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Eurofighter Typhoon Discussion Thread

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Old October 21st, 2007   #1
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Eurofighter Typhoon Discussion Thread

Please use this as a thread for general discussion on the Typhoon. There are so many different threads out there covering topics - let's centralise the discussion. Could a moderator please sticky this? It's a popular topic so it would be good if people could find the thread easily.

I'll kick off the discussion with a news article already posted on another thread.

Japan may buy Eurofighter, defence minister says

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Japan is considering buying Eurofighter Typhoons to replace part of its ageing air force fleet, Defence Minister Shigeru Ishiba said in an interview on Wednesday.

Tokyo had shown interest in buying the Lockheed-Martin F-22 Raptor, which boasts stealth capabilities far superior to those of any other aircraft available, but the U.S. government is reluctant to allow the technology to be exported, even to a close ally such as Japan.

"The F-22 is an exceptional aircraft," Ishiba said. "But we at the Defence Ministry have not decided that it is absolutely necessary for Japan."

Ishiba said the strongest alternative among planes manufactured by other countries was the Eurofighter. "The French Rafale is difficult to use. We certainly wouldn't choose a Russian fighter plane. So I think it would be the Eurofighter Typhoon," he said.
This is certainly a huge boost for Typhoon's further export order chances. I think that bar the Americans doing a speedy U-turn and make the F-22 available (near impossible given the need to remove congressional controls) this puts Typhoon in pole position.
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@Musashi,
to answer your question from the other thread. I have some publications which speak about the responsibilities. Additionally I'm closely follow Eurofighter's marketing efforts. In 2001 EADS insisted a take part in the Czech republic competition for 24-36 new fighters, but eventually refused the bid due unusual requests from the Czech such as prices in czech crones and offers & documentation in czech. We know that the original plans changed after the high water problems in summer 2002.
I don't know why this or that country is an assigned responsiblity for this or that partner, but I assume it has to do with traditional ties.
Bulgaria is not that likely yes, but an RFI was issued to Eurofighter.
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I just have a couple of questions about that bad ass typhoon of yours!

Do you guys see any real problems occuring with Trache 3, and are there plans for tranche 1+2 tiffies to undergoe a trance upgrade programe to T3 standard??? If so do you see any problems as far as availability of a huge chunck of the RAF's orbat undergoring extensive upgrades?

Is there any chance of 2D/3D TVC being incorperated in Tranche 3??? I heard some rumers but i cant find anything concrete. Is it worth the weight/thrust/maintinance penalty, considering the impersive agility the platform allready has???

Are you exited about the next red flag? How do you think she will go???
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Do you guys see any real problems occuring with Trache 3, and are there plans for tranche 1+2 tiffies to undergoe a trance upgrade programe to T3 standard??? If so do you see any problems as far as availability of a huge chunck of the RAF's orbat undergoring extensive upgrades?
Discussions about the numbers are underway for years, already in 2002 the UK insisted to reduce the numbers. Until now nothing has changed. True is that especially Italy and the UK have some funding problems in the future with other ongoing projects such as new carriers, F-35 etc.. The contracts leave little room for reductions, as long as not all partners agree and Germany and Spain have no interest in reducing their commitment. It looks more like Tranche 3 examples won't differ that much from Tranche 3 to save costs in the short term, while upgrades could be realised at a later time.
Tranche 1 examples will all be brought up to block 5 standard, but it is unknown if they will be converted to a higher standard at a later time. The Luftwaffe for example has currently no interest in bringing up its Tranche 1 aircraft to Tranche 2 or 3. Therefore it remains uncertain how this situation will develope.

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Is there any chance of 2D/3D TVC being incorperated in Tranche 3??? I heard some rumers but i cant find anything concrete. Is it worth the weight/thrust/maintinance penalty, considering the impersive agility the platform allready has???
A 3-D TVN was developed by MTU & ITP back in the 90's. The nozzle was ground tested on an EJ200 and had impressive characteristics (sweep angle 23.5/s, speed 110/s). Since then 3-D TVC is offered as a possible option by the industry, but the customers see no need/have no requirement. I think it's very unlikely to see TVC being fitted to the Typhoon anytime soon. Maybe an export customer might require it, but I don't think the original customers do so. As you said the benefits would be limited and probably not worth the effort for the offsets.

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Are you exited about the next red flag? How do you think she will go???
I fear we won't get much info about that. BTW when is it supposed to run?
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Some news
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Eurofighter Launches Offer for Multi-Role Planes in Romania


(Source: Xinhua News Agency; issued Oct. 22, 2007)



The Eurofighter consortium is ready to deliver 24 Typhoon aircraft to the Romanian Air Force in the 2010-2014 period, the program director for Romania Giuseppe Paoletti said on Friday at a press conference organized within the EXPOMIL 2007 show in Bucharest.

Moreover, the consortium is willing to provide the first operational squadron of Typhoon warplanes in 2010.

The Eurofighter official underscored that Finnmecanica of Italy was interested in buying the local Craiova-based Aircraft Factory, which may offer technical support and maintenance for the Typhoon warplane.

Giuseppe Paoletti hinted that if the program in Romania unfolded well, the plane might be assembled in the country. He added the firm might bring also other subcontractors for the offset contract that is usually signed in such cases.

According to Paoletti, the purchase price is comparable to the one of the twin-engined warplanes, but the maintenance costs are much lower than those for other models.

"These are not cheap aircraft, but a Typhoon warplane can carry out missions that, in the case of other aircraft models, require several aircraft," explained the representative of the Eurofighter consortium.

The Eurofighter consortium presented at EXPOMIL its offer for replacing the MiG-21 LanceR fighter jets of the Romanian Air Force. According to the representatives of the consortium, Typhoon is the most important high-technology program in Europe and the main European collaboration program in defense, involving over 120,000 people.
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I doubt that Japan will buy the typhoon, most likely the F-35 or F-15E or the F/A-18 E/F.
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I doubt that Japan will buy the typhoon, most likely the F-35 or F-15E or the F/A-18 E/F.
Then I'm not sure you know much about the JASDF's needs. The F-35 would arrive far too late to replace the F-4s - that deadline is non-negotiable. I don't think the Super Hornet is what Japan wants either.

The only real American option is a Strike Eagle variant - even then there are concerns whether that will cut the mustard in the future against the PLAAF. I think the Japanese defence minister's comments shows that they are taking the Typhoon very seriously - certainly that's what I've heard from defence correspondents.
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Then I'm not sure you know much about the JASDF's needs. The F-35 would arrive far too late to replace the F-4s - that deadline is non-negotiable. I don't think the Super Hornet is what Japan wants either.

The only real American option is a Strike Eagle variant - even then there are concerns whether that will cut the mustard in the future against the PLAAF. I think the Japanese defence minister's comments shows that they are taking the Typhoon very seriously - certainly that's what I've heard from defence correspondents.
Sertainly soudns like it would be most suitable replacement of the F4. The cruise missile threat is a serious consideration for JSDF, thats one reason why they wanted F22 so badly. F15E does enjoy range and payload benifits, but F15J enjoys those anyway. The japanese want A2A capbablility above all else, and Typhoon looks like the most capable platform that fulfills their criteria. A 2 tiered force of EF2000 & F35 looks like the most likely outcome, it should be a very capable force structure. The only other real ulternative is advanced F15E variants, al la F15SG. However they would get APG 63(v) 3 stock with new F15J+, something thats a BIG advantage over Typhoon. Annother issue will be that they will want to maunfacture the platform under liscence, will the consortium be cool with that???
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Annother issue will be that they will want to maunfacture the platform under liscence, will the consortium be cool with that???
48 of Saudi's Typhoons will be manufactured in Saudi via Warton-supllied kit.

Given that, and as important as a Japanese order would be to Eurofighter GmbH, I can't see any reasons to object to license production, technology transfer or the possible integration of Japanese-sourced avionics into their platforms.
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Annother issue will be that they will want to maunfacture the platform under liscence, will the consortium be cool with that???
Yes, they've already said they'd do that. They've even suggested making a customised model to suit Japan's needs better.
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Yes, they've already said they'd do that. They've even suggested making a customised model to suit Japan's needs better.
Aahh, EF2KJ????? I wonder what we would be looking at? CFT's? Japanese weapons? New Radar? It will (would) be very interesting to see what kint of final configuration they will order.
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Eurofighter for Switzerland?

BAE has today announced that Eurofighter is being officially tendered for the Swiss Air Force's New Fighter Aircraft (NFA) programme.

EADS Germany will lead the consortium's bid and economic offset programme.
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So, the new candidate are Switzerland, Japan and Romania?

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Don't forget about Turkey, Norway, Denmark, Bulgaria and India. Though the chances are different for the aircraft.
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I doubt that Japan will buy the typhoon, most likely the F-35 or F-15E or the F/A-18 E/F.
For the tenth (at least!) time -

F-35 is a candidate for future purchases, but not this one. It cannot be delivered in time. The aircraft which now need replacing cannot be kept in service until F-35 can be delivered. The JASDF will do all in its power to avoid having its front-line strength cut by one-third while it waits for F-35.

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