This is a discussion on Indian Air Force To Buy 126 Multi-Role Planes within the Air Force & Aviation forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by P.A.F
well from reading the report i think india are more interested in the mirages and not ...
The simple thing is
"THE GRAPES ARE SOUR"
nothing else when they were getting the F-16s they were the world's best planes which India is going to get when they are not getting then they say Mirage is good.
Go get the Grippens too. they are also the best isnat it P.A.F lol
well its not a matter of if they can't get em. its just that thay know the f-16 wouldn't fit into the airforce and be as effective as the other options.
it is not that india cannot get the f-16s ,the f-16's have been offered to india and india has 9 billion dollars to spend,if india wants it can buy them,but then that would be foolish to buy an aircraft that they are not familiar with and that their neighbours are familiar with,it would be the same for pakistanis if they went for the su-30's. it's not a qestion of inability but being wise and prudent with your money to think several times about which aircraft would serve the indian airforce the best(if it is the mirages then so be it,mirages are about as good as the f-16s,both have more or less similiar capabilities).
it is not that india cannot get the f-16s ,the f-16's have been offered to india and india has 9 billion dollars to spend,if india wants it can buy them,but then that would be foolish to buy an aircraft that they are not familiar with and that their neighbours are familiar with,it would be the same for pakistanis if they went for the su-30's. it's not a qestion of inability but being wise and prudent with your money to think several times about which aircraft would serve the indian airforce the best(if it is the mirages then so be it,mirages are about as good as the f-16s,both have more or less similiar capabilities).
Mirage would be less capable then a top of the Line F-16 since dassault would of invested further in the Rafael project rather then the mirage. the F-16 has constantly been developed. if a F-16 can beat a competitor such as Rafael in winning contracts (Case of UAE) where MOney is no object for the best capability is then i would indeed beg to differ!!
well adsh you have done it again,you have missed the meaning of my post again(this happened once before,if iam not mistaken),the main objet of my post is that india can easily afford to buy the f-16 if it wants to but it but the iaf finds the mirage2000's more suitable to india's needs than the f-16's,and mirage2000-5 is no capable of taking on f-16's,of course i dont know tha capability of f-16block60 but the mirage is also a highly upgradable platform and iam sure it can be brought up to the standards of the f-16b60. f-16 seems to be clearly cheaper interms of unit cost than the mirages but can the american's be truisted,when they could deny pakistan(their long term ally) for 15 years what is the guarantee that they wont do it again(to pakistan) particularly to india which has only recently entered the us good books,usa sold radars to india to counter china during the 1962 war but then refused to sell parts for them during the indo-pak war rendering them useless,they also refused to sell india the f-104 combat aircraft(sold to pakistan,forcing india to turn towards the russian mig21),they also prevented the british from selling india the litening fighter jet(all three were the candidates for the iaf order),after the pokhran tests of the 90's they prevented uk from selling spare parts for sea harriers and sea kings of indian navy,while france and russia supported india during that period,what concessions will usa seek to sell these fighters to india?and even pakistan should also be vary of usa <i would be very surprised if usa offers source codes for the f-16'S TO PAKISTAN,usa's double game can be seen from the fact that immediately after that they offered not only f-16's and f-18's to india.
(if it is the mirages then so be it,mirages are about as good as the f-16s,both have more or less similiar capabilities).
Apologies for this one!!
My little Speach was basically Focussed not towards India's procurement but About Your "feeling" which i think was put through as a Main Justifying Factor for IAF to procure a Platform not As Capable as the F-16. Logistical issues aside operators usually opt for Weapon systems on service Requirements that offer larger set of capability, but i can understand the point of vew which is Cost Vs Capability (defense never comes Cheap). unfortunately your last sentence invoked my response, i work sequentially, Backwards UP!! LOL
It's not about which plane is better, it depends on which suits the IAF more. Both F-16's and Mirage 2000's (and MiG 29's for that matter) have their advantages and disadvantages, now the question is whose attributes better suit the IAF's requirements for these 126 M-MRCA's.
Last edited by srirangan; April 3rd, 2005 at 06:23 AM.
Reason: Correcting typos, making it simpler.
Sri please trpy all this in simple english some people cant under stand that. I am only able to under the fst line but cant understand the second one
lol...thats as simple as it get..Even I dont knw how sri could put it in more easy words
anyways he means to say that its not the matter which fighter jet is good, what matters is which on of them is good for IAF. Su-30MKI is a great AirCraft (compared to F-16 or Mirage or F-18 ) but there must be some reasons behind why IAF is not buying them for MRCA roles & to replace large numbers of MiG-21.
I think u got confused on MKI. By MKI ppl mean Su-30.
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Last edited by SABRE; April 3rd, 2005 at 05:59 AM.
Number Procured: 50 MKI to be delivered by Russia and 140 to be produced by HAL Ozhar
Direct Deliveries from Russia
...............1st-8th Ac ,Su-30Ks (SB-001 to SB-00 inducted on 11 June 1997
...............19-28th Ac, first MKIs (SB-019 to SB-02 inducted on 27 Sept 2002
...............29-40th ac, all Su-30 MKIs, (SB-029 to SB-040) delivered in 2004
...............41-50th ac, Su-30 MKIs, expected January 2005
HAL Manufacture
...............1st Ac , a Su-30MKI (SB-102) formally handed over to IAF in 29th Nov 2004
I cant under stand why countries buy planes from other countries why dont they make their guys make B-2 and F-117 this will really improve your defence.
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they are also the best isnat it P.A.F lol
it's not a qestion of inability but being wise and prudent with your money to think several times about which aircraft would serve the indian airforce the best(if it is the mirages then so be it,mirages are about as good as the f-16s,both have more or less similiar capabilities).
inducted on 11 June 1997
