Go Back   Defense Technology & Military Forum > Global Defense & Military > Air Force & Aviation
Forgot Password? Join Us! Its's free!

Defense News
Land, Air & Naval Forces






Military Photos
Latest Military Pictures

-77689755705287080691.jpg

-7768975570528708069.jpg

Ural_Taifun_V-day_parade_Yekaterinburg.jpg

Kamaz_Taifun_at_trials.jpg
Defense Reports
Aerospace & Defence







Recent Photos - DefenceTalk Military Gallery





French Airforce -vs- Royal English Airforce

This is a discussion on French Airforce -vs- Royal English Airforce within the Air Force & Aviation forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; I wanted to make french go against Uncle Sam, but lets start from the same continent before moving on. French ...


View Poll Results: French Airforce -vs- Royal Airforce(uk) - who would win?
French airforce wins hands down 11 57.89%
Royal Airforce wins! 7 36.84%
They are equal! 1 5.26%
Other - write it up! 0 0%
Voters: 19. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old November 2nd, 2003   #1
Defense Enthusiast
Lieutenant
ullu's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 516
Threads:
French Airforce -vs- Royal English Airforce

I wanted to make french go against Uncle Sam, but lets start from the same continent before moving on.

French Airforce vs RAF(UK).

Who would win?

I say, French would win with their Rafales, jaguars and Mirages.

What does RAF have? Tornados?

Rafales:

The Rafale can carry payloads of over nine tons on 14 hardpoints for the Air Force version, and 13 for the naval version. The range of weapons includes Mica, Magic, Sidewinder, ASRAAM and AMRAAM air-to-air missiles; Apache, AS30L, ALARM, HARM, Maverick and PGM100 air-to-ground missiles; and Exocet/AM39, Penguin 3 and Harpoon anti-ship missiles. For a strategic mission, the Rafale can deliver the MBDA (formerly Aerospatiale) ASMP stand-off nuclear missile. Main weapons are expected to be the MBDA (formerly Matra BAe Dynamics) MICA air-to-air missile, MBDA Storm Shadow/Scalp EG stand-off cruise missile and the MBDA (Aerospatiale) AS 30 laser-guided missile.

Mirages:

Mirage 2000 has nine hardpoints for carrying weapon system payloads: five on the fuselage and two on each wing. The single-seat version is also armed with two internally mounted, high-firing-rate 30mm guns.

Air-to-air weapons include the MICA multi-target air-to-air intercept and combat missiles, and the Magic 2 combat missiles, both from MBDA (formed out of a merger between Matra BAe Dynamics, EADS Aerospatiale and Alenia Marconi Systems). The aircraft can carry four MICA missiles, two Magic missiles and three drop tanks simultaneously. The Mirage 2000-5 can fire the MBDA Super 530D missile or the MBDA Sky Flash air-to-air missile as an alternative to the MICA missile.

Mirage 2000 is also equipped to carry a range of air-to-surface missiles and weapons including laser-guided bombs. These include the MBDA BGL 1000 laser-guided bomb, MBDA AS30L, MBDA Armat anti-radar missile, MBDA AM39 Exocet anti-ship missile, MBDA rocket launchers, MBDA Apache stand-off weapon, and the stealthy cruise missile, SCALP. The Mirage 2000-9 aircraft ordered by the United Arab Emirates carries the Black Shahine missile being developed by MBDA. The MBDA Storm Shadow/Scalp EG stand-off cruise missile will arm French AF Mirage 2000D, Greek Mirage 2000-5 and UAE Mirage 2000-9 aircraft when it enters service in 2003.


Tornados:


The F3 Air Defence Variant (ADV) Tornado is armed with short-range and medium-range air-to-air missiles. A typical weapons payload would include four Sidewinder short-range missiles and four Skyflash medium-range missiles. Tornado F3 aircraft are the first to be fitted with the short-range MBDA ASRAAM air-to-air missile which entered service in January 2001 and was declared ready for operational deployment in Spetember 2002. 100 RAF F3 Tornadoes are being upgraded to carry AIM-20 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles, a Raytheon IFF 4810 SIFF (Successor Identification Friend or Foe) system and a Honeywell laser inertial navigation system. EADS selected I-Logix's Statemate MAGNUM as the systems engineering tool for RWE and the new computing facility. The upgrade programme is to be completed in 2003.

What do you think?
ullu is offline   Reply With Quote
Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Malaysian Army/Land forces discussions weasel1962 Army & Security Forces 821 1 Day Ago 01:09 PM
List of International commando elites The Watcher Military Strategy and Tactics 7 May 17th, 2010 06:49 PM
French Navy Replaces British Royal Navy As 1st West European Navy overlander Navy & Maritime 48 April 29th, 2006 04:40 PM
British SAS Expands Winter Army & Security Forces 29 January 29th, 2006 09:20 PM

Old November 2nd, 2003   #2
Defense Enthusiast
Captain
No Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 687
Threads:
Re: French Airforce -vs- Royal English Airforce

There are several factors to consider, possibly some of which we can ignore in the interests of a strictly airborne campaign. Unfortunately I am not familiar with the French OrBat....

- Permeneant USAF presence in the United Kingdom.
- Navy: - Both sides Fleet Air Arms.
- Related items, such as deployed vessels, e.g. The Royal Navy's fleet of Type 42 Air Defence Destroyers.
- Don't both countries have an integrated air defence? Possibly the UK does, under Strike Commmand...Including:
- As mentioned before, the Tornado F3 Air Defence aircraft.
- The United Kingdom has an AWACS squadron.
- The UK RAF Regiment, which still deploys Rapier SAM companies.

All in all, it would depend with who hit first and where. In my opinion, the current state of affairs as it is, a full reinforced strike with surprise could quite possibly cripple the opposite.
Winter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 3rd, 2003   #3
Forum Bouncer
Colonel
Red aRRow's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,409
Threads:
Re: French Airforce -vs- Royal English Airforce

Well if it's just a one on one between the air wings... w/o America jumping in and other possiblities..then I would have to go with the French, but by a very narrow margin.
Red aRRow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 3rd, 2003   #4
Defense Enthusiast
Lieutenant
ullu's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 516
Threads:
I know, US has habit budding in but I was talking about PURE RAF vs FAF with their own planes.
ullu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 22nd, 2003   #5
Defense Professional / Analyst
Lieutenant
No Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Islamabad
Posts: 643
Threads:
France Wins!!!! bring out the french wine and french fries and toast our succes due 2 our rafaels and mirages mostly!!!!
________________
Same bodies buried everywhere with different last names
Theres a right to obey and a right to kill

-Rage Against the Machine
corsair7772 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 22nd, 2003   #6
Defense Enthusiast
Chief Warrant Officer
No Avatar
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Pakistan
Posts: 433
Threads:
UK might win. Because US and other allies will be supporting UK. Also, we have seen the rude behaviour of US to France over the Iraq issue ...
________________
[b]PAKISTAN ZINDABAD -- PAKISTAN PAAINDABAD[/b]
Oqaab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 22nd, 2003   #7
Defense Professional / Analyst
Lieutenant
No Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Islamabad
Posts: 643
Threads:
Yea but wat if Germany and Russian side with France?
________________
Same bodies buried everywhere with different last names
Theres a right to obey and a right to kill

-Rage Against the Machine
corsair7772 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 22nd, 2003   #8
Defense Enthusiast
Captain
No Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 687
Threads:
Re: French Airforce -vs- Royal English Airforce

The German army is quite powerful with over 250,000 men though it suffers little in the way of power projection...There is also the the slight obstacle of The English Channel to think about....This leaves the Kriegsmarine and the Luftwaffe as the only forces to be brought against the UK, though both not quite as advantageous as the Bundeswehr in numbers...

The incapacitated Russian military would be strangled at the GIUK Gap and in the North Sea though the threat remains with their few operational long-range assets...
Winter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 22nd, 2003   #9
Defense Enthusiast
Lieutenant
ullu's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 516
Threads:
Thanks for the replies. This thread is about UK and french AIR FORCES no army and no other nation helping either british or french.
ullu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 22nd, 2003   #10
Defense Enthusiast
Captain
No Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 687
Threads:
Re: French Airforce -vs- Royal English Airforce

Well, both forces have an extensive strike capability, but neither nation has the non-nuclear power to destroy the other (MAD), especially in a head-to-head protracted war. So, as I said before, whoever strikes first could forever keep the other side handicapped, fighting on one leg, so to speak...
Winter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 7th, 2003   #11
Aussie Digger
Guest
No Avatar
Posts: n/a
Threads:
Re: French Airforce -vs- Royal English Airforce

I think it would be an absolute massacre with both sides completely devastated. The economic cost would be astronomical for both sides regardless of the result. I think with both sides being nuclear powers, if a side was being badly beaten, but for some reason was determined to fight on, then Western Europe would be in a lot of trouble... I'd say without claiming any particular expertise that the British would win eventually, particularly if we're talking some future scenario and the British had the Eurofighter and JSF operational. I REALLY don't think this will ever happen though, the cost would be too high to benefit from going to war, even if they "won".
  Reply With Quote
Old December 7th, 2003   #12
Defense Enthusiast
Corporal
Londo Molari's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 183
Threads:
Re: French Airforce -vs- Royal English Airforce

Right now, the French air force has the upper hand.

Once the Eurofighter is fully inducted into the RAF, then it would get interesting.
Londo Molari is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 9th, 2003   #13
Grumpy Old Man
General
gf0012-aust's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Australia
Posts: 12,282
Threads:
Re: French Airforce -vs- Royal English Airforce

The French haven't won a battle in absolute terms since 1870 - thats a fantastic track record compared to the Brits.

Chirac himself has said that Britain IS Europes military power. That in istelf should be a big enough clue.

France a close fight? Like WW1 and WW2 they would need within 40 days of any offensive commencing.

My money is on the Brits, you can rely on them, they have a persistent track record in force on force conflicts.

5000 armed french soldiers landing on the Ivory Coast is not a wonderful example of french capability - neither is Dien Bien Phu (even though 70% of the french troops were german, they were led by french officers who were using french tactics)
gf0012-aust is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 10th, 2003   #14
Defense Professional / Analyst
Captain
No Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Malaysia
Posts: 766
Threads:
I think the brits has a very impressive record when they beat back the germans in the battle of britain.
________________
Here's how you make a good soldiers. First you train them, then you trust them.
Awang se is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:19 PM.