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Old September 7th, 2015   #31
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For the current president & her husband who preceded her, the armed forces have long been seen as enemies (with good reason, in the past), so there's been no interest in funding them. But there are voters who want to believe the rhetoric of defending the country, 'recovering Las Malvinas', etc., so some pretence is useful to keep some of them (those who don't look too closely) on side.

Refitting a submarine in a domestic yard buys votes of shipyard & industrial workers - & industrial workers are traditional supporters of the current governing party. Ditto funding participation in the KC-390 programme. But they don't expect any military professionals to vote for them, so see no advantage in paying for anything more than a bit of theatre.
I totaly agree With this asessment.
The current sosial democratic goverment has no real interest in shifting funding(increase) funding to the armed Forces.

And afaik, their military is reduced in such manner over many years, that their military has simply no tools left to pose as an domestic self interest Group.
There is no military Junta left, so any notions of a coup, is far from reality, as i see some of the posters here speculate in.

Anyway, this is ofcourse the best outcome regardless of different point of view.
Argentina doesn't have any sore neighbor that rattle their Cages eighter.
And the Whole region is a low tension teather.
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The latest installment of the Argentine fighter replacement dramas. It is being reported that Argentina is to sign for 14 Kfir from Israel Aircraft Industries today. The aircraft are fitted with AESA radar from Elta. If this deal goes through it will not cause the Brits to shake in their boots.
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The latest installment of the Argentine fighter replacement dramas. It is being reported that Argentina is to sign for 14 Kfir from Israel Aircraft Industries today. The aircraft are fitted with AESA radar from Elta. If this deal goes through it will not cause the Brits to shake in their boots.
Interesting choice given the Colombians reportedly weren't quite so enthusiastic about their Block 60 KFirs after their first taste of Red Flag and were looking to see if they could afford to replace them with Block 52, F-16's...
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Let's hold off til they actually get some jets because this is the latest in a long line of "Argentina will get.." reports. Always seems to fall through when they actually have to show up with cash.
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Interesting choice given the Colombians reportedly weren't quite so enthusiastic about their Block 60 KFirs after their first taste of Red Flag and were looking to see if they could afford to replace them with Block 52, F-16's...
Colombia's Kfirs are not Block 60. Colombia has been reported to be looking at a replacement because of a very high loss rate in the last few years, leading to a lack of trust in the aircraft - but allow for such things as one aircraft being lost when an Israeli company pilot missed the runway (doh! - IAI replaced the aircraft), & the crash rate improves.
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According to a 2014 Janes story, 18 Block 60 Kfir for Argentina were in the region of US$500 million which is a pretty good investment when you think about it. This defense-update article covers the Block 60 capabilities. I note that it has Link 16 capabilities. A further article from National Interest describes the IAI experience with aircraft upgrades and modifications.
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The Argentine Ministry of Defence, through the Oficina Nacional de Contrataciones (that acquires assets for the government), on 1 February issued a high priority request for engine replacements and additional resources to overhaul its Lockheed Martin A-4AR Skyhawk (Fightinghawk) fighters.
source: janes.com/article/57797/argentina-seeks-to-renovate-a-4ar-fleet-with-new-engines

Little (for what Argentina actually needs), but makes sense... At least if one takes into account that there are currently zero air-combat platforms available in that country. From what I can remember, Mirage III/Finger platform was retired and A-4AR's are mostly/entirely grounded due to lack of funding for even basic maintenance (ejection seat rockets where past expiration date).
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source: janes.com/article/57797/argentina-seeks-to-renovate-a-4ar-fleet-with-new-engines

Little (for what Argentina actually needs), but makes sense... At least if one takes into account that there are currently zero air-combat platforms available in that country. From what I can remember, Mirage III/Finger platform was retired and A-4AR's are mostly/entirely grounded due to lack of funding for even basic maintenance (ejection seat rockets where past expiration date).
Yup, they need a severe cash injection to recover. Their sovereign airspace is left to Tucanos and Pampas. . . .
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In another turn in the Argentinian Air Force fiasco, despite signing a contract with Israel for a number of Kfir's by the last Government (who kindly left the detail about paying for them to the current Government), the Argentinian DefMin is to negotiate with the US for a purchase of 12 - 14 F-5E and a number of T-34C trainers

This is currently on the Jane's homepage, can't post links right now.

Just goes to show that plans to properly reinstate fighter capability are some ways off, however overall i'm actually quite impressed at the drive the current Government has done in terms of defence. They're negotiating for 3 more A69 corvettes for France to expand their inventory of the type to 6.
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In another turn in the Argentinian Air Force fiasco, despite signing a contract with Israel for a number of Kfir's by the last Government (who kindly left the detail about paying for them to the current Government), the Argentinian DefMin is to negotiate with the US for a purchase of 12 - 14 F-5E and a number of T-34C trainers

This is currently on the Jane's homepage, can't post links right now.

Just goes to show that plans to properly reinstate fighter capability are some ways off, however overall i'm actually quite impressed at the drive the current Government has done in terms of defence. They're negotiating for 3 more A69 corvettes for France to expand their inventory of the type to 6.
You can post links after 10 posts. Do you have a current source for the F5E claim? The only item I can find is a 2005 Key Publisling comment. I do not believe that the US would sell Argentina fast jets of any description because it is not in their interest to do so. The UK would strongly lobby against such a proposal with some success. Secondly how are the Argentines going to pay for the aircraft even if they were able to acquire them?
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You can post links after 10 posts. Do you have a current source for the F5E claim? The only item I can find is a 2005 Key Publisling comment. I do not believe that the US would sell Argentina fast jets of any description because it is not in their interest to do so. The UK would strongly lobby against such a proposal with some success. Secondly how are the Argentines going to pay for the aircraft even if they were able to acquire them?
As he said, the piece is on the Janes homepage at the moment : Argentina interested in F-5s as a stop-gap fighter | IHS Jane's 360

Not necessarily a silly choice given Brazil uses them, and has experience upgrading them to much more modern standards including targeting pods and BVR missiles.
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You can post links after 10 posts. Do you have a current source for the F5E claim? The only item I can find is a 2005 Key Publisling comment. I do not believe that the US would sell Argentina fast jets of any description because it is not in their interest to do so. The UK would strongly lobby against such a proposal with some success. Secondly how are the Argentines going to pay for the aircraft even if they were able to acquire them?
F-5 is an interesting choice, two Malaysian F-5 engines went missing and were believe to have ended up in Argentina.

Of course the fact that the US still uses the planes is another issue.

Brazil might get rid of some of its planes. Not sure how successful the upgrade was.

Brazil to receive fewer modernised F-5 fighters | IHS Jane's 360
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As he said, the piece is on the Janes homepage at the moment : Argentina interested in F-5s as a stop-gap fighter | IHS Jane's 360

Not necessarily a silly choice given Brazil uses them, and has experience upgrading them to much more modern standards including targeting pods and BVR missiles.
Thanks for that. It did not come up in my Mr googling so I am happy to stand corrected. Still the Poms won't be impressed and the problem of paying for the aircraft has to be met.
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F-5 is an interesting choice, two Malaysian F-5 engines went missing and were believe to have ended up in Argentina.

Of course the fact that the US still uses the planes is another issue.

Brazil might get rid of some of its planes. Not sure how successful the upgrade was.

Brazil to receive fewer modernised F-5 fighters | IHS Jane's 360
Do you mean the T-38 trainer version? Or are you talking about the F-5's in US service for DACT purposes? AFAIK the US only used F-5's in a combat role during Vietnam. After Vietnam, US F-5's served in various training roles.
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You can post links after 10 posts. Do you have a current source for the F5E claim? The only item I can find is a 2005 Key Publisling comment.
Source has kindly been posted by another member.

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I do not believe that the US would sell Argentina fast jets of any description because it is not in their interest to do so. The UK would strongly lobby against such a proposal with some success.
Most probably, the UK seems to have been fairly successful in seeing off numerous expeditions for fighters.

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Secondly how are the Argentines going to pay for the aircraft even if they were able to acquire them?
Funding is more of a question of political will, the previous administration did not care for the military hence no funding to keep things going. It would appear, however, that the new administration sees things differently.

Not to mention a different political agenda than CFK, their new Foreign Minister has said bilateral trade and investment is of greater importance between the UK and Argentina than the Falklands are.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/37bcf3a8-1...#axzz48tPn8CYe
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