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Old August 2nd, 2013   #31
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That's an impression I got too, that under certain circumstances the ship was unable to launch Rafales at their MTOW.

One other point is that it was well published in the UK that the F35C was 'too heavy to land on the deck of the carrier'. If that means an F35C fully loaded was too heavy for the arrestor gear or the deck was just too weak wasn't specificed, just "too heavy".
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That's an impression I got too, that under certain circumstances the ship was unable to launch Rafales at their MTOW.

One other point is that it was well published in the UK that the F35C was 'too heavy to land on the deck of the carrier'. If that means an F35C fully loaded was too heavy for the arrestor gear or the deck was just too weak wasn't specificed, just "too heavy".
Or it could of been a fabrication to justify the switch back to the original design?
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Wouldn't be surprised, didn't hear much about it when they were touting how good the interoperability would be . . . .
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Well the point Abe made ages ago was the B, operating from a purpose designed carrier can generate a much higher sortie rate than the C from a CTOL carrier. If you are only talking limited number of airframes in service to start with then the one that can generate more sorties is the way to go. Or perhaps I have it back to front, you have a requirement to generate a minimum number of sorties and the B lets you do it with fewer airframes.
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One other point is that it was well published in the UK that the F35C was 'too heavy to land on the deck of the carrier'. If that means an F35C fully loaded was too heavy for the arrestor gear or the deck was just too weak wasn't specificed, just "too heavy".
The Phoenix Think Tank did make much of the supposed inability of the CVF to get C's into the air and back in "light airs" - ie, low wind - unfortunately their calculations were based on total fantasy. I don't think there was any serious issue to be answered there and it wasn't cited in the reasons for the decision to revert to B.
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Heh, you'd think that Sharkey being one of them that they'd be singing the C's praises, if his more recent crapping on the B is anything to go by.
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Heh, you'd think that Sharkey being one of them that they'd be singing the C's praises, if his more recent crapping on the B is anything to go by.
He was very much in the camp of "buy SuperHornet" at the time I believe. I seem to recall that they ran an article claiming that as the F35C was designed to work with nuclear carriers, which could all do 45 knots (apparently..) then clearly CVF wouldn't get the chuff up to launch or recover aircraft if it was a really calm day in hot humid weather.
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F-35B makes first landing at sea... at night.

Marine test pilot makes first F-35B night landing at sea > Headquarters Marine Corps > News Article Display

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Lt. Col. C.R. “Jimi” Clift makes the first F-35B Lightning II night landing on USS Wasp during the second at-sea F-35 developmental test event, Aug. 14. The F-35 Integrated Test Force is embarked on the Wasp for three weeks to expand the F-35B operational envelope in preparation for Marine Corps initial operational capability test in 2015. (Photo by MCSN Michael T. Forbes II, U.S. Navy) (Photo by MCSN Michael T. Forbes II)


During the 18-day long ship trials, two F-35Bs will conduct a series of tests to determine the aircraft’s suitability for sea-based operations. Pilots will expand the F-35Bs allowable wind envelope for launch and recovery, conduct first-ever night operations at sea, conduct initial mission systems evaluations at sea, evaluate the dynamic interface associated with aircraft operations on a moving flight deck, and further evaluate shipboard sustainment of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

At the conclusion of DT-II, the Navy and Marine Corps team should have sufficient data to support certification for future F-35B Lighting II shipboard operations in anticipation of 2015 deployment.
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Watch all the "IRST rulz" naysayers come out of the woodwork, now...

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Video with night landing and night takeoff.

Two F-35B Lightning II Jets Begin Developmental Testing II Aboard USS Wasp - YouTube

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F-35B Accomplishes First Night Vertical Landing Aboard USS WASP - YouTube

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More NightTime ops

F-35B Twilight Operations on the USS Wasp - YouTube
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For the British boys , the F-35 B has been doing test on the USS Wasp.

British Pilot & Maintainer Test F-35B on USS Wasp - YouTube

This program just keeps getting better.
A lot easier to fly than the harrier
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For the British boys , the F-35 B has been doing test on the USS Wasp.

British Pilot & Maintainer Test F-35B on USS Wasp - YouTube


This program just keeps getting better.
A lot easier to fly than the harrier
If you pause the clip at 0:35 seconds in, you can notice some very interesting visual effects being produced by the sunlight on the aircraft's paint.
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The USMC wastes little time exploring how to get the most utility from their new kit. The Osprey continues to surprise and confound it's detractors. The F-35B will be able to match the longer range and endurance of it's siblings. Maybe the Navy is swayed a bit more towards adopting Osprey for use on it's big deck carriers.


Bell-Boeing team tests Osprey's ability to refuel other aircraft - CombatAircraft.com

Bell-Boeing team tests Osprey's ability to refuel other aircraft

A series of tests in August and September has given aviation officials hope that the Osprey could be used to extend the range of other platforms, including helicopters and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter..

The first tests of the aerial refueling system under development by Bell and Boeing determined how turbulence from the Osprey’s rotors affect the hose and drogue that deliver fuel to other aircraft, as well as how rotary-wing and jet aircraft react in the Osprey’s rotor wash. A high-speed test for jet aircraft was conducted on Aug. 29 and a second, low-speed rotary-wing test on Sept. 23. Each type of aircraft requires a slightly different drogue, although it can be changed on the ground to meet the mission.

“The indications are that it’s really a steady drogue back there,” said Marine Brig. Gen. Matthew Glavy, assistant deputy commandant for Marine Corps aviation. “The Hornet pilots were really impressed with what they saw.”... The second test, with rotary-wing aircraft, also didn’t involve a fuel exchange. But it proved that the drogue is steady when the Osprey has its nacelles — the engine enclosures — at 60-degree angles, rather than in the horizontal airplane mode, said Chad Sparks, the V-22 advanced derivatives manager at Bell Boeing...

“So we have a 450-nautical-miles F-35, and if I have a capability to do tanking both en route to the objective and for recovery, I have just taken that distance and increased it significantly,” Glavy said.

The Osprey could carry as much as 12,000 extra pounds of fuel in up to three auxiliary fuel tanks that are already in use and standard for the Osprey, Sparks said.
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The USMC wastes little time exploring how to get the most utility from their new kit. The Osprey continues to surprise and confound it's detractors. The F-35B will be able to match the longer range and endurance of it's siblings. Maybe the Navy is swayed a bit more towards adopting Osprey for use on it's big deck carriers.


Bell-Boeing team tests Osprey's ability to refuel other aircraft - CombatAircraft.com

Bell-Boeing team tests Osprey's ability to refuel other aircraft

A series of tests in August and September has given aviation officials hope that the Osprey could be used to extend the range of other platforms, including helicopters and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter..

The first tests of the aerial refueling system under development by Bell and Boeing determined how turbulence from the Osprey’s rotors affect the hose and drogue that deliver fuel to other aircraft, as well as how rotary-wing and jet aircraft react in the Osprey’s rotor wash. A high-speed test for jet aircraft was conducted on Aug. 29 and a second, low-speed rotary-wing test on Sept. 23. Each type of aircraft requires a slightly different drogue, although it can be changed on the ground to meet the mission.

“The indications are that it’s really a steady drogue back there,” said Marine Brig. Gen. Matthew Glavy, assistant deputy commandant for Marine Corps aviation. “The Hornet pilots were really impressed with what they saw.”... The second test, with rotary-wing aircraft, also didn’t involve a fuel exchange. But it proved that the drogue is steady when the Osprey has its nacelles — the engine enclosures — at 60-degree angles, rather than in the horizontal airplane mode, said Chad Sparks, the V-22 advanced derivatives manager at Bell Boeing...

“So we have a 450-nautical-miles F-35, and if I have a capability to do tanking both en route to the objective and for recovery, I have just taken that distance and increased it significantly,” Glavy said.

The Osprey could carry as much as 12,000 extra pounds of fuel in up to three auxiliary fuel tanks that are already in use and standard for the Osprey, Sparks said.
Outstanding news Colay, Flight Global did report that two cracks were found on the F-35B, ground test article in 1 of the 4 wing carrythrough bulkheads, these are minor, and not unexpected as the ground test article has the equivalent of 9400 flight hours. The B model has lighter aluminum bulkheads, while the A and the C retained the Titanium bulkheads. This reported by Dave Mujamdar, 11 October 2013. This will NOT affect the flight test regimen, and the fix should be relatively simple on aircraft under construction.
The USN will reactivate VMF 101 the GrimReapers to be their first F-35C squadron.
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