arid mountainous area (the areas where it is designed to excel), but will stand out like a sore thumb in tropics. Lets hope that this isn't the only camo pattern available.
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LCH should blend in perfectly against the bare mountains of Leh, Afghanistan and any other vegetation free arid mountainous area (the areas where it is designed to excel), but will stand out like a sore thumb in tropics. Lets hope that this isn't the only camo pattern available.
Camo patterns depend on the user nation. The americans could paint it their own signature digital camo, or the standard NATO woodland camouflage. The Germans their own flecktarn etc.

The camouflage is a purely optional modification to a gunship like this, which will actually not be done by India, but by the armies that purchase the aircraft, and according to their own operational environments...
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