This is a discussion on F-35 Multirole Joint Strike Fighter within the Air Force & Aviation forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; The F-35A has demonstrated 9.9G instaneous turns. It has been taken to greater than 70 degrees angle of attack, has ...
The F-35A has demonstrated 9.9G instaneous turns. It has been taken to greater than 70 degrees angle of attack, has demonstrated Mach 1.6 and "supercruise" at Mach 1.2 (or rather the ability to fly at Mach 1.2 using military power - dry thrust only.)
So given these are verifiable FACTS, let's just drop the idea once and for all that the F-35 is "slow" or that it isn't "agile" shall we?
No fighter that can manage those things is "slow" or not very "agile". There might be other fighters out there faster or more agile, but these things come with such a huge range of assumptions it's pointless continually going over them.
The F-35 is a multi-role fighter in every sense of the word. The ONLY thing any F-16 variant will do better than an F-35 is carry a second person. That's what 35 years of development between the two aircraft gives you.
The F-35A has demonstrated 9.9G instaneous turns. It has been taken to greater than 70 degrees angle of attack, has demonstrated Mach 1.6 and "supercruise" at Mach 1.2 (or rather the ability to fly at Mach 1.2 using military power - dry thrust only.)
So given these are verifiable FACTS, let's just drop the idea once and for all that the F-35 is "slow" or that it isn't "agile" shall we?
No fighter that can manage those things is "slow" or not very "agile". There might be other fighters out there faster or more agile, but these things come with such a huge range of assumptions it's pointless continually going over them.
The F-35 is a multi-role fighter in every sense of the word. The ONLY thing any F-16 variant will do better than an F-35 is carry a second person. That's what 35 years of development between the two aircraft gives you.
The end.
Alright thats exactly what i wanted to know, thanks for that.
Another question, given the Dutch defense network, will the F35 be able to "connect" and operate within the NLD network centric as well being integrated into Nato/EU networks, as this was a real issue back then with F16, Eurofighter and Rafale and other EU variants.
Because during missions and training events it was time and time proven again that some nations could not fully integrate into the supporting networks and utilizing the assets connected to it?
Now from what i understand the F35 is almost a flying server, but will it be able to connect to any network if there is a need for it or will it require additional packages and modifications to enable this?
Better yet, will the F-35 have the ability to act as a server if the need arises? Like, using an F-35 to do a strike coordinator role better assets are unavailable? I think I read a couple of years ago that an F-22 was used as an AWAC replacement for a while until another AWAC could arrive at the scene. That's impressive computing power.
The F-35 can provide data to outside networks via MADL, Link-16, or SatCom. How those networks use the data is up to them.
Cockpit demonstrations of the F-35 have shown the ability for one F-35 to assign targets to other F-35s. I don't see why this cannot be extended to non F-35 assets.
Better yet, will the F-35 have the ability to act as a server if the need arises? Like, using an F-35 to do a strike coordinator role better assets are unavailable? I think I read a couple of years ago that an F-22 was used as an AWAC replacement for a while until another AWAC could arrive at the scene. That's impressive computing power.
I'd avoid the analogy of seeing it as a server, Its more an issue of an asset (not just JSF) as being an additional element in an array of distributed nodes, some of which can be load levelers
some of those nodes can take on more "directive" roles/ Its a systems distribution and capability issue.
the design construct of being a "server" invites issues of single points of failure etc.... the whole intent of an array is to reduce points of failure. nodes are parts of the array construct
________________ A corollary of Finagle's Law, similar to Occam's Razor, says:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"
The F-35 can provide data to outside networks via MADL, Link-16, or SatCom. How those networks use the data is up to them.
Cockpit demonstrations of the F-35 have shown the ability for one F-35 to assign targets to other F-35s. I don't see why this cannot be extended to non F-35 assets.
that is the intent, the JSF can act as another service feeder to other assets and platforms in the grid
________________ A corollary of Finagle's Law, similar to Occam's Razor, says:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"
4corners will be interesting this week by the look at the quotes from the promo. Judging by the quality, It sounds like clown club may get to have their say again too REACH FOR THE SKY - Four Corners
________________
Air Vice-Marshal Osley, 2012 : Air Power Australia made several errors of fact and misrepresentations about F-35 capability..their analysis is basically flawed through incorrect assumptions and lack of knowledge..
4corners will be interesting this week by the look at the quotes from the promo. Judging by the quality, It sounds like clown club may get to have their say again too REACH FOR THE SKY - Four Corners
Oh joy, and it sounds as if the Dutch are riding the fence on their future acquisitions, on a high note the JPO has issued a return to flight clearance for the F-35B models, following the replacement of any fueldraulic lines that are out of spec as of 2/12/13, and the A model has been cleared of wing flutter with weapons bays open or closed up to Mach 1.6 or 700kts, both positive developements going forward. I just pray that BHO and our own clown club do something before sequestration kicks in, what a stinkin mess, talk about political malpractice, they've already killed one great airplane, some of them would love to do in her little sister as well. I was just reading USAFs Chief of Staff Gen Mark Welchs assessment in the Air Force Magazine Daily Report, it is not good, in fact it makes me so angry I could SPIT! sorry Brat?
4corners will be interesting this week by the look at the quotes from the promo. Judging by the quality, It sounds like clown club may get to have their say again too REACH FOR THE SKY - Four Corners
Just saw a clip on the ABC news.
Pierre Sprey was riding it off ,all they said was ,its behind schedule,cost blow out of 50% and wont be in operation till 2020. Sounds like the F-111 to me when it was being developed and we all know the whoo ha what happened when we retired that platform.
Just presstitution doing what they do best.
It wouldn't be a show without wheeling out Pierre Sprey, I haven't seen the tv promo yet and was going by the quotes in the article promo.
________________
Air Vice-Marshal Osley, 2012 : Air Power Australia made several errors of fact and misrepresentations about F-35 capability..their analysis is basically flawed through incorrect assumptions and lack of knowledge..
Tabloid TV at its best, they put it on the show and problem is the general public not knowing any better believe it. Kerry and the ABC never miss a chance to have a dig at the Government, no matter who it is.
I just reminded myself why I don't watch the show
Cheers
Last edited by aussienscale; February 15th, 2013 at 11:35 PM.
Reason: typo
Tabloid TV at its best, they put it on the show and problem is the general public not knowing any better believe it. Kerry and the ABC never miss a chance to have a dig at the Government, no matter who it is.
I just reminded myself why I don't watch the show
Cheers
Yes, I really can't stand to be lectured by BHO, and our little Benghazi fiasco puts it all in perspective, freedom and fighting for it mustn't be left in the hands of those who place no value on either, nor those who give their lives to the service of the same, sad sad days. On a high note 4 F-35As will be flown to Nellis AFB, by the end of the month to the 422nd T&E Squadron based at the home of Red Flag, to grow to a fleet of 12 as developemental testing gives way to operational and tactical testing and integration of the F-35 into the force. The Fighter Weapons School will also receive 24 A models, so we will soon be seeing the first of these operational tests and bringing the A models up to speed, and we will begin to see what our little ThunderHogge will do in the real world, so 36 A models for Nellis, this acording to the AF Mags Daily Report of 2/15/13. Cheers Brat
This will enhance the synergy between 5Gen and 4Gen assets. The F-22 has demonstrated it's potential as flying quarterback to older jets, coordinating the action over encrypted voice link, which allowed the possibility of the former being tracked. The new gateway capability should mitigate that risk while raising the level of interoperability between platforms.
USAF seeks information on connecting 4th and 5th gen fighters
By: DAVE MAJUMDAR WASHINGTON DC
Source:
The US Air Force is seeking information on a "communications gateway" that would one day be able to digitally link fourth and fifth-generation fighters inside a highly contested threat environment.
"This RFI [request for information] seeks information concerning the availability of a system at a Technology Readiness Level (TRL) of 6 or above that allows 5th Generation fighters to digitally connect to and exchange data with 4th Generation fighters and other platforms when operating in highly contested regions," reads a USAF document.
The USAF hopes to eventually procure a system that would "improve battlespace awareness through sensor target data sharing in order to attain a real-time Common Tactical Picture/Common Operational Picture (CTP/COP)," the RFI reads. The data-link would also increase the survivability of friendly aircraft by improving mutual support and reducing fratricide incidents. It would also "increase targeting efficiency through the exchange of engagement status information to diminish redundant weapons expenditure," the document reads. It should also make the combination of fourth and fifth-generation fighters more "lethal" in combat.
The USAF wants the system to be installed on an existing Link 16 platform that can be used from close enough distances to highly contested airspace to connect with Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptors via the Intra-Flight Data Link (IFDL) and eventually Lockheed F-35s via the Multifunctional Advanced Data Link (MADL). Because the new "communications gateway" will be operating with fifth-generation fighters, it will need to be equipped with multi-level security features, the RFI reads.
The RFI comes as the USAF Scientific Advisory Board is investigating how to maintain secure communications while operating against an anti-access/area denial threat environment.
4corners will be interesting this week by the look at the quotes from the promo. Judging by the quality, It sounds like clown club may get to have their say again too
*LINK REMOVED*
I must admit when I watch stories like this just a little part of me wants my local RAAF to go down the mixed fleet path of putting a few more eggs in the Super Hornet Basket before throwing everything into the F-35 direction. Not saying I hope they withdraw from the program but to shift 24 units of F-35's across to 24 additional Super Hornets for insurance (against a multitude of risks, delays, mass groundings etc) starts to garner weight in my opinion. Maybe I'm just a sucker for media propaganda...
I must admit when I watch stories like this just a little part of me wants my local RAAF to go down the mixed fleet path of putting a few more eggs in the Super Hornet Basket before throwing everything into the F-35 direction. Not saying I hope they withdraw from the program but to shift 24 units of F-35's across to 24 additional Super Hornets for insurance (against a multitude of risks, delays, mass groundings etc) starts to garner weight in my opinion. Maybe I'm just a sucker for media propaganda...
And where would you put those 24 Super Hornets? In place of existing Hornet Squadrons? A RAAF fighter Squadron typically has 18 aircraft on strength. I suppose you could give the 6 remaining aircraft to 6 Squadron and maybe bring it up to OCU strength, but that would give us a rather unbalanced force given we'd still have to maintain an Operational Conversion Unit for the Hornet pilots.
Somewhere along the line, one of the Hornet squadrons is also going to have to stand-down and allocate staff and resources to converting to F-35 as well. Does introducing another 24 new aircraft into RAAF only a few years before we are planning on converting our whole fighter force to F-35, introduce any additional hardships to RAAF?
Funnily enough, media reporting rarely addresses any such real issue...
