This is a discussion on Flanker Export Thread within the Air Force & Aviation forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by Feanor
It be more like selling China a couple hundred F-15s to build more F-22s. And China ...
It be more like selling China a couple hundred F-15s to build more F-22s. And China doesn't get the tech. Just some access to it. Unless ToT is involved, China is getting a black box with the tech inside it.
How does China not get the tech?
They will have the Irbis and the AL-41
those 2 things are light years ahead of anything they got and will boost their radar and engine game
First of all. If and when China get the Irbis and 117S, they can't assimilate it on the floor.
It takes looong time. The radar tech is one thing, but the written algoritm codes(software) is another issue.
China has to understand it, be able to construct it etc etc..
And regarding the Engines..
See the Russian exported AL-31F and AL-31FN engines.. China can't produce a replica with the same quality and in the numbers needed for PLAAF.
They keep reqesting more engines, i'll doubt the last deal is their very last.
First of all. If and when China get the Irbis and 117S, they can't assimilate it on the floor.
It takes looong time. The radar tech is one thing, but the written algoritm codes(software) is another issue.
China has to understand it, be able to construct it etc etc..
And regarding the Engines..
See the Russian exported AL-31F and AL-31FN engines.. China can't produce a replica with the same quality and in the numbers needed for PLAAF.
They keep reqesting more engines, i'll doubt the last deal is their very last.
I would agree that the PLAAF is probably more interested in the thrust vectoring technology, having planned for it in the J-20, but the current prototypes were built without it.
Ofcourse it will continue, there's absolutely no connection between the SSJ-100 accident and the fighters. Even if it was a Su-27/30 which crashed against the Gunung Salak, it will continue. Jetfighter versus mountain...... the jetfighter will always loose....and not only Sukhoi fighters....
Ofcourse it will continue, there's absolutely no connection between the SSJ-100 accident and the fighters. Even if it was a Su-27/30 which crashed against the Gunung Salak, it will continue. Jetfighter versus mountain...... the jetfighter will always loose....and not only Sukhoi fighters....
Right now the problem with the final acquisitions of this 6 Flankers related to allocation of the budget. Of USD 1 bio credit line provided by Russia to Indonesia for acquisition of Russian made defense equipment, around USD 700 mio still exists. The Parliament wanted the Min-Def use that facility to finance this 6 Flankers. While Russian demand those Flankers being financed by commercial credit line.
The commercial credit line already allocated, the hurdle only in the Parliament that still demand on using State Facility credit line from Russia, and not Commercial Credit line. Russia did not want to give the rest of State Credit line for Flankers since they want the line being used for other stuff than Flankers.
But yes, the crash of Sukhoi Super-jet will not have anything to do with the Flankers deal. The two Airline that ordering Sukhoi 100 already indicated that they will continue with the deal, if the finding show non-significant technical problem on the Sukhoi Airliner.
Yep. Do the math, ~130 kits to India, ~60 Flankers to the VVS, and potential exports.
The recent order by India was for 42 A/cs not for 130. In total India is planning for 270 aircraft (2 ordered out of 42 are for attrition replacements).
Total ordered from Russian manufacturers would be for 130 (starting from the contract signed for 50 A/Cs in 1996) and license production of 140 from HAL
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The recent order by India was for 42 A/cs not for 130. In total India is planning for 270 aircraft (2 ordered out of 42 are for attrition replacements).
Total ordered from Russian manufacturers would be for 130 (starting from the contract signed for 50 A/Cs in 1996) and license production of 140 from HAL
Indian total orders are for 272 aircraft. Out of which, 130 have yet to be delivered.
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Apparently a deal for 24 Su-35S with China is in precontract negotiations right now. They must be desperate to get exports for the aircraft, if they're willing to risk Chinese exposure for such a small price.
Apparently a deal for 24 Su-35S with China is in precontract negotiations right now. They must be desperate to get exports for the aircraft, if they're willing to risk Chinese exposure for such a small price.
I know that you're not kidding, but really? If true, this would be a barn-burner for sure? AFB
