FC-1/JF-17 just copy of the Romania's IAR-95 design?

[myskykk]

Could you tell me any relation with JF-17 and detail ?
I just know IAR-95 R-29-300 engine above 122KN, weight 15200KG.......


http://bbsimages.military.china.com/1013/2006/4/29/9.gif

 

[suryaaa]

f-c1 usess russian design of single engine mig 29 ,i think so.

about your coment in strange they only resembles in looks.
for example f-16 & j-10 look alike.

 

[SABRE]

well from the artistic impression u have given, the aircrafts do seem to share quite a similarity. But the pic i got says some thing else.

But there is a big difference in wings section. JF-17 is delt and has more extended leading edges than IAR. Also nose section is very different. Doesnt seem like FC-1 is a copy of IAR.

 

[Burner]

Well, the two aircraft look similar, but this doesn't mean the FC-1 is a copy of the IAR-95. The IAR-95 never flew, as it never had an engine... well... it had a few engines, but only on paper, as no country wanted to give us (Romania) a fighter engine and we could not develope one in Romania.
The IAR-95 was supposed to be a bigger, more modern version of the F-4 Phantom, it had two engines, but as they couldn't get the F-4's Spey engine the brits were using on their F-4s, they redesigned it with the MiG-21 engine in mind, and thus it became a single engine fighter. They were several modifications, several versions of the IAR-95, but as they could not get an engine that would push the aircraft thru Mach 2.5, the project was droped in '88. This is the short story of the IAR-95.
Now, theFC-1 looks similar to the IAR-95, and the Chinese are known for copying designs in almost any field, but the Su-27 looks similar to the MiG-29, the Alpha Jet looks similar to the Hawk, the IAR-99 looks similar to the MiG-AT, the MB-339 and some other trainers... this are not copyes, they are similar answers to the same problems. To my eye, the J-10 looks like a cross-over of the F-16 and the Typhoon, but it's not a copy of either.
Could the Chinese have been inspired by the IAR-95? It's possible. Is the J-9/FC-1 a COPY of it, a replica? I do not think so.

 

[umair]

Looks like central Europe had it's share of aircraft that never left the drawing boards. The Yugoslav Novi Avion(which looked like a single engined Rafale) and the Romanian IAR-95.
But you guys did a decent job on the Orao though.

 

[aaaditya]

Could you tell me any relation with JF-17 and detail ?
I just know IAR-95 R-29-300 engine above 122KN, weight 15200KG.......


http://bbsimages.military.china.com/1013/2006/4/29/9.gif

i doubt it,i believe that the iar-95 was primarily intended for ground strike and hence had a relatively low speed (around m1.4 was max though iam not exactly sure wether it was iar 95 or iar 99).
wheras the jf17 is claimed to be a multi role fighter with a max speed of m1.8,the operational roles are completely different and the combat aircrafts are designed on the basis of their operational roles.

 

[blackboy11]

i doubt it,i believe that the iar-95 was primarily intended for ground strike and hence had a relatively low speed (around m1.4 was max though iam not exactly sure wether it was iar 95 or iar 99).
wheras the jf17 is claimed to be a multi role fighter with a max speed of m1.8,the operational roles are completely different and the combat aircrafts are designed on the basis of their operational roles.

well actually jf17 has a max speed of m1.6
lca has a max speed of m1.8

 

[umair]

1.8 mach for the redesigned JF-17.

 

[Burner]

Ok, I see some of you don't know much about the IARs (93, 95 and 99), so a few words about these aircraft from a Romanian would probabily help.
Dictator Nicolae Ceauşescu decided in 1968 to bring the Romanian aviation industry back to life, as it had almost stoped existing after WWII, and you've probabily heard of the IAR-80/81 which is considered on of the best fighters of WWII. To limit the dependency of the Socialist Republic of Romania's Air Force on foreign (mostly Soviet) aircraft and technology, Ceauşescu asked for the building of three aircraft types that would meet the curent AF needs at the time: a multirole subsonic fighter-bomber aircraft, a trainer with secondary light attack and fighter roles and a multirole supersonic fighter.
The first two aircraft were designed, built, tested and equiped the AF, but the third project never left the drawing board.

The resulting fighter-bomber was the IAR-93 Vultur (Eagle) or J-22 Orao in Yugoslavia is not supersonic as somebody here sugested! It's maximum speed is slightly more than 1000 km/h. It no longer flyies for RoAF, but I think the Serbs still use it.

The trainer and light attack aircraft is the IAR-99 Şoim, subsonic, of course and modernized by Aerostar and Elbit. It serves RoAF and will continue to do so for many years to come, as it is a modern advanced training aircraft that allows pilots to train for aircraft such as the MiG-21 Lancer, F-16, F/A-18, Gripen and so on. It also has a very advanced, low-cost, training system capable of simulating weapons, radar (the aircraft does not have a real radar) and threats.

IAR-95 Spey, the one that never left the drawing board did so because it had no engine capable of giving the aircraft the ability of flying at (at least) Mach 2.5. Wind tunnel tests showed that the aircraft would mearly reach Mach 2 (so, more than 1.4, aaaditya ), and so it was redesigned (see the IAR-101, IAR-S projects) and then stoped.
Now, I've did some research, and I've found out, the Romanians wanted to buy an engine for the 95 from China, and that they could have sold the aircraft's plans to them, after the project was haulted, but this is just speculation.

 

[Big-E]

It wouldn't suprise me if the PLA copied the aircraft then made some modification for their own needs. It's not like PLA scientist are known for original thinking but they do have an uncanny ability to adapt systems to suit their military. They do bear a striking resemblence so I wouldn't be suprised if they based their work on it, but I wouldn't say it was a copy.

 

[SABRE]

just a small question [that may be can clear things a little bit up]

Does IAR-95 Spey has some relation with Soviet MiG-33 program?

 

[Burner]

just a small question [that may be can clear things a little bit up]

Does IAR-95 Spey has some relation with Soviet MiG-33 program?

Of course there is no relation. You're just beeing ironic, but your example is bad, there is no connection between the two aircraft, but you must admit the IAR-95 and the FC-1 look similar.

 

[SABRE]

Of course there is no relation. You're just beeing ironic, but your example is bad, there is no connection between the two aircraft, but you must admit the IAR-95 and the FC-1 look similar.

I am not being ironic. FC-1/JF-17 shares some elements with MiG-33 program e.g. the engine and airframe. I dnt knw the relations between Romania and the former Soviet Union. If relations were good than may be there is some connection, if not than China has had some contacts with Romania on military basis. But i still wont say fc-1 is adaptation of IAR-95 Spay.

Compared to the pic provided in 2nd post, FC-1 does resembles in many areas but there is alot difference between both if u look at the above pic.